FAKE tiny-code/kellytm post about being "on iTunes" and deving for 1.1.4 SDK: FAKE

[SFC Archer]

This is a little off topic, but its not legit.... not that i agree with the law, or the RIAA, but its a different license to use the music as a ringtone...

Sorry to disagree with you, until I am not able to do it...then I can make all the ringtones/sounds I desire and I do NOT have to pay for something I make. This has been allowed for two updates so far, where as previous to that all attempts to create your own were blocked with the next patch. Even your own Mac Garageband was updated to allow this...so unless your an attorney working for the RIAA...I could care less what you "think" we need.

 

[GQB]

Were were you the other day when this idea needed support......

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/4960043/

https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4960522#post4960522

Installer.app software has been free only because there was no market or method to sell it. I don't share the crocodile tears over the impending demise of the free, 3rd party app efforts. And the cries of 'greed' are laughable.
Its served its purpose. Whet the appetite of the mass of users for extensibility of the iPhone. Job done.
But I'd no sooner install anything on my touch from anonymous programmers via installer.app than I would go to a barber for surgery. (No offense meant, although I'm sure that that's how some will take that. I'm sure barbers saved lots of lives in the days of old.)
But developers are going to start getting paid for their work now because there will be a reliable distribution and compensation model.
The market will welcome that, and the accountability that will accompany it.

 

[Alaska Machunt]

Where is tiny-code?

It seems as though they have been temporarily de-webbed!

Credence to the rumors perhaps!?!

 

[Drumjim85]

Sorry to disagree with you, until I am not able to do it...then I can make all the ringtones/sounds I desire and I do NOT have to pay for something I make. This has been allowed for two updates so far, where as previous to that all attempts to create your own were blocked with the next patch. Even your own Mac Garageband was updated to allow this...so unless your an attorney working for the RIAA...I could care less what you "think" we need.

If it's sounds / music that you created and own, thats fine.. But if its another artists music, that you edit into a ringtone... its not legal.... I don't agree with it, but thats how it is...

 

[EagerDragon]

What happened to the website:

http://www.tinycode.com ???

Maybe Apple did not like them talking about it.

 

[koko76]

Installer.app software has been free only because there was no market or method to sell it. I don't share the crocodile tears over the impending demise of the free, 3rd party app efforts. And the cries of 'greed' are laughable.
Its served its purpose. Whet the appetite of the mass of users for extensibility of the iPhone. Job done.
But I'd no sooner install anything on my touch from anonymous programmers via installer.app than I would go to a barber for surgery. (No offense meant, although I'm sure that that's how some will take that. I'm sure barbers saved lots of lives in the days of old.)
But developers are going to start getting paid for their work now because there will be a reliable distribution and compensation model.
The market will welcome that, and the accountability that will accompany it.

Roger that. A lot of people seem to have a terribly callous disregard for the fact that this device not only contains all sorts of personal information, but can make calls or send text messages. This could cost you money. Just because it hasn't been done yet doesn't mean the possibility is not there. Although it may not be free, I'd ten times rather pay for something that's at least been checked a little bit to ensure that isn't going on, and a company that I can hold accountable.

 

[SFC Archer]

If it's sounds / music that you created and own, thats fine.. But if its another artists music, that you edit into a ringtone... its not legal.... I don't agree with it, but thats how it is...

Like I said, if you don't like it then arrest me and the millions of others that are doing/using the option. Just like hacking or using any other part of the phone other then intended. Quit, worrying about what others are doing...if it does not affect you or your family personally the who gives a rat's ass.

If I want to create a ringtone with my daughters voice saying "Daddy it the Phone" or a wash tub guitar with spoons and a jug or a clip of "mind your own business" or something from Beetles then that is what I will do. And you and your recliner law books can't do anything about it nor will the RIAA or anyone else.

Have a great Ringtone Day along with all the Apps that are on the way!

 

[Drumjim85]

Like I said, if you don't like it then arrest me and the millions of others that are doing/using the option. Just like hacking or using any other part of the phone other then intended. Quit, worrying about what others are doing...if it does not affect you or your family personally the who gives a rat's ass.

If I want to create a ringtone with my daughters voice saying "Daddy it the Phone" or a wash tub guitar with spoons and a jug or a clip of "mind your own business" or something from Beetles then that is what I will do. And you and your recliner law books can't do anything about it nor will the RIAA or anyone else.

Have a great Ringtone Day along with all the Apps that are on the way!

wayyyy too offensive ...

I don't care what you do.. but you said (and were telling others) that its legit, and I was just saying it's not ...

... chill

 

[SFC Archer]

wayyyy too offensive ...

I don't care what you do.. but you said (and were telling others) that its legit, and I was just saying it's not ...

... chill

Nope...not at all (and its defensive...not offensive) Just tired of arm chair lawyers in these forums telling people what they can and can't do, yet they say nothin about hacking, or using other carriers and all that other stupid stuff. Then idiots get to sue over the most redicoulous idiotic items and drive the cost up of product we the consumers want to improve. I HATE lawyers and all they try to stand for because in the end they don't care about anyone but their fat pockets!!! The RIAA is another one of those idiots and I DONT care about them or their whinnin ways. This is America and I give everyday for her's and your freedom...I am going to enjoy that freedom until they pry it from my cold dead fingers!

 

[GQB]

If I want to create a ringtone with my daughters voice saying "Daddy it the Phone"

Aww... that's really sweet. Really.
But crawling back through the thread, I don't see where anyone said you couldn't do that.
As for lawyers telling you what you can and can't do, well that's just free legal advise, not a threat.

 

[rockosmodurnlif]

Nope...not at all (and its defensive...not offensive) Just tired of arm chair lawyers in these forums telling people what they can and can't do, yet they say nothin about hacking, or using other carriers and all that other stupid stuff. Then idiots get to sue over the most redicoulous idiotic items and drive the cost up of product we the consumers want to improve. I HATE lawyers and all they try to stand for because in the end they don't care about anyone but their fat pockets!!! The RIAA is another one of those idiots and I DONT care about them or their whinnin ways. This is America and I give everyday for her's and your freedom...I am going to enjoy that freedom until they pry it from my cold dead fingers!

What are you talking about? What does the RIAA and "their whinnin ways" have to do with freedom?

 

[SFC Archer]

Aww... that's really sweet. Really.
But crawling back through the thread, I don't see where anyone said you couldn't do that.
As for lawyers telling you what you can and can't do, well that's just free legal advise, not a threat.

Actually, I recorded her saying "Daddy your iPhone is Ringing, Pick Up Please" she is 10 and it sounds awesome.

Not going to go in the other area anymore, I said my piece and I am done with it. As far as this thread is concerned, I think it will be a mixture of pay and free. Not all new apps will incure a charge but some will and I think those that come from the big companies that a pre-sdk was sent to will end up having fees and the little guys that are doing alot of the hack apps will end up being freeware. Kind of a rough sedgeway but hopefully back on track now

 

[whatever]

What are you talking about? This is great! Now I can start paying for all the free programs I've been downloading for so long.

Anything Apple can do to get more programmers working on iTunes for-profit work and fewer on installer.app out-of-the-goodness-of-your-heart work is good for Apple.

And what's good for Apple is good for the country!

Seriously though, it drives me crazy that there is going to be one more way for us to get nickel-and-dimed. Call me greedy, but I don't even think I should have to pay for ringtones, etc. from songs I already own.

As a developer I for one would like to get paid once in a while for my work. The Installer community was a great "proof of concept" platform, but at the end of the day it would be nice to see some coin!

I'm not saying everything should cost money, but it should be up to the developer or the company producing the product.

As far as calling you greedy, I would call you something else if you're paying for ringtones of songs that you already own. Don't you know that you can make ringtones very easily with Garageband? It's been a feature for a while.

 

[cabinets]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A93 Safari/419.3)

newbie here. Will voice call be an option ?

 

[rockosmodurnlif]

What? No, it's not cool! Another developer has been ripped from the iPhone community to be Apple's lapdog for their corporatization of something that should have been in place to begin with.

My major fear here is that there will be no free downloads, even for stupid solitaire or something, it'll be a $5.00 fee even though a developer wants to make it for free right now.

I am very much not in favor of Apple taking over and controlling this process. Tiny-Code said themselves we'd be seeing them on iTunes... Perhaps I'm just fearing the worst, but I've seen what Apple does in the past. Develops a popular product on a maximum-security platform. No one can get in unless they're bed-buddies with Apple.

Remember iPod+HP? HP RAN from that "partnership."

I'm not going to fully bash the system until it's up, running, and I've seen it work, but at this point in time, I am very skeptical/hesitant.

-Clive

What are you talking about? This is great! Now I can start paying for all the free programs I've been downloading for so long.

Anything Apple can do to get more programmers working on iTunes for-profit work and fewer on installer.app out-of-the-goodness-of-your-heart work is good for Apple.

And what's good for Apple is good for the country!

Seriously though, it drives me crazy that there is going to be one more way for us to get nickel-and-dimed. Call me greedy, but I don't even think I should have to pay for ringtones, etc. from songs I already own.

Paying for software?! Heaven forbid!

 

[Clive At Five]

Are there many developers who would produce truly useful (or fun) apps for free, without incorporating a scheme to generate revenues from advertising? Maybe that's not a biz model right now? Is it possible Apple's thinking is that it's better to get the apps out for a (modest) fee without ads, thus making the experience a more pleasant one? [...]
Can you expand on your concerns in light of these thoughts? Thanks. --terry

I've experienced many iPhone apps that say simply, "If you like this software, support it by donating" and that's it. Sure it's the honor system, but people DO donate. The message is simple and there are no flashy advertisements.

When I am moved by a well-programmed application, I always pay for it. Admittedly, I don't always try the demo versions of software, but if I like it, I ALWAYS pay for it. If I don't like it, I delete it. The same goes for a CD, video game, utility, whatever. Sure, I'm just one person, but there are others of us with consciences out there.

I believe in an open system where developers write programs for the love of programming and users pay based on valueable the program is to them. Obviously this is a little too Utopian for today's society, and it would never work for large-scale software like MS Office and Leopard but for small apps, it can work very well. If it's just a game of solitaire, $2.50 seems like a total rip-off, but if my wife downloads the program and finds that she enjoys it so much, she plays a few games every night, she might feel obligated to donate $5.00 instead.

I believe iTunes should preserve this trust-based system for light-weight programs while using the pay-method for larger software titles.

If Apple squashes all free downloads, I will be VERY discouraged.

-Clive

 

[cameronjpu]

I'd like to see some suggested "top five wanted apps" or "top five expected apps", on this thread. I sense my eyes can be opened wider to the possibilities. I know some smart developers will surprise us with can't-do-without killer apps we hadn't even thought about. But what are people here wanting? Expecting? Thanks.

Wifi Sync App
App to get podcasts over the air
App to control Airtunes speakers (stream music from the iPhone to the speakers).

 

[eastcoastsurfer]

Installer.app software has been free only because there was no market or method to sell it. I don't share the crocodile tears over the impending demise of the free, 3rd party app efforts. And the cries of 'greed' are laughable.
Its served its purpose. Whet the appetite of the mass of users for extensibility of the iPhone. Job done.
But I'd no sooner install anything on my touch from anonymous programmers via installer.app than I would go to a barber for surgery. (No offense meant, although I'm sure that that's how some will take that. I'm sure barbers saved lots of lives in the days of old.)
But developers are going to start getting paid for their work now because there will be a reliable distribution and compensation model.
The market will welcome that, and the accountability that will accompany it.

Quick, better uninstall Camino, Adium, Open Office, Quicksilver...Safari too, since Webkit (the underlying engine that actually does the work) is free software. Not sure what's so hard to understand about free software. People write software for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes to sell, to learn, to solve their own little problem. Many of these people have 'real' jobs writing software that can be mundane or boring so they turn to free software to do something creative. Without free software OS X, and software in general would not exist today.

 

[japanime]

I am going to enjoy that freedom until they pry it from my cold dead fingers!

Yeeeee-haaawwwwww!!!!!!

 

[gamac]

Quick, better uninstall Camino, Adium, Open Office, Quicksilver...Safari too, since Webkit (the underlying engine that actually does the work) is free software. Not sure what's so hard to understand about free software. People write software for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes to sell, to learn, to solve their own little problem. Many of these people have 'real' jobs writing software that can be mundane or boring so they turn to free software to do something creative. Without free software OS X, and software in general would not exist today.

Actually, you have it backwards. 'Paid' for software, is the basis for most/all of today's software (free and paid for). All of today's OSs/languages/software can trace their original development costs to the Billions (if not Trillions) of tax dollars spent via the military/universities/NASA in computer/hardware/software research over the past 60+ years. Not counting the Billions of dollars in Business investments in universities/labs/etc research.

Sure, some software today is developed 'free', people do contribute their labor for other reasons besides monetary gain as you stated. But someone is always directly/indirectly paying for their time.

Nothing is really free, it just might not have cost you anything (directly).

 

[tothelimit]

It seems as though they have been temporarily de-webbed!

Credence to the rumors perhaps!?!

i think it could go either way. lately apple has been letting credible rumors/leaks go without action (see 1.1.3 leak).

and it seems weird that their website would go down altogether. wouldn't a c&d do the job? just take the rumor/info/leak in question down... not the whole site?

 

[theman]

Cool, all the repos are going to be down after the SDK. I'm definitely looking forward to $2.99 per app.

 

[badNameErr]

Banned from the ranch

Well, that is the last time those guys work with Apple. I hope they had fun.

Unless Apple asked them to "leak" those details. Hmmm. Maybe.

 

[jkreileder]

Clive,

Are there many developers who would produce truly useful (or fun) apps for free, without incorporating a scheme to generate revenues from advertising? Maybe that's not a biz model right now?

Ever heard of Open Source?
Besides, not everything has to be a "biz model"...

 

[Rocketman]

1. iPhone is a computer. It has everything a real computer has and also adds mobility internet. It is in some ways better. In fact I personally claim Apple is crippling wireless features on laptops to encourage palmtop sales.

2. The rumored software is Alpha because it is internal and/or controlled. If it were beta it would be distributed more widely. Apple's new paradigm is secrecy and internal and proprietary software on proprietary hardware. OH, WAIT, THAT WAS THEIR OLD PARADIGM ALSO.

3. SDK will add a bit of "horses free from the corral", but will also add 3rd party "tools" acessable to proprietary Apple apps. I wonder which will dominate?

Wanna bet?

Rocketman