Former Apple Employee Charged With Theft of Trade Secrets Related to Autonomous Car Project [Updated]

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  1. yg17 macrumors G5

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    Yeah no kidding, rapists and murderers don't even get life. Locking him up for 10 years is an absolute waste of taxpayer money.

    He's not a danger to society, Fine him and make him do community service so he can actually give back to society.
     
  2. tito2020 macrumors 6502a

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    Its going to be "AUTO" on his resume.
     
  3. VictorTango777 macrumors 6502

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    But he sinned against Apple and therefore should be fed to the lions. Public execution streaming live on Apple TV!
     
  4. Inkling macrumors member

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    This has been going on for a long time. Intellectual property theft is one reason Trump placed heavy duties on some Chinese exports.

    That said, I don't know why this guy got caught in this country. He could have fled to China and hid among 1.3 billion people, enjoying the money he got for this theft under a different name.
     
  5. Defthand macrumors 6502a

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    Would it be cruel and unusual punishment to make him spend a week in a cell with no one but Siri?
     
  6. developer13245 macrumors 6502

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    Wait... So Apple is no longer developing an Autonomous Car? (sarcasm)

    Every time Apple steals other companies Intellectual Property (IP) (Patents) there are numerous posts on MacRumors about how these other companies did not produce a product related to their IP, so their claims to the ownership of that IP is not valid.

    Applying this same logic, Apple is NOT developing an Autonomous Car, so they have no right to defend ownership of this IP. So these charges should be dropped because nothing was stolen!

    Sure hurts when the shoe is on the other foot!
     
  7. sdf macrumors regular

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    Or anywhere else in technology.
     
  8. citysnaps macrumors 68040

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    Why would that be interesting? Here in Silicon Valley there are thousands who work under. an H1B. And that's a good thing.
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    The criminal complaint states he's in custody.
     
  9. Colonel Blimp macrumors member

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    Or California, for that matter, since most non-compete clauses are legally unenforceable here.
     
  10. citysnaps macrumors 68040

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    Yes. That will certainly send a very strong message to deter criminals from committing similar criminal acts.
     
  11. codfromthesea macrumors newbie

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    this is exactly why I don't trust the Chinese... from their phone manufactures to people. communists will aways be stealing.
     
  12. BWhaler macrumors 68030

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    I hope this person goes to jail for the rest of their life.

    I wonder if the Chinese government was involved?
     
  13. DakotaGuy macrumors 68040

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    Well if he’s applying for a job at a Chinese tech firm this will probably get him the job!
     
  14. coolX macrumors member

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    He has a family. Show the guy some mercy.
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    He was indoctrinated by his chinese handlers to do this. Give the guy a break.
     
  15. Colonel Blimp, Jul 10, 2018
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    I confess I'm a wee bit skeptical of this analysis. Even when raised from birth under "socialism with Chinese characteristics," I suspect your Chinese colleagues know not to take and use some rich industrialist's luxury car.

    (Even my Chinese engineering-student housemates knew better than to take and eat my food - unlike some of my American-born housemates, I'm sorry to say - when the consequences would have been far less dire.)

    I'd be more willing to entertain the possibility that the mainland Chinese (like some, or perhaps many, Americans) don't think of intellectual property in the same way as physical property, or even that decades of a systematically inculcated materialism have left Chinese society with a different set of moral values, but then I'm no expert on Chinese society, so I really don't know.
     
  16. subroutines macrumors member

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    I think we have to take a much larger perspective. Just for background, I work in research and we had some seminars with the FBI. The threat of stolen intellectual property is real and should be taken seriously, because anything that has been stolen could be used to harm to anyone or any country. You have to consider the fact China does not have free market. All of their companies are controlled by the ruling political party.

    While I agree to a certain extent, I think this sentiment should be measured. In the academic "industry", about 1% of the internationals are spies, and we shouldn't let a small percentage taint a whole bunch of good intention-ed folks.


    http://www.dukechronicle.com/articl...arch-to-create-billion-dollar-chinese-company
     
  17. subroutines macrumors member

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    The ruling party pretty much owns every company. They technically don't have a free market when their government is centrally planning everything and everyone.
     
  18. Kaibelf macrumors 68020

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    Yeah those Apple engineers with access to high end secrets are often also selling matches on the street and sleeping on a corner under an old coat.
     
  19. trifid macrumors 65816

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    If Apple's car research/development is a great as Apple Maps and Siri, in retrospective the theft seems a bit worthless?

    Think about it, you need AMAZING AI for autonomous cars. Siri is caveman AI for almost 10 years. And Apple Maps? Something everyone takes for granted in 2018 is still a disaster.
     
  20. Kaibelf macrumors 68020

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    Is Apple a sovereign nation now?
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    Most people care more about the victims than the criminals in a normal society.
     
  21. 69Mustang macrumors 603

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    The max incarceration penalty (which he most assuredly won't get - cuz cooperation) isn't a deterrent either. Neither the specter of longer sentences, life sentences, nor the death penalty, have stopped criminals from committing crimes. They have increased the coffers of for profit prisons though.
     
  22. Colonel Blimp macrumors member

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    No, it isn't.

    It's pretty clear from the criminal complaint that Zhang is a Chinese national. Before you start slinging the word "treasonous" around, you should learn what it means.
     
  23. citysnaps macrumors 68040

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    I disagree. Criminal penalties, in general, while of course being far from perfect and many times unjust, are still a deterrent.
     
  24. ChKen macrumors newbie

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    Hahaha, hee-hee-hee... I guess he didn't understand that it was a metaphor.
     
  25. HiVolt macrumors 6502

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    Oh, I thought he went to China during his "paternity leave", so to speak. I guess he returned and maybe tried to go again.
     

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