First Mac Pros Begin Arriving Ahead of Christmas

[Mousse]

well the good thing is prices never really drop on apple products...(

Not necessarily... Every time Apple releases a radically new design, they have to recoup the cost of R&D, so the first iterations of that design usually cost a lot more than products of the same design later on. Take the MacBook Air for example. It was a completely new direction in laptop design. And the introductory price was pretty hefty for what you get. $1799 for the same performance level as the entry level $999 MacBook. Fast forward 4-5 years, the MBA's compares well with other laptops in price/performance.

I can see a 12 core MP costing only $4K in 2-3 years. No more R&D cost needed to be tacked on.

 

[ramirezzz]

brydaman,
you may test the MP from Blackmagic Disk Speed Test ?
im very interested about ssd speed.

 

[DarwinOSX]

Your login name is apt.

Must be nice to be rich...

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brydaman,
you may test the MP from Blackmagic Disk Speed Test ?
im very interested about ssd speed.

There are some Blackmagic speeds tests out there already, a little faster than the 512GB SSD on my 2013 15" rMBP. I'm still amazed how fast it is on my laptop.

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OpenCL is the ****** thats for sure. Holds much promise and doing great on OpenCL apps and gpus.

I was disappointed that Logic X wasn't already using OpenCL to take advantage of the Dual GPU's. I'm pretty sure OpenCL will become a standard for resource intensive software.

 

[Djreversal]

Not necessarily... Every time Apple releases a radically new design, they have to recoup the cost of R&D, so the first iterations of that design usually cost a lot more than products of the same design later on. Take the MacBook Air for example. It was a completely new direction in laptop design. And the introductory price was pretty hefty for what you get. $1799 for the same performance level as the entry level $999 MacBook. Fast forward 4-5 years, the MBA's compares well with other laptops in price/performance.

I can see a 12 core MP costing only $4K in 2-3 years. No more R&D cost needed to be tacked on.

yea i see where your coming from... my mac pro really didnt lose nearly as much as i thought it would and it was a 2008 8-core.. but yea i try to stay on top of the small upgrades each year, this way ill lose like maybe a grand and then get the latest and greatest. i try to do that as much as possible.. with my iphones and ipads and all.. i sell it just before the announcement and i usually get like 75% of my money back.

 

[DarwinOSX]

So you can have a $14,300 piece of junk? That is still not the same thing.

Or you can build your own pee cee with the same parts.
For $14,300, including the $200 Windows Tax.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/12/24/apples-new-mac-pro-a-better-value-than-the-sum-of-its-parts

 

[coolfactor]

If you spent over $3000 on iOS devices then in my book you are rich.

It's probably just a different threshold of what one considers 'rich'. If someone makes $3000 a month, they would be rich in my book, because I make less than 1/3 of that each month right now due to my struggling business. But $3k a month is still considered the low end of the income threshold.

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Trying to understand why anyone would opt for the $2999 configuration when a faster iMac with a screen can be had for about $100 less. Sure it looks cool, but cool isn't going to get your work done. You really need to push up the cores and ram and then the price goes through the roof.

By "faster", you are referring to the clock speed of the CPUs? Remember that you need to factor in parallel processing, and that the GPUs handle large parts of the processing. Raw processor speed is meaningless in the bigger picture. Just look at the iPhone 5s... it has a slower processor and half the cores of some of its Android competitors, but has proven to perform computational tasks much faster. It's the bigger picture you need to look at, and forget about individual specs.

 

[hansonjohn590]

I'm not so sure.. additional processor cores, ram, and faster SSD storage are all factors that will influence the speed of those development tools, especially if you are working in Windows/OSX at the same time (which I have to do everyday) It's overkill for sure, but it would most certainly be faster.

One could easily argue an iMac + a Windows machine would have been cheaper, though.

Does xcode and the ios simulator even take advantage of all of those cores? The SSD might help but you could get that anywhere. IMO a new iMac would make for an excellent machine just for strictly iOS development.

 

[calaverasgrande]

Must be nice to be rich...

A maxed out Mac Pro costs less than what you would pay for a very cheap new car, or even many late model used cars.
It's simply where you place your priorities.
Many people would think nothing of paying a monthly note to be seen in a nicer new car. Appearances and all.
I prefer to "blow" my money on a tool that helps me make money ( I work with computers for a living). And I'll drive a dowdy old Subaru and let people think what they will about my means.
At the end of the week I probably spent one hour in my car, and 50 hours in front of my Mac.

 

[calaverasgrande]

CORES=6
LOGICALCORES=2
MHZ=3500.000000
PROCESSOR=Intel Xeon CPU E5-1650 v2
OPENGLVENDOR=ATI Technologies Inc.
OPENGLCARD=AMD Radeon HD - FirePro D500 OpenGL Engine
OPENGLVERSION=4.1 ATI-1.16.37
DRIVERVERSION=
CBTYPE=64 BIT
OSVERSION=OS X 10.9.0
CBCPU1=0.000000
CBCPUX=963.808973
CBOPENGL=70.762074
CBOPENGLQUALITY=99.511624
C4DINFO=
C4DVERSION=15.037
C4DBUILDID=RC83328demo

I'd like to see the same bench after it's been updated to 10.9.1.

 

[mdelvecchio]

well the good thing is prices never really drop on apple products... it will be nice if in a year or 2 they switch things up, maybe offer more powerful product, with maybe 12-24 core system and faster ram or more drives for less etc... i try to sell my mac's every year and get the latest upgrade.. hopefully they dont pull a fast one like they did with the last gen and not really upgrade the system properly for like 5 years

the previous MP's updates were limited to intel chipset releases.

 

[N64]

Or you can build your own pee cee with the same parts.
For $14,300, including the $200 Windows Tax.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/12/24/apples-new-mac-pro-a-better-value-than-the-sum-of-its-parts

Why does it cost MORE? Wow, it's like a repeat of what happened with my 2008 Mac Pro.

 

[LCPepper]

Haha, I don't think I would be thrilled if the Post Office decided that my Mac Pro were to become a glorified doorstop.

 

[brydaman]

Updated Cinebench 2013 Mac Pro 6-core 10.9.1

I'd like to see the same bench after it's been updated to 10.9.1.

Summary of differences:
OPENGLVERSION 4.1 ATI-1.16.37 -- > 4.1 ATI-1.16.39
OSVERSION OS X 10.9.0 --> OS X 10.9.1
CBCPUX 963.808973 --> 963.391137
CBOPENGL 70.762074 --> 79.515707

CORES=6
LOGICALCORES=2
MHZ=3500.000000
PROCESSOR=Intel Xeon CPU E5-1650 v2
OPENGLVENDOR=ATI Technologies Inc.
OPENGLCARD=AMD Radeon HD - FirePro D500 OpenGL Engine
OPENGLVERSION=4.1 ATI-1.16.39
DRIVERVERSION=
CBTYPE=64 BIT
OSVERSION=OS X 10.9.1
CBCPU1=0.000000
CBCPUX=963.391137
CBOPENGL=79.515707
CBOPENGLQUALITY=99.511624
C4DINFO=
C4DVERSION=15.037
C4DBUILDID=RC83328demo

 

[SirHaakon]

Many people would think nothing of paying a monthly note to be seen in a nicer new car.

Must be nice to be rich...

 

[currentinterest]

Just did some quick addition and realized that I too spent way more than $3000 in iOS devices this year, plus toss in a $2700 rMBP and all of a sudden the MP price looks pretty good. When I go into an Apple Store and they go into the back to check up on something, I imagine they type in a serial number and up pops my picture with the words "Easy Mark" next to it.

 

[DarwinOSX]

I definitely remember the IIfx..shocking price even back then.

Wow...a top of the line, fully decked out Mac Pro ALMOST costs as much as a Mac IIfx (y'all grey beards remember that thing?).
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You haven't been buying Macs very long if you think the prices never drop.

well the good thing is prices never really drop on apple products... it will be nice if in a year or 2 they switch things up, maybe offer more powerful product, with maybe 12-24 core system and faster ram or more drives for less etc... i try to sell my mac's every year and get the latest upgrade.. hopefully they dont pull a fast one like they did with the last gen and not really upgrade the system properly for like 5 years

 

[oplix]

Apple again shows why it's on top and other's can only hope to compete. People being passionate about other people.

 

[Bubba Satori]

Apple again shows why it's on top and other's can only hope to compete.
People being passionate about gadgets.

Merry Christmas Tim.

 

[Gudi]

Why does it cost MORE? Wow, it's like a repeat of what happened with my 2008 Mac Pro.

I'll guess, because Microsoft still spends more than double the amount on R&D?

It comes with black apple stickers!

Now I believe it when people say to me, my 13-inch MBP is only "Pro" by name. But not by sticker.

 

[borcanm]

A fully loaded 12-core Mac Pro with 64GB of RAM, dual AMD FirePro D700 GPUs and 1TB of PCI-e based flash storage retails for $9599 in the United States.

Wow, I can build a PC like that for $4000. This mac is a complete waste.

 

[Born Again]

Haha! My wife bought that, not me, lol

I like the mat

This is staged though.

You signed for the package. You then brought it back outside and set it down to take photos

Congrats !!!!

 

[kriebe]

Wow, I can build a PC like that for $4000. This mac is a complete waste.

No, you can't. Unless, by "like", you mean nothing really like it at all.

 

[skottichan]

No, you can't. Unless, by "like", you mean nothing really like it at all.

Let's be honest, s/he could have mistyped and dropped the 1 in $14,000, and could be complaining that the $9600 price tagged MacPro is underpriced.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/13...-pro-a-better-value-than-the-sum-of-its-parts


(yes, this post is me being sarcastic in dealing with the "I could build it cheaper crowd")

 

[dysamoria]

Must be nice to be rich...

Or just save what money you have, rather than blowing it on booze, cigarettes, drugs, sports, car pimping, gaming... whatever people spend their money on.

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littleboy... I work 60 hours a week at my computer developing iOS apps, don't hate! I am not rich

-Tom

People don't understand, or even consider, the priorities of others...

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I laughed at this, and then thought about my new iPhone, my new iPad mini with retina, then having to get the gf one, then buying a couple of Airs for christmas presents for my parents.. then realized, damn me too!

Damn. Most be good being in your family...

 

[N64]

I'll guess, because Microsoft still spends more than double the amount on R&D?

But Microsoft only makes the software, not any of the parts.

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Wow, I can build a PC like that for $4000. This mac is a complete waste.

Yeah right. You mean with an AMD processor that has the same clock speed and is therefore "the same"? Even then, the GPUs alone cost much more than $4000.

But I don't know if they used the parts so wisely. It has Xeon CPUs but doesn't take advantage of the dual-CPU ability. Watch it come out in the next version.