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It costs between $30,000 and $60,000 per year to keep someone in prison. That's similar to a teacher salary, or the starting salary base of a firefighter or police officer. Is it really better to jail this guy for 10 years than to hire a teacher for 10 years?

If I was a judge, I would fine him the maximum and order him to complete 1,000 hours of community service while on probation; holding his passport and preventing travel until he completes the work and pays the fine. Then bar him from ever entering the US, doing any business with the US, or owning any US property or financial accounts.
Yeah no kidding, rapists and murderers don't even get life. Locking him up for 10 years is an absolute waste of taxpayer money.

He's not a danger to society, Fine him and make him do community service so he can actually give back to society.
 
Yeah no kidding, rapists and murderers don't even get life. Locking him up for 10 years is an absolute waste of taxpayer money.

He's not a danger to society, Fine him and make him do community service so he can actually give back to society.

But he sinned against Apple and therefore should be fed to the lions. Public execution streaming live on Apple TV!
 
This has been going on for a long time. Intellectual property theft is one reason Trump placed heavy duties on some Chinese exports.

That said, I don't know why this guy got caught in this country. He could have fled to China and hid among 1.3 billion people, enjoying the money he got for this theft under a different name.
 
Wait... So Apple is no longer developing an Autonomous Car? (sarcasm)

Every time Apple steals other companies Intellectual Property (IP) (Patents) there are numerous posts on MacRumors about how these other companies did not produce a product related to their IP, so their claims to the ownership of that IP is not valid.

Applying this same logic, Apple is NOT developing an Autonomous Car, so they have no right to defend ownership of this IP. So these charges should be dropped because nothing was stolen!

Sure hurts when the shoe is on the other foot!
 
I would be interested to find out if he was here on a H1B Visa and what his yearly compensation was.

Why would that be interesting? Here in Silicon Valley there are thousands who work under. an H1B. And that's a good thing.
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I'm not sure how. He's now in China.

The criminal complaint states he's in custody.
 
Yeah no kidding, rapists and murderers don't even get life. Locking him up for 10 years is an absolute waste of taxpayer money.

He's not a danger to society, Fine him and make him do community service so he can actually give back to society.

Yes. That will certainly send a very strong message to deter criminals from committing similar criminal acts.
 
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Glad to see Apple found out and took swift action. Hope he gets the maximum sentence.
He has a family. Show the guy some mercy.
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Yes…a human who stole extremely valuable internal information, potentially providing it to a competing foreign company, and will most likely receive quite a hefty punishment for it in fines and/or jail time.

Don’t want to go to jail for a long time? Don’t do things that, if you’re caught, will result in your going to jail for a long time.
He was indoctrinated by his chinese handlers to do this. Give the guy a break.
 
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After many discussions and getting to know these Chinese colleagues, I learned that as part of a socialist country, they were trained from birth that no one owned any property and so the notion of copying some intellectual property was incomprehensible. They simply operated on the principal that property was community owned so anyone in the community could take it and use it... and anything they created could also be taken and used by anyone else.
I confess I'm a wee bit skeptical of this analysis. Even when raised from birth under "socialism with Chinese characteristics," I suspect your Chinese colleagues know not to take and use some rich industrialist's luxury car.

(Even my Chinese engineering-student housemates knew better than to take and eat my food - unlike some of my American-born housemates, I'm sorry to say - when the consequences would have been far less dire.)

I'd be more willing to entertain the possibility that the mainland Chinese (like some, or perhaps many, Americans) don't think of intellectual property in the same way as physical property, or even that decades of a systematically inculcated materialism have left Chinese society with a different set of moral values, but then I'm no expert on Chinese society, so I really don't know.
 
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Wow, you're a man with real empathy! We are talking about a human here not a dead product! Amazing how things are being worshipped and humans are being used these days! What a greedy world!

I think we have to take a much larger perspective. Just for background, I work in research and we had some seminars with the FBI. The threat of stolen intellectual property is real and should be taken seriously, because anything that has been stolen could be used to harm to anyone or any country. You have to consider the fact China does not have free market. All of their companies are controlled by the ruling political party.

Be very wary of any foreign national that you hire....they all could be spies......an extradition may be hard.

While I agree to a certain extent, I think this sentiment should be measured. In the academic "industry", about 1% of the internationals are spies, and we shouldn't let a small percentage taint a whole bunch of good intention-ed folks.

I have worked in US tech companies that had teams in China, and leading work that needed to be original in order for us to claim license/patent on it. I found countless times that my colleagues in China submitted content, signed that it was their original work, and I was suspicious by how well written it was. A quick Google search found word for word plagiarism of the material.

After many discussions and getting to know these Chinese colleagues, I learned that as part of a socialist country, they were trained from birth that no one owned any property and so the notion of copying some intellectual property was incomprehensible. They simply operated on the principal that property was community owned so anyone in the community could take it and use it... and anything they created could also be taken and used by anyone else.

Obviously in this case the guy was breaking laws and should have the full extent of the law thrown at him, but we need to understand what we are dealing with when dealing with anything in China. Its not "fair" to trade with someone who is trying to steal your property.


Not surprising one bit if a person understands what is going on in China right now. You can get exact copies of almost anything consumer related. That means Chevy cars, Macs, beer, watches - you name it! Rather pathetic if you ask me. This especially when you consider the lengths one has to go too to for an exactly duplicated car. Theft pure and simple.

http://www.dukechronicle.com/articl...arch-to-create-billion-dollar-chinese-company
 
I hope this person goes to jail for the rest of their life.

I wonder if the Chinese government was involved?

The ruling party pretty much owns every company. They technically don't have a free market when their government is centrally planning everything and everyone.
 
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And he has a newborn, as well. He probably had financial problems that backed him into a corner. I'm not saying what he did is excusable, but as you say, some empathy please!

Yeah those Apple engineers with access to high end secrets are often also selling matches on the street and sleeping on a corner under an old coat.
 
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If Apple's car research/development is a great as Apple Maps and Siri, in retrospective the theft seems a bit worthless?

Think about it, you need AMAZING AI for autonomous cars. Siri is caveman AI for almost 10 years. And Apple Maps? Something everyone takes for granted in 2018 is still a disaster.
 
It is treasonous behavior. These witches would’ve been burned at the stake in former times. Zhang deserves zero leniency. I hope he’s prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Is Apple a sovereign nation now?
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Its a special kind of sickness to rejoice when a fellow human being gets locked in a cage.

Most people care more about the victims than the criminals in a normal society.
 
Yes. That will certainly send a very strong message to deter criminals from committing similar criminal acts.
The max incarceration penalty (which he most assuredly won't get - cuz cooperation) isn't a deterrent either. Neither the specter of longer sentences, life sentences, nor the death penalty, have stopped criminals from committing crimes. They have increased the coffers of for profit prisons though.
 
The max incarceration penalty (which he most assuredly won't get - cuz cooperation) isn't a deterrent either. Neither the specter of longer sentences, life sentences, nor the death penalty, have stopped criminals from committing crimes. They have increased the coffers of for profit prisons though.

I disagree. Criminal penalties, in general, while of course being far from perfect and many times unjust, are still a deterrent.
 
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