Yeah, agree with that. Ouch! But I'll find a way to get rid of it! Nevertheless, with Start 11, Win 11 is light years ahead of MacOS. LIGHT YEARS!
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It changes frequently, but to get rid of it just go into the task bar settings and turn off the search box. You can still use search by opening the start menu.
As I stated in my first post here, I switched back to Windows two or three weeks ago.
From a neutral standpoint I would agree that Win 11 is superior to macOS. (At least for typical office work, multi window management)
Our company is fully geared towards microsoft (office 365, business central cloud erp, azure active directory, power bi) and the microsoft ecosystem is incredibly powerful and productive. So much new tools on the way (Microsoft Loop and Copilot)
Nevertheless, I will go back to macOS. Using Windows I quickly become stressed and hectic. This is only my personal standpoint and has more psychological reasons. Maybe the lack of multi-window-management in macOS helps me to focus on one application rather than toggling between outlook, edge and so on.
This is only a small cosmetic flaw for sure, but those icons are kinda misplaced and ridicolous. Nothing that should be pushed to enterprise installations by default.
From a neutral standpoint I would agree that Win 11 is superior to macOS. (At least for typical office work, multi window management)
Our company is fully geared towards microsoft (office 365, business central cloud erp, azure active directory, power bi) and the microsoft ecosystem is incredibly powerful and productive. So much new tools on the way (Microsoft Loop and Copilot)
Nevertheless, I will go back to macOS. Using Windows I quickly become stressed and hectic. This is only my personal standpoint and has more psychological reasons. Maybe the lack of multi-window-management in macOS helps me to focus on one application rather than toggling between outlook, edge and so on.
Maybe you can disable it in settings -> privacy & security -> search permissions -> show search highlights.
This is only a small cosmetic flaw for sure, but those icons are kinda misplaced and ridicolous. Nothing that should be pushed to enterprise installations by default.
Are you sure it is related to an operating system?
When you use Windows you are working. When you use MacOS you are not. Could that explain the psychological reasons? (Work asssociates with stress. Leisure time associates with fun and relaxation). Maybe if your are going to use MacOS for work it makes you stressed and hectic too?
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Are you sure it is related to an operating system?
When you use Windows you are working. When you use MacOS you are not. Could that explain the psychological reasons? (Work asssociates with stress. Leisure time associates with fun and relaxation). Maybe if your are going to use MacOS for work it makes you stressed and hectic too?
Oh, I don't do computer stuff at home, at least not for the last 10-15 years, so it's not the difference between work and leisure time. Our company lets us decide which hardware we need.
I have to explain further:
I got into Software Consulting some years ago. I was handed some disastrous projects that caused nothing but stress, anger and trouble. Looking back I was on the verge of getting burn-out syndrome. I left this company (never looked back) But since then, Windows, Outlook etc are associated with stress for sure. So maybe it's good to do a new start
I tired going iPad Pro 11 only in 2020, lasted 6 months before I got an M1 Air. For the most part I was able to get by well when It came to general consumption. It was great getting rid of my desk, being silent and extremely portable.
Issues I had were with Word/OneDrive having sync issues, for some reason was getting the older version of the file when sending. Had to manually download then send. Backing up files manually using Files and an external SSD was cumbersome. At the time with LumaFusion while great, had to go out of your way to get some basic things done (eg. speed ramping).
Which leaves me with the conclusion, the iPad is great for consumption and tasks/apps suited towards it such as illustration. Other things while they can be done, feel like you have to go out of your way to accomplish. Maybe you don't have to go out your way as much and are willing to make the trade off with the other things it does well. I am in the camp of MacOS should not come to the iPad, but more capable apps. Now I've reminded myself of this, might watch some videos on how Davinci Resolve goes on it.
Issues I had were with Word/OneDrive having sync issues, for some reason was getting the older version of the file when sending. Had to manually download then send. Backing up files manually using Files and an external SSD was cumbersome. At the time with LumaFusion while great, had to go out of your way to get some basic things done (eg. speed ramping).
Which leaves me with the conclusion, the iPad is great for consumption and tasks/apps suited towards it such as illustration. Other things while they can be done, feel like you have to go out of your way to accomplish. Maybe you don't have to go out your way as much and are willing to make the trade off with the other things it does well. I am in the camp of MacOS should not come to the iPad, but more capable apps. Now I've reminded myself of this, might watch some videos on how Davinci Resolve goes on it.
Man, I put myself in a real quandary that only people in this thread will understand LOL. So I bought a Asus 2021 Zephyrus G14 RTX 3060 Ryzen 7 5800hs with 16 GB RAM for $708 open box. The thing seems pristine. I have put it through some gameage and it seems really really good.
Using windows means that I can also use it for my day job since Azure Desktop doesn’t work with Macs and Smart Cards together with the way my workplace implemented it at least. So I am able to use this bad boy with my work and thus all I need to throw in my bag when I travel is my iPad Pro 12.9” M1 and this Asus laptop. Otherwise I need my iPad, Macbook Air, and work laptop.
Gah! I can sell the MBA for more than the $708 + $200 ADP warranty from Best Buy and I switched a while back so all my programs are cross-platform. Does anyone regret getting rid of mac OS for purely aesthetic and/or weird reasons? @maflynn with some insight perhaps?
I mean it is awesome being able to game with this thing. I should also point out that while home I have a custom desktop PC with an RTX 3060Ti and a Ryzen 5 5600X. In this scenario I use that for everything while home and the laptop stays in my home office.
So, do people miss mac that have switched completely?
Using windows means that I can also use it for my day job since Azure Desktop doesn’t work with Macs and Smart Cards together with the way my workplace implemented it at least. So I am able to use this bad boy with my work and thus all I need to throw in my bag when I travel is my iPad Pro 12.9” M1 and this Asus laptop. Otherwise I need my iPad, Macbook Air, and work laptop.
Gah! I can sell the MBA for more than the $708 + $200 ADP warranty from Best Buy and I switched a while back so all my programs are cross-platform. Does anyone regret getting rid of mac OS for purely aesthetic and/or weird reasons? @maflynn with some insight perhaps?
I mean it is awesome being able to game with this thing. I should also point out that while home I have a custom desktop PC with an RTX 3060Ti and a Ryzen 5 5600X. In this scenario I use that for everything while home and the laptop stays in my home office.
So, do people miss mac that have switched completely?
It depends if you're heavily in the Apple ecosystem, a Mac is a very good way to access your Apple life; docs, photos, reminders, calendar, etc. On Windows Apple services are a bit more of a pain to access and some you can only get to via iCloud.com
Luckily for me I use Nextcloud on a local server I made myself, so I am not really heavily invested anymore. This is a great reminder though as I do use icloud photos and the like. I will download the somewhat useless icloud for windows and see how it goes. Thank you!
As someone who has flipped and flopped more than a freshly caught fish between Windows and Mac, I am now going through a big change myself.
I recently decided that I am just sick of waiting for Apple to do something interesting again. Their prices in the UK are becoming eye-wateringly difficult to justify, especially for what are just iterative devices. I bought an iPhone 14 only to immediately return it as I saw virtually nothing of real difference over the 11 I already had.
My M1 MacBook Air is a great laptop, but that's all it is – no touch, no pen input, no detachability. And the iPad? It's just stuck in a time warp – not quite a computer, a bit more than a phone but with an OS that cripples the hardware.
So I'm doing something different. I already have a powerful Ryzen 7 desktop PC and don't want two separate devices (laptop and tablet) for lighter duties. Each lack certain functionality of the other and both require charging and carrying. I simply want a companion device that can be a tablet when I want it to and a laptop when I need it. You can see where this is going...
There's something about the Surface devices that just feels special. I don't think the Pro kickstand design has ever been bettered. In the UK right now, there are huge reductions on the Surface Pro X. So I bought one recently, brand-new, for £400 as an experiment. It's early days, but I absolutely love it. The battery life is better than the regular Surface, it's exceptionally thin and Windows 11 works just fine as a tablet OS when required. I already had an old Surface Pen and that works with it, too.
Here is the real curve ball – I've also just bought a Surface Duo, new and sealed, for £280. I just want to try something completely new, in a form factor that Apple just doesn't offer, at a price that doesn't break the bank. That way, if I'm not keen, it's easily sold on with little loss (unlike splashing out on, say, a ZFold4). Recent updates have apparently made the Duo a pretty great device now.
So we'll see how this goes. In theory, I should have the best of all worlds – a powerful desktop PC, a slim and light companion device that serves as both tablet and laptop, and a folding dual-screen phone with functionality that Apple will not offer right now. We'll see how it goes!
I recently decided that I am just sick of waiting for Apple to do something interesting again. Their prices in the UK are becoming eye-wateringly difficult to justify, especially for what are just iterative devices. I bought an iPhone 14 only to immediately return it as I saw virtually nothing of real difference over the 11 I already had.
My M1 MacBook Air is a great laptop, but that's all it is – no touch, no pen input, no detachability. And the iPad? It's just stuck in a time warp – not quite a computer, a bit more than a phone but with an OS that cripples the hardware.
So I'm doing something different. I already have a powerful Ryzen 7 desktop PC and don't want two separate devices (laptop and tablet) for lighter duties. Each lack certain functionality of the other and both require charging and carrying. I simply want a companion device that can be a tablet when I want it to and a laptop when I need it. You can see where this is going...
There's something about the Surface devices that just feels special. I don't think the Pro kickstand design has ever been bettered. In the UK right now, there are huge reductions on the Surface Pro X. So I bought one recently, brand-new, for £400 as an experiment. It's early days, but I absolutely love it. The battery life is better than the regular Surface, it's exceptionally thin and Windows 11 works just fine as a tablet OS when required. I already had an old Surface Pen and that works with it, too.
Here is the real curve ball – I've also just bought a Surface Duo, new and sealed, for £280. I just want to try something completely new, in a form factor that Apple just doesn't offer, at a price that doesn't break the bank. That way, if I'm not keen, it's easily sold on with little loss (unlike splashing out on, say, a ZFold4). Recent updates have apparently made the Duo a pretty great device now.
So we'll see how this goes. In theory, I should have the best of all worlds – a powerful desktop PC, a slim and light companion device that serves as both tablet and laptop, and a folding dual-screen phone with functionality that Apple will not offer right now. We'll see how it goes!
Most interesting! I’m also finding Apple’s pricing in the UK a bit hard to stomach. Nevertheless, I’m not in the buyers market for an Apple device and am planning to keep my current iMac, iPad and iPhone for a few more years.
However, my new workplace are offering to purchase a laptop for me as long as it is Windows and within budget. Where did you find a Surface Pro so cheap, and have you found the ARM implementation to be limited or no issue?
If anyone else has other recommendations around Windows laptops for work purposes, I’d be incredibly appreciative!
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It's gone back up now, but there was a voucher code to bring it down to that price. I haven't had an issue with ARM, as I knew what I was getting into and the limitations. Most of the things I use - Edge, Firefox, VLC, Office, WireGuard - all have ARM-native versions anyway and for everything else, there's emulation. I have a decent desktop PC for heavy lifting and I figured this was a cheap way to get a modern Surface device with the latest design and form factor.
The other big factor for me was the Windows Subsystem for Android. I can sideload pretty much ANY Android app and run it natively - it's fantastic.
I was also inspired by this Verge video where they praised the X for now becoming a great Chromebook alternative. Don't forget, they aren't recommending buying it at £1200 - I wouldn't either! But at £400, it's a steal. I may even pick up a 1Tb 2230 NVMe SSD from AliExpress for £65 down the line and upgrade that.
The more I think about this, I think this is a HUGE drawback for getting rid of boot camp. I really do like the macbook hardware but the fact I can’t put windows (even ARM) natively is an issue for me.
Tech as a whole has peaked somewhat, year on year we just don’t see the huge improvements we used to.
Apples prices in the UK aren’t too far from what they used to be, you can also find deals with some patience. The value is there though, in how they last longer and resell for more.
Phones every 3 years and computers every 4-5 years now I’d say. No real use upgrading sooner.
I’m using a base M2 mini that cost me £539 and it’s astonishingly capable.
Pretty much this. I do laugh when people say things like waiting on Apple to do something interesting or only producing iterative devices. What more do you want or can you expect? Be happy with a functioning device that does what you want it to do and upgrade in years when there is a reason to do so.
If you're unhappy that Apple or any other company are not making huge leaps YoY then I assume you use them as fashion accessory more than a tool.
Both computers and phones are mature products - its perfectly natural to see less and less new features that are actually new features and not enhancements of existing features.
Every industry goes through the same life cycle.
Great! I appreciate your insight. I’ll suggest it to my workplace.
On another note, I noticed that Microsoft has a bundle offer on the Surface Pro 9 (i5, 8gb) for £999. For my personal creative projects, I think it might be worth giving the device a try, especially since I travel a lot and need a light, compact device due to my bad back.
Thus far, I’ve been using the iPad Pro 12.9, but it does have its limitations and I've always wanted to try a Surface Pro device. Does anyone have experience working with the desktop version of Affinity Suite V2 on the Surface Pro?
Im mega tempted by a surface pro... I remember being at a microsoft conference when they released the first one and had a special offer for us all to buy one. Queues were huge and I enjoyed the format but I haven't had one since because I felt the screen was a bit small for me.
I've always wanted a surface pro too, but the CPU's involved have always kept me away, they were just always to slow compared to business laptops. That's changing now since even the mobile intel chips are getting pretty fast, so I expect the next computer I buy will be a surface pro. I like the idea of being able to use it in tablet mode and yet have it act like a laptop most of the time.
Not interested in the arm powered one though...
yep. Because I like a larger screen, I ended up with a surface book 2 ... detachable screen to work as a tablet but then it's a very large hefty tablet. Since I use it mostly in laptop mode though it does work out! not sure the new studio would really do it for me
nah. Apple have shown how it can be done really well but MS are nowhere close with windows yet IMHO
Overall, I think Windows is close, what they really need is a X86 emulator on par with Rosetta 2. Performance is a major issue but Qualcomm needs to step up to that plate. Overall running arm windows on my M1 MBP, is decent, its just that not all apps run (some of the issue may be parallels, I can't tell).
Yeah it’s really too bad they don’t allow me to connect using Azure Desktop from Parallels…that was the dealbreaker…
yeah you're right, rosetta 1 & 2 are both masterstrokes by apple. I was always amazed how well they worked.
thing is, however I look at it, windows on Arm has just been a history of failures. We can say oh that one was NEARLY there, this new one isnt TOO bad, but end of the day they've just never seemed terribly motivated to get the job done not even now when the M1/M2 chips are showing them up especially in the laptop world.
No question, and if Apple didn't transition over to ARM and show how you could do it, the latest attempt from MS would have been sent to the dumpster as well. Because of Apple, MS has no choice to keep swinging away.
I don't get this from MS. I mean, likely they are working away in the background on this, just not making any noises but that is also an indication they are not too close.
I understand the difficulties for MS in the Corporate market, but they could really make the effort and focus on the home user and build from there.