I want Jim to be like “If you want Carplay, Ford will have it…IN A VAN, DOWN BY THE RIVER!”
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Ford Plans to Stick With CarPlay as GM Moves to Phase Out Support
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I don't care, but only if those manufacturers who drop support for CarPlay/Android puts someone young in the position to oversee the development of their own systems, as now it seems like it's in the hands of old farts who lag so much that they don't notice their infotainment systems have 20fps and 100% cpu usage just because of single color background.
I don't think it would make me choose one brand over another. The brands brave enough to go alone will probably have something half decent.
Nevertheless, I'm sad to see support dropped. The reason being is rental cars. It's nice right now that almost anything they give you, you can plug in your phone and have that consistent experience without learning the vehicle.
Nevertheless, I'm sad to see support dropped. The reason being is rental cars. It's nice right now that almost anything they give you, you can plug in your phone and have that consistent experience without learning the vehicle.
I don't see a problem in this, IF the company manages to produce a great non-laggy User interface that is easy to use and it "just works".
But since all car manufacturers these days are cutting costs on all the wrong things, i really doubt it. The reason why apple Car play and Android Auto are so popular, is because car companies are completely incompetent in making stable, fast and great user interface.
But since all car manufacturers these days are cutting costs on all the wrong things, i really doubt it. The reason why apple Car play and Android Auto are so popular, is because car companies are completely incompetent in making stable, fast and great user interface.
The "Why" is quite obvious - they want to monetize the user once they've bought the car.
The stupidity lies in believing that's in any way a good or sensible plan.
Going to assume you don't care that your location and other information is being collected and sold to make money off of you in god knows what shady ways?
For example, your insurance company getting data on where you are driving, when, and how fast.
Both Car Play and Android Auto are stupid! It is a "software on top of a software" concept which only shows the car manufacturer complete lack of competence and capability to produce stable and intuitive infotainment system that can seamlessly sync with your mobile device if you wish to.
If a car has a superb navigation system, native Spotify/Apple Music integration, auto-connecting handsfree and few other central features that drivers normally use, nobody will use Car Play and Android Auto.
The only reason people use or feel the need to use Car Play and its Android equivalent, is because the car infotainment systems and software is usually garbage. This is a fact which Ford CEO (and many others) appear to ignore. When a car manufacturer tells you that they offer Car Play support, what they actually mean is "We can't really do better software ourselfs, so go ahead and hook up your iPhone to the car and get all features you need".
The only company in the industry that is heavily betting on its own software and hardware is Tesla. With over-the-air regular updates and Ryzon CPU, it is years ahead of the competition in terms of integration, capabilities and usefulness.
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Ever heard of carlease? (and volvo car subscriptions), basically subscriptions, you pay for the car but it isn't yours...
I'll be honest, CarPlay (despite Maps bugginess), is a huge selling point for me. I have two Ford Fusion Hybrids and a Kia Sportage, one Ford Fusion is the base hybrid model and the other is the Titanium which has CarPlay. The Kia also has CarPlay. Of the three cars, I prefer to drive the ones with CarPlay over the other two simply because of the integration. I use Siri to answer and send texts and make calls and to cycle through my playlists and songs a LOT.
We're actually looking to replace the one Fusion Hybrid (base model) and I don't think I'd really consider a vehicle without CarPlay.
That said, however, the dealer markup on vehicles in my area is INSANE. The dealership I take my Kia in for service has some nice vehicles but a 33% markup over MSRP. On a 40k car, the dealer markup is around $13k. Until those fees come down, I don't think I'll be considering a brand new car and might just stick with buying used at car places like Carvana or CarMax. I can see paying $20k for a few years older SUV with a warranty versus almost $60k for the same SUV brand new where a third of that is just dealer fees.
That said, we're still shopping around. The huge markup is the #1 reason I'm not replacing the Fusion immediately.
We're actually looking to replace the one Fusion Hybrid (base model) and I don't think I'd really consider a vehicle without CarPlay.
That said, however, the dealer markup on vehicles in my area is INSANE. The dealership I take my Kia in for service has some nice vehicles but a 33% markup over MSRP. On a 40k car, the dealer markup is around $13k. Until those fees come down, I don't think I'll be considering a brand new car and might just stick with buying used at car places like Carvana or CarMax. I can see paying $20k for a few years older SUV with a warranty versus almost $60k for the same SUV brand new where a third of that is just dealer fees.
That said, we're still shopping around. The huge markup is the #1 reason I'm not replacing the Fusion immediately.
That doesn't make it stupid. A smartphone is the computer most people spend most time with, so why not make use of its interface?
Even if it has those things, it likely won't have a good selection of third-party apps. Your preferred podcast player? Probably not on GM's platform. Your preferred navigation app (Waze, for example)? Probably not.
The idea that a car manufacturer is going to make a meaningful dent here is… bold, shall we say.
Yeah, well, GM isn't going to change that.
I would bet most users don't care about the Ryzon[sic] CPU, and it's not like CarPlay and Android Auto don't get OTA updates. Is Tesla's UI better-integrated? Presumably. Is it more popular than CarPlay or Android Auto? Doubt it. I haven't seen anyone say, "man, I like my Ioniq 5, but I'm jealous of Tesla's UI", but I have seen people say "I like my Tesla, but I wish it had CarPlay".
So I have 2 cars a Tesla Model 3 and a Mazda CX-30, I love both cars.
I've had 5 mazdas since the re-design withthe fancy grills etc, 2 were Mazda 6's and we've had a Mazda 2, CX-3 and now the CX-30. All good cars but the 2 mazda 6's and the Mazda 2 didn't have carplay, since we had the CX-3 and then the CX-30 Carplay was integrated and whilst the infotainment of the mazda is good, carplay just feels right! And I wouldn't personally want a car without carplay - Mrs I who's the primary driver of the CX-30 finds it so much easier to use esecially as prior to a journey etc she can go on maps on her phone in the lounge and know when she plugs the phone in she'll be able to drive off.
So the Model 3, thought i'd miss the carplay option of the CX-3 and CX-30 but my daily driver prior to the Tesla was one of the 6's which didn't have carplay. I have to say as a stock UI it is pretty damn good, it took a while to get it on an update but now have apple music to go along side spotify which is great, the ability to use Disney+, Youtube, netflix etc whilst charging or parked is really fun, not happy about paying the subscription but for what it can do it's a very tiny but still bitter pill to swallow
So IMO if a vehicle UI can be as good as what tesla can do, i'm all for it, but for ease of use, carplay is still a brilliant option
I've had 5 mazdas since the re-design withthe fancy grills etc, 2 were Mazda 6's and we've had a Mazda 2, CX-3 and now the CX-30. All good cars but the 2 mazda 6's and the Mazda 2 didn't have carplay, since we had the CX-3 and then the CX-30 Carplay was integrated and whilst the infotainment of the mazda is good, carplay just feels right! And I wouldn't personally want a car without carplay - Mrs I who's the primary driver of the CX-30 finds it so much easier to use esecially as prior to a journey etc she can go on maps on her phone in the lounge and know when she plugs the phone in she'll be able to drive off.
So the Model 3, thought i'd miss the carplay option of the CX-3 and CX-30 but my daily driver prior to the Tesla was one of the 6's which didn't have carplay. I have to say as a stock UI it is pretty damn good, it took a while to get it on an update but now have apple music to go along side spotify which is great, the ability to use Disney+, Youtube, netflix etc whilst charging or parked is really fun, not happy about paying the subscription but for what it can do it's a very tiny but still bitter pill to swallow
So IMO if a vehicle UI can be as good as what tesla can do, i'm all for it, but for ease of use, carplay is still a brilliant option
We have a Tesla X - and it is probably both our first and last Tesla.
Next cars will have carplay - period.
Tesla's are ok if they cost 1/2 of what they do now. But with competition from Germany - I think our next electric car will be either Mercedes or VW. Build quality is MILES apart.
With Tesla we can't get spare parts - so our have been in the garage waiting for parts now for 5 months. Both model S and model X have severe spare part shortage - and we are talking metal parts - not electronics components. Our insurance company will not take on new Tesla insurance.
Next cars will have carplay - period.
Tesla's are ok if they cost 1/2 of what they do now. But with competition from Germany - I think our next electric car will be either Mercedes or VW. Build quality is MILES apart.
With Tesla we can't get spare parts - so our have been in the garage waiting for parts now for 5 months. Both model S and model X have severe spare part shortage - and we are talking metal parts - not electronics components. Our insurance company will not take on new Tesla insurance.
Already have been for many years. It's called PCP financing. Most people will never own the car, just trade in for a new car/contract plan every 2/3/4 years.
Google is smart. The auto manufacturer accepting googles deal for this closed off OS is a fool.
Just seems weird. I get supporting it would be a little more work, but you give customers an option.
I use Carplay all the time for the alerts for trouble on the road. On the way home from out out town one time, it saved me hours stuck in traffic on a bridge. Carplay won't make a car a buy for me, but not having it, will definitely make me look elsewehre.
I use Carplay all the time for the alerts for trouble on the road. On the way home from out out town one time, it saved me hours stuck in traffic on a bridge. Carplay won't make a car a buy for me, but not having it, will definitely make me look elsewehre.
This is mainly Apple Maps and it is good at redirecting around traffic from my experience too. I’ve learned to trust it when it wants to change my route.
This decision worries me about there commitment with existing GM vehicles with CarPlay.
Will they phase out support ? Bottom line, what does this mean for existing GM vehicles with CarPlay?
Is it safe to assume they cannot remove CarPlay integration via a firmware update right?
Will they phase out support ? Bottom line, what does this mean for existing GM vehicles with CarPlay?
Is it safe to assume they cannot remove CarPlay integration via a firmware update right?
Tesla doesn’t really have a good reason and they may add support for at least CarPlay v1 once it starts getting real competition. At the moment they sell all the cars they can make. Supporting CarPlay doesn’t mean the car can’t have its own stuff too. The problem with GM is they do need to compete with Ford and Tesla.