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Flight Attendants Union Challenges FAA Decision Allowing Passengers to Use Electronics in All Phases of Flight
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Sorry what I was saying was same as you've now said. After a few flights the briefing becomes boring. And only new flyers listen. So any argument from FA about safety because flyers would be on mobiles etc is wrong because as we know new flyers will always listen to the safety brief. FA are just upset they'll be performing to themselves because most flights contain frequent flyers. That's what I meant.
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How do you know they haven't flown 200 times and know the safety brief inside out? They may appear stupid to you but maybe they know exactly what to do in an emergency. That was my point.
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Flying sucks anyways so I don't bother but I have to ask: what the hell is a safety briefing for anyways? That plane goes down you're basically DEAD. Having my head between my legs is useless. Maybe between the hot chick next to me.... Now that might be worth mashing my face into. But otherwise, WTF?
lol the illusion of safety and control
In the event of a crash not sure id be paying much attention to someone else's instruction if I see an exit I'm gone cause whos to say the FA is right.
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They're thr only ones who need to listen. See my reply above.
See above. My point was the FA trying to make frequent flyers listen to it and using safety as a reason to stop flyers using mobiles. Only first timers and those unsure listen. It's human nature. FA are worried they'll be performing to themselves. Anyway is there proof that not knowing the safety procedure in a crash leads to more injury? Does the death rate go up? Do people not take the oxygen mask reflexively? Do they not put on life jackets? Have these things been tested.
How many times do flyers see the routines in movies. Have there been tests between the outcome of no safety brief to a safety brief or is this some old routine from the early days that helps FA justify their jobs and gives them more self importance.
Questions that should be asked.
But hey if I'm going to die crashing into the ground I'd rather not listen to some FA ********. Can I just sit there and chill out sucking on an oxygen mask and make conversation with the person next to me or maybe just look out the window at the fast approaching ground.
Oh and if the plane hits the ground if I see an exit I'm not listening ot paying attention to a FA and I'm certainly not paying attention to yhen when I'm out of the plane. I'm in charge of me. I'm sure many others feel the same. Especially if they are smart.
Edit. Before anyone jumps on the last paragraph . Note I won't be listening. If your well trained smart intelligent you'll know what I meant.
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Ya know. I'm actually on the flight attendant's side this time. There's no doubt, people are idiots and I can totally see lawsuits specifying: "passenger was not aware of the protocol to safely exit the airplane causing them injury" or so stupid reason like that. Would be best to implement the free for all after the safety video plays.
What a bunch of whiners... I want to listen to music, I want to watch an extra two minutes of my movie... I want, I want ... blah, blah, blah... let me ask you...
Are you in the fittest shape of your life? Do you have lightening fast reflexes? Can you stay perfectly calm when your plane is breaking up at 100 mph because of an aborted landing and you have 90 seconds (the safety window of time) to get out? What, no? Then shut up for 2 measly minutes of your mundane life and pay attention. And no, I don't care if you've heard the safety briefing a millions times.. you are NOT a trained first aid responder or rescuer.
If you don't care, then you better not get in my way as I climb over your panic stricken body in a smoke filled cabin towards the exit, which I decided to wisely look for while you had your eyes buried in your stupid text message.
Go to YouTube and watch some episodes of Mayday and educate yourself.
Are you in the fittest shape of your life? Do you have lightening fast reflexes? Can you stay perfectly calm when your plane is breaking up at 100 mph because of an aborted landing and you have 90 seconds (the safety window of time) to get out? What, no? Then shut up for 2 measly minutes of your mundane life and pay attention. And no, I don't care if you've heard the safety briefing a millions times.. you are NOT a trained first aid responder or rescuer.
If you don't care, then you better not get in my way as I climb over your panic stricken body in a smoke filled cabin towards the exit, which I decided to wisely look for while you had your eyes buried in your stupid text message.
Go to YouTube and watch some episodes of Mayday and educate yourself.
Well, that would be a frivolous lawsuit, and hopefully would be dismissed as such.
But that aside, people are allowed to sleep, eat, read, talk to the person next to them, wear earplugs, etc. during the safety briefing, and the FAU apparently has no problem with any of that (or at least they are not lobbying the FFA to change those rules). I fail to see how the use of a smartphone during the safety video is any different from any other thing a person might do that causes them to not pay attention.
I agree. In an emergency, that person that wasn’t paying attention, (who has probably flown loads of times previously and ignored the briefing on the vast majority of those flights), is the same person that slows down the others and gets in the way.
He/She is the one I will tread on/ignore on my way to safety.
At work we have inductions before we begin a job and most of the people ignore them. When something does happen they are the idiots that have gone to the wrong muster point or not showed up at all, used the wrong extinguisher, didn’t know what phone number to dial for assistance and have on the wrong PPE and so on and so on.
Please people, it won’t kill you to turn off your device for a brief period.
The attendants should give the person a very long and very uncomfortable stare when not being attentive. The embarrassment of the attendant looking at them as well as the other passengers looking too would snap them into order.
I would probably launch such a suit.
And yes, those people who are otherwise ignoring the safety warning are not much better, but having your bloody eyes glued to a SMARTphone (what an oxymoron sometimes) is even worse:
- using a smartphone is more distracting than many other activities, and recent studies support that during focused activities, texting and using a cell phone is pretty much as bad as distracted or impaired driving
- with other distracting activities (talking to the person beside you), there are still other physical cues as to what is going on around you
- when you're eating... I don't know... can you eat and read or watch TV at the same time? I can! At least you get some or most of the safety briefing.
- if you're reading, the attendant can at least SHOUT IN YOUR EAR TO PAY ATTENTION
- I don't know what airline you fly, but on my trip four days ago, the attendants told each person wearing earphones to remove them for the safety announcement
- and if you have to abandon your book or your lunch in an emergency evacuation during take off, hey, no big deal! Do you want to abandon your $900 iphone 6 plus that you lined up for 48 hours to get? Probably not. You're going to be worrying on putting your favourite little toy away while precious seconds tick by.
Bottom line: Put your electronics away, and PAY ATTENTION FOR 2 MEASLY MINUTES OF YOUR LIFE.
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Seriously, all these people complaining are going to wish they paid attention when their flight blows up.
I used to work in an international airport, at a starbucks, and the dumbest people would come up. They'd tell me their flights were bording and that they needed their drinks fast. Well that was my que to take forever just to piss them off, then I'd give them decaf. I bet you people are the same idiots who go to starbucks right when your flights are boarding and then complain that your drink is taking too long to make. Go tell someone who actually cares.
And how is the flight attendant supposed to know which one of the 200 people in the airplane are frequent flyers?
Seriously, you people are acting like little 2 year olds.
Many European airlines now allow the use of small electronic devices. You are asked not to use them and to pay attention during the safety briefing.
The main difference now is that preparation for takeoff and landing is slightly calmer (passengers are not required to remove headsets, which used to take a lot of flight attendant time and create tension). Personally, I always pay attention during the takeoff and landing (and remove headsets to avoid injury), but these phases only last a couple of minutes, not the 15-20 minutes to reach 10000 feet plus the taxiing phase. This gives me much more productive time while on a plane.
Flight attendents have jobs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd0XpLxOSKI&index=21&list=FLkNeLi-KlV-FM4TWu4JcdpA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd0XpLxOSKI&index=21&list=FLkNeLi-KlV-FM4TWu4JcdpA
theyre not. why is it so hard to understand that not everyone needs to be forced to listen to the FA safety routine.
The whole thing is useless security theater. There's exactly three useful bits of information given in the safety lecture, and most of them are common sense:
1. Lights will lead to emergency exits
2. Put on your oxygen mask before helping others
3. Fasten your seatbelt
All that flotation device nonsense is just that - nonsense. There have been no "water landings"of passenger jets, it's called crashing into the ocean. If that happens, kiss your ass goodbye.
The likely real reason for wanting people to keep their devices off during takeoff is because FAs quite often have to talk to people to ask them to move their seats upright and their trays up, and this can get annoying quickly if half the people have headphones on.
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I don't think charred corpses care about the location of the emergency exits, or where the whistle on that life vest is.
What exactly is unreasonable about asking you to hurry with their coffees? FFS, you work selling coffee at an airport and get annoyed because people have flights to catch? Those people buying the overpriced swill you sell pay your unskilled hobo wages, where the hell do you get off acting like they're inconveniencing you?
i was on a flight 1 week ago and one device was giving problems to the cockpit.
It got to the point where the captain of the plane had to ask 3 times, and asked ALL ELECTRONICS to to be turned off, even stowed away in the overhead compartments.
The captain's voice wasn't patient, the was a legitimate concern, it was messing up the airplanes instruments.
The fact is, everyone has to turn it off, while its prob not apple or samsung products, you cant just have one person have it while the others doesnt.
and people are stupid as hell, while people were borderline panicking one guy was still taking pictures with his tablet.
We were over international waters, I'm not trying to die because someone wants to use their smartphone/tablet.
Turn that **** off, coming form someone that actually had an incident with smartphones recently on a flight.
Airline attendants can only guess how many with noses buried in devices are going to crow, "help me, help me. I don't know what to do!" once an emergency is underway.
I think some people here are completely missing the point. The safety announcements, regardless of whether people choose to listen to it now or not, are a legal requirement and important to ensure passenger safety in the event of an emergency. By encouraging passengers to 'focus' on other things, the airlines are dismissing it's importance.
But what the responses here tell me, is MacRumors is nothing but a bunch of tech nerds who can't bare to put down their iPhones and iPads for 5 minutes!
Really? Was that actually called for? I think not. If you're taking a flight, isn't it the PASSENGERS responsibility to be at the airport, checked-in and at the gate on time? If you choose to run late, you don't get extra rights at Starbucks. You join the queue and wait like everyone else!
Oh, and you're point about there never being any successful water landings. Go Google US Airways Flight 1549.
But what the responses here tell me, is MacRumors is nothing but a bunch of tech nerds who can't bare to put down their iPhones and iPads for 5 minutes!
Really? Was that actually called for? I think not. If you're taking a flight, isn't it the PASSENGERS responsibility to be at the airport, checked-in and at the gate on time? If you choose to run late, you don't get extra rights at Starbucks. You join the queue and wait like everyone else!
Oh, and you're point about there never being any successful water landings. Go Google US Airways Flight 1549.
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Oh boy am I not surprised you are working at an airport coffee shop... lol
A similar discussion popped up on reddit a while ago. I find it very scary how unbelievably many people are taking the stance that this little bit of security theater is like totally vital for survival and arcane, crucial information and how lots of folks in here are saying they feel like having the right to step over people who didnt listen. Are we that far yet, really? Do you suck up to bigbrother THIS much in the USA? I am very scared when I see this.
I used to work as a paramedic 911 first responder and I can tell you one thing: when **** goes down and it's a big uh-oh, you establish a firm and short chain of command and you RUN people. You do not hope and trust they will do the right **** by instinct and training. They cant. You have got to gather information in a centered location and dish it out along with orders. That's how any op works as soon as it's more than 5 or 6 people plus the fire department and the cops running around. They all have training and are very good at what they do. You still organize them and run the show so they can focus on doing their job.
And that's why you have several flight attendants there. That's why they keep telling you how they arent soda dispensers but oh-so-highly trained safety staff. When **** goes down, it's them dishing out the orders and telling passengers what to do. Not a single regular person would remember the security theater when in shock and in a burning and sinking airplane. They are regular, normal folks. They will panic and be scared ********. You cannot trust them to remember some blabla from 9 hours ago. That's why the attendants are there to take over and to run the crowd with clear orders.
And let's face it, when **** really goes bad on an airplane, it wouldn't really matter anyway.
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Guess what absolutely everybody else will be "crowing"? The same exact words. If you think you are a real cool Fonz and gonna keep nerves of steel strengthened by the safety blabla, then think again. I can promise you, you won't. You will go into shock and scared-******** mode just like everyone else and you will be yelping for help with the rest of them. We are all just human.
Nothing's stopped them from listening to the safety announcements. I'd prefer to listen to some music in peace...
so relaxation does not count as a holiday ? as that's the point i was making.
If i wanted to fiddle with my gadgets i can do that at home.. why would u also wanna use them on a trip ? It would be a trip for some of us, but a constant annoyance.