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Ford Plans to Stick With CarPlay as GM Moves to Phase Out Support
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I don't want a Ford, but I appreciate them making the statement. GM/Tesla/Rivian; build something better, offer choice, and let the market sort it out. Until then, don't force your users to choose between CarPlay/Android Auto or buying your vehicle.
As an owner of a 2021 Mustang Mach-E (Job 1 build) and family members whom worked for Ford for decades, I'm impressed by how much Ford has turned around their software engineering problems in the last two years. Not perfect, but solid progress. Farley is doing a lot of great work pulling the company into EVs.
When Ford hired Doug Field from Apple, there was a lot of work in managing engineering of car technology. There's… a lot of cruft with the company and trying to right the ship is no small task. Yet in Mr. Field's tenure, OTA updates have vastly improved. Ford was the first to implement Apple Maps EV rerouting when Apple launched the feature. A complete redo of the UI that improved performance and feature accessibility.
It's not perfect and I don't need to list out woes in the Apple Rumors forum. The update process can go horribly wrong if something is slightly out of line with service centers needing to spend hours to update software (if they even know how). But I do give kudos to is a vast improvement of my Mach-E from when I received the car over two years ago.
When Ford hired Doug Field from Apple, there was a lot of work in managing engineering of car technology. There's… a lot of cruft with the company and trying to right the ship is no small task. Yet in Mr. Field's tenure, OTA updates have vastly improved. Ford was the first to implement Apple Maps EV rerouting when Apple launched the feature. A complete redo of the UI that improved performance and feature accessibility.
It's not perfect and I don't need to list out woes in the Apple Rumors forum. The update process can go horribly wrong if something is slightly out of line with service centers needing to spend hours to update software (if they even know how). But I do give kudos to is a vast improvement of my Mach-E from when I received the car over two years ago.
Yep. Hard to sell subs to people that won't buy their vehicles because of GM's stupidity.
Surprising to see Ford didn’t want to follow Chevy to further nickel and dime their customers. A good surprise with Ford is rare these days. GM will be towing a lonely line following Tesla down this road, especially when the garbage flies out of the can when their servers hijack vehicles.
If someone wants a C8 Corvette (that theoretically didn’t have CarPlay), they’re likely not going to cross the C8 off their list and buy a Porsche 911 GTS JUST because it offers CarPlay.
My contention is that CarPlay is just a tiny of fraction of what makes those cars what they are.
I’m just not getting how you think that CarPlay would be a top priority in a high-priced narrowly-targeted vehicle like high end supercar. My original comment was only directed to the inclusion of the C8.
Now I’d agree with all of you that for mainstream vehicles that we all buy like crossovers, sedans, and minivans and the like, the lack of CarPlay can and will sway decisions.
But for hyper-focused vehicle segments, having CarPlay/Android Auto is an added bonus, not the “meat” of the package.
Just my opinion as a car enthusiast.
I disagree. A very fortunate friend of mine refused to purchase a very high end - way over $100k - German car that at the time did not support CarPlay in favor of a competitor's car that did. He's hardly an Apple fanboy, either. He just knew what worked well with his iPhone.
I agree with you, where someone in the market for a C8 wants the car and the capabilities and is more than likely not the only car the person owns. The person in the market for a C8 will probably own their daily drive that will be an overall more comfortable ride, and then take the C8 out for some fun laps, to have fun, and maybe just to take to a car meet. While yes I also agree that the same person would be probably annoyed that say the daily car has carplay and the C8 doesn't, but that is all it would be...is an annoyance but not a deal breaker since that is the "fun" car
I’ve had CarPlay since I had my 2017 BMW G30 5 series. The wife followed suit with a retrofit in her BMW 2 series.
When I rent a car, I always ask for one with CarPlay.
And I would never get a new car without it.
Why?
Privacy, my settings, my apps wherever I take them. I don’t have to relearn or work out a usually over complicated system each time I get into a new car.
It’s a system that, just works.
As for Android users, they probably feel exactly the same.
So, like many others, I’ll spend my money anywhere but with GM motors.
Good luck GM. You’re going to need it!!!
When I rent a car, I always ask for one with CarPlay.
And I would never get a new car without it.
Why?
Privacy, my settings, my apps wherever I take them. I don’t have to relearn or work out a usually over complicated system each time I get into a new car.
It’s a system that, just works.
As for Android users, they probably feel exactly the same.
So, like many others, I’ll spend my money anywhere but with GM motors.
Good luck GM. You’re going to need it!!!
Having given this some more thought, it seems like the options for automobile manufacturers are:
1. Pay your own team to develop and implement an infotainment system for your cars.
2. Let Apple pay a team to develop and implement an infotainment system for your cars.
It just seems like option 2 makes more sense, unless there is something I am not thinking of such as automakers having to license CarPlay or something like that.
Edited to add that darngooddesign made a point about subscriptions that I had not thought of.
1. Pay your own team to develop and implement an infotainment system for your cars.
2. Let Apple pay a team to develop and implement an infotainment system for your cars.
It just seems like option 2 makes more sense, unless there is something I am not thinking of such as automakers having to license CarPlay or something like that.
Edited to add that darngooddesign made a point about subscriptions that I had not thought of.
Ditto except it was a MB GLS 450. We had a Lexus with 99k miles on it and Lexus said they didn't have CarPlay and weren't going to have it. Now we are happier with the MB (7 years now). Probably won't even look at Lexus for the next one either.
Thank you! That is exactly my point!
I’ve had wireless CarPlay since I purchased my late 2017 G30, you could say I have experience with it.
I will definitely agree, it’s not without its faults, but they are few and far between. And usually it’s quickly fixed by putting the phone in airplane mode and then turning everything back on. Fixed.
Older iOS versions were definitely more buggy but iOS 16 has been fine.
I for one am looking forward to the next version. I’ve also just picked up a 2018 M2 so I’m really hoping I can code CarPlay in as it’s prepped but not enabled according to the spec sheet.
carplay won’t let you watch movies or play games. Tesla will eventually allow this capability.
I am so addicted to Carplay, I won't buy a car without it.
I really, really miss car play in my Tesla, Had it for 6 years in my previous car. Stupid me just assumed all cars had it by now. Lesson learned, but I would probably have gotten the Tesla either way. I really don't like the screen and infotainment system, all the useful stuff is on the far side of the screen, while the useless graphics of the car and lane assists is closest to the steering wheel
GM has made it clear that they see car owners as revenue streams.
www.thedrive.com
Granted, they've backed off of the mandatory sub for most (but not all) vehicles, but CarPlay / android whatever cuts into their revenue for OnStar, which is hot garbage that nobody wants.
GM Makes $1,500 OnStar Subscription Mandatory on GMC, Buick, Cadillac Models
Remember how GM said it was gonna make billions on subscriptions? This is how.
www.thedrive.com
Granted, they've backed off of the mandatory sub for most (but not all) vehicles, but CarPlay / android whatever cuts into their revenue for OnStar, which is hot garbage that nobody wants.
This sounds like a boomer who doesn’t understand technology decision
My dad worked 31 years for GM and I've owned GM vehicles most of my adult life. I'm also a shareholder. One could argue CarPlay shouldn't make or break brand loyalty with a carmaker... but in this case, it really does.
GM, I may be only one voice, one customer, one shareholder, but I'm not alone in my opinion in saying that YOU REALLY NEED TO RETHINK THIS.
GM, I may be only one voice, one customer, one shareholder, but I'm not alone in my opinion in saying that YOU REALLY NEED TO RETHINK THIS.
good, if they want to create their own car operating system, that's fine, just allow CarPlay and Android Auto to work as well. not that big of a deal.
I think Ford and Apple also have partnered for a few things so it makes sense that they're not going to abandon something like CarPlay
I think Ford and Apple also have partnered for a few things so it makes sense that they're not going to abandon something like CarPlay
The EV game has barely begun, so of course Tesla is continuing to beat Ford - for now - as they've had a 10 year head start. Tesla has been able to so 'good luck' for now because there wasn't much competition that CarPlay loving customers could turn to. But as more and more EVs with CarPlay come on the market and Tesla starts losing sales because of it, they'll change their tune.
GM is not Tesla. They have no leverage over the customer when it comes to EVs - if they don't have CarPlay, customers will just buy a car that does.