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Ford Plans to Stick With CarPlay as GM Moves to Phase Out Support
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The F-150 is the best selling vehicle in the US for decades running. Tesla has no shot. They’re falling off. They can’t meet any of their targets and their sales are dipping. People are getting over their hype now that real car companies are making EVs. What other car company aside from Tesla is dropping prices right now? But sure, you have so much evidence, lol. Full self driving 2020, LOL.
LOL!
Raise your hands if you like physical knobs on your car dash.✋🏼
That CarPlay mockup that’s just one big touch screen is a no go for me. I want to be able to adjust volume, air etc. without having to look.
That CarPlay mockup that’s just one big touch screen is a no go for me. I want to be able to adjust volume, air etc. without having to look.
Luckily I have a Portable display unit that can connect to my radio that I get carplay on. It CAN be moved to any car I want. But GM is now lost points for me, but I could just supply my own CarPlay if needed.
I am not impressed with the Tesla dash experience. There are some whiz-bang things in there, but finding a key function while you are driving is tricky, the lack of CarPlay to give me the maps I am familiar with really sucks and their Apple Music implementation makes me login every time because it cannot seem to remember my login. The few times I have driven a Tesla on a road trip has not hooked me on their dashboard experience, but instead made me wish for CarPlay and a few physical controls for common functions.
GM obviously thinks they need to control the experience and collect the data like Tesla, but GM is not Tesla, and their new Google infotainment system will likely require expensive OnStar plans, as my father’s 2022 Tahoe does. The salespeople don’t tell you that up front. This is a racket cooked up by GM and is doomed to fail. People will want to use their phones and existing data plans, not some cumbersome system with additional costs.
I drive a Chevy Bolt EUV, and the CarPlay implementation is flawless. Hop in the car, and in 10 seconds or so, it’s good to go. Why GM would deny people this experience is beyond me, but I do know that this vehicle, my first GM car, is going to be my last.
Hmmm...
Tesla's EV Market Share Is Dropping Fast - Jalopnik
Tesla still may be the EV sales king in the U.S., but the automaker’s competition is quickly gaining. Automotive News looked at new-vehicle registration data and found that Tesla’s share of the U.S. EV market has fallen sharply since 2022. That’s despite the fact that Tesla has been slashing...jalopnik.com
Tesla came into the market with something truly desirable and novel and people were very much willing to overlook things like a lack of CarPlay and the goofy yoke steering wheel. But we're now more than a decade beyond the launch of the Model S.
Actual facepalm. Let's do some math.
If you outsold the entire competition cumulatively, you have >50% marketshare. Make sense, right? If you want to maintain 67% of marketshare, you have to outsell all of your competition cumulatively by 2:1. If you want to maintain 75% marketshare, you'd have to outsell 3:1 against all of your competitors. 80% marketshare, 4:1. 83% marketshare, 5:1. See where I'm getting at?
So if Tesla had 67% marketshare and Ford adds 100k capacity/quarter, Tesla would need to add 200k capacity/quarter just to maintain 67% marketshare. But then, say GM also added 100k capacity quarter at the same time. This means Tesla would need an additional 400k capacity/quarter to maintain 67% marketshare. That means if Ford and GM built 1 factory each, Tesla would need to build 4 factories in the same amount of time. The higher the marketshare you have, the higher the multiple needs to be to maintain the marketshare.
So when I see articles like this, it's a sure sign they have no idea what they're talking about.
TL;DR version: It says "Tesla’s EV market share fell from 72 percent in January-February of 2022 to 58 percent in the same time this year. ". 72% means tesla would need to be adding capacity 2x-3x more than all of their competitors COMBINED to maintain 72%. That's ridiculous and no one reasonable is expecting that
That's hilarious. Tesla has plenty of margin to throw a few more price cuts. What other automaker is profitable that can survive a few more price cuts? Considering Ford had to cut prices, it's obvious Tesla's price cut is hurting other automakers. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ford-cuts-prices-mustang-mach-e-2023-05-02/
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but Tesla customers are not 100% of EV customers. They are a large group now but the percentage of the whole is dropping as people choose other brands. Tesla’s share of the car market will continue to shrink as more manufacturer bring out more models.
I’ll be buying another EV in a few years and Tesla will not be under consideration. GM was but they have just take themselves out of the running.
That sounds like the problems are in the cars entertainment system. Carplay doesn’t interact with the radio or anything like that. Normally I would first point to the cable or the USB socket for connection problems but is sounds like your head unit is flaky.
apple music for me is buggy, yes. but that's a temporary issue and can be solved over time. and that's not enough for me to ditch an EV for another considering the vertical integration, lack of dealership model, advanced drive assist features, and future software updates.
never said they were
To maintain ~75% marketshare, Tesla would need to add 3 factories for every 1 factory their competitor builds. If competitors build 2 factories total, Tesla would need 6 additional factories. Unrealistic. So of course the percentage would drop. It's not realistic to expect Tesla to maintain 75% marketshare as they can't possibly build that many cars as the EV pie grows.
I've heard people say the same thing a few years ago and they ended up ditching for a Tesla. Primarily the reason is that Tesla isn't making money off of service while legacy auto/dealership is. The only real maintenance in Teslas are primarily tires and air filters, things you can do yourself. Don't know what legacy auto is planning for maintenance, maybe it's the same, but good luck.
zero data to back that up
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Ford cuts prices of Mustang Mach-E after Tesla moves
Ford Motor Co is cutting prices on its Mustang Mach-E electric vehicle and reopening orders, the No. 2 U.S. automaker said on Tuesday, the second time has reduced prices this year after a series of price cuts by rival Tesla Inc .
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 try again.
Good move by Ford.
Fun fact: Ford CEO Jim Farley's cousin was Chris Farley.
Fun fact: Ford CEO Jim Farley's cousin was Chris Farley.
It’s great that Tesla’s implementation satisfies your needs. I’m sure if I had a Tesla, there are times when I would use Tesla’s maps if I thought I might need charging on a trip. For most around town trips where I might need a map, charging is not a concern, but I am starting my trip based on a location either from my contacts or from a search initiated on my phone. I don’t use a google phone and I don’t use google services very often so it would be inconvenient to have to transfer that location information to the car. If I had CarPlay it would just display directly.
I use other apps from my phone when I’m in the car. The main one is a podcast app and all of my podcasts are on the phone. I know that my podcast player is not available from the google play store so I can’t use it directly on the car. I could use it with just a Bluetooth connection but that misses a lot of the interactions and information provided by the podcast app. I don’t want to give that up and I don’t want to have to use my phone while I’m driving.
We each have different needs. It’s good if the auto manufacturer can provide for your needs. It would be easy for them to provide for mine by allowing an option to use CarPlay but they seem to not think that my needs matter to them. For that reason, those manufacturers are not in consideration when I look at my next vehicle purchase.
They don’t really have to choose.
GM is going with Android Automotive (as did Volvo and Polestar). This is a real-time operating system but not the same as Android Auto. Android Auto is a phone streaming feature like CarPlay where the apps run on the phone but use a portion of the car’s screen as an external monitor.
GM has decide not to allow either Android Auto or CarPlay on their system even though it could support both Volvo and Polestar are using Android Automative for their vehicle OS and it supports both phone streaming system. That is just GM’s decision for their own business reasons.
Ford has announced that they will continue support CarPlay, and I assume Android Auto, too. The announcement was to contrast their own more welcoming policy against GM’s phone hostile policy.
