Your car still starts if you miss a payment.
Ford Plans to Stick With CarPlay as GM Moves to Phase Out Support
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it's called insurance and registration.
Your car still runs without it.
So your only argument is that it doesn't exist, yet all signs point to late 2023/early 2024 launch. What happens if it does exist? You're going to move goal posts "well, it looks weird so people won't buy it and therefore F-150 beats it"?
Elon being late is the only you argument you have. Yet Ford is way behind.
"More and more EVs" sounds like another 10 years.
By that time, self driving is a thing (not just Tesla), and CarPlay will become completely irrelevant as you're going to be on your device anyways. Next generation cars won't even need a screen, you just control from your phone.
It’s a shame people in CA cannot cross borders to buy a car.
TechnoMonk
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Tesla lost money for years. It was money Pitt, subsidies and funds from the feds kept them afloat. First time they ever made money was in 2020, and had pretty good run in 21, and 22.
lol, good luck.
Tesla is even helping other EVs by opening up their chargers. If Tesla really wanted to compete, they'll just shut it off.
I'm responding to the comment "so I'm not sure how anyone is really beating anyone". Tesla today is *beating* Ford. You can try to spin it, but that won't change this fact.
TechnoMonk
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Ford is selling everything it can make. Tesla in fact if you look at the money they spent in past 10 years, it will take few more years for tesla to break even. Ford and any other manufacturer will go through the similar cycle Tesla went through. Tesla lost ton of money till 2020.
michaelprescott
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GM's "phasing out CarPlay" is probably one of the greatest "Buy a Ford or anything but GM" ad campaigns Ford could ever run, without Ford spending a dime on marketing.
azentropy
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Well some of the services you don't require a monthly fee. But yes, for the full experience it is $9.99/mo or $99 for the year. I only really use it 2 or 3 months out of the year as the "free" stuff is enough for me except when I'm taking trips etc. That service includes the data rather than using the iPhone and of course you don't need to have it tethered wired or wireless to the iPhone for everything. That was always a concern with me with CarPlay. I wanted to see CarPlay that isn't tethered to my iPhone.
if you looked at the money, a lot of those "subsidies" were loans that were already paid back. even one where tesla paid back 10 years early. https://money.cnn.com/2013/05/22/autos/tesla-loan-repayment/index.html
their debt is low, their cash on hand is high, and they could easily do share buybacks today if they wanted to.
regardless, it is a fact that today Tesla is ahead. and because they are ahead, they are beating Ford.
It is not a matter of beating Ford (and the other manufacturers of EV's) as they have nothing to offer or cannot deliver if they do. All automakers sat on their hands laughing at Tesla until they realized they were going to pull off the impossible: start a car company and deliver multiple highly successful care company. Add to that they only do EV's. The biggest pain for the Big3 and foreign makers is that Tesla has complete pricing control and can raise and lower prices as they see fit to crush the competition. Tesla also one-upped every other automaker by doing away with the model year crap. It is costly and needlessly delays improvements to cars that can improve the production process and/or add new features when they are needed. The remote software update has them all beat as well. They are so far ahead and are not putting on the brakes so expect every other automaker to feel the pain.
Probably right for some, but I still say not having CarPlay/Android Auto will stop people from buying any car. The hardcore people don't care, but most everyone else will consider this at whatever their price point is. The advantage of CarPlay/Android Auto is that your car's infotainment system will not be obsolete before you buy it. CarPlay keeps your car current.
JerSeattle77
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Sleeper issue. Most Apple customers probably buy reliability over savings. I bought American made cars in the past and knowing the long term reliability issues I experienced I won't be purchasing another anytime soon.
"70 percent of our Ford customers in the U.S. are Apple customers. Why would I go to an Apple customer and say good luck?"
The fact that Ford knows their customer base is 3/4 iPhone is unbelievable. I certainly am not doubting it, but am more than impressed that he knows. The GM CEO either is a buffoon or his customer base does not use phones because they have ruled out all phone users except those with Flip Phones and those with Windows Phones (if any still work).
The fact that Ford knows their customer base is 3/4 iPhone is unbelievable. I certainly am not doubting it, but am more than impressed that he knows. The GM CEO either is a buffoon or his customer base does not use phones because they have ruled out all phone users except those with Flip Phones and those with Windows Phones (if any still work).
4tune8chance
macrumors regular
Exactly! Now if only Tesla would do the same.
Ford CEO Jim Farley said that Ford has no plans to drop support for CarPlay due to its popularity with Ford customers. He made the comment in an interview with The Wall Street Journal's Joanna Stern.
"70 percent of our Ford customers in the U.S. are Apple customers. Why would I go to an Apple customer and say good luck?" he said.
Farley was commenting on car manufacturers that do not support CarPlay, like Tesla and General Motors. Tesla has never added CarPlay support into its vehicles, and GM earlier this year announced plans to phase out support for both CarPlay and Android Auto starting in 2023.
GM plans go with a built-in infotainment system co-developed with Google as it transitions from combustion vehicles to electric vehicles. CarPlay will be available in non-electric models, but GM ultimately has plans to switch to an all-electric lineup by 2035.
iPhone users have been asking Tesla to support CarPlay for years, and unsurprisingly, GM's announcement has not been particularly popular with those who are in the Apple ecosystem. By removing control of the infotainment system from Apple, GM and Tesla have access to more data about their customers, and can also push vehicle-related digital subscription services.
Farley doesn't think there's money to be made in the content that car owners consume in their vehicles, with Ford instead focusing on safety, security, autonomy, and productivity features.Having a familiar navigation and infotainment system in the car is appealing to customers who don't want to have to transition between two incompatible software setups, so GM's decision to drop support for CarPlay and Android Auto will be off-putting to those who have become used to the way that in-car solutions from Apple and Google extend the smartphone experience to the vehicle. No CarPlay will be a dealbreaker for some customers, so it will be interesting to see how GM's transition affects future vehicle sales.
Starting in 2023, Apple plans to roll out a next-generation CarPlay experience that will offer even deeper integration into new vehicles for manufacturers who choose to continue to offer CarPlay as an option.
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vipergts2207
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Hmmm...
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Tesla came into the market with something truly desirable and novel and people were very much willing to overlook things like a lack of CarPlay and the goofy yoke steering wheel. But we're now more than a decade beyond the launch of the Model S. These days other automakers are pretty much caught up or even surpassing Tesla and it shows with their cratering EV market share.
vipergts2207
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The number of C8 Z06's actually seeing track time is probably way, way under 50%. Most of them will be garage queens with some occasional spirited driving on the road. I've got a '23 Hellcat Widebody on order, but I have no intent on taking it to the strip. What a car is capable of and what it gets used for are two very different things. Just look at all the trucks that are never used to go off-road or tow anything as another example.