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I definitely agree with one part of this video... Apple's lack of options to sell over priced dongles is hard to chew.
You see it as a lack of options, I see it as a much better, more flexible system. Given a choice between 2 USB-C/4 ports (with one buss) plus an HDMI, SD-Card Slot, and 2 USB-A, or 4 USB-C/4 (with two busses), I would much prefer the latter. That gives me much more flexibility.
There is no reason whatsoever why Apple couldnt make a laptop/tablet and add more PRO features.
What specifically do you consider ”Pro features”? For video production professionals, the configuration with 4 USB-C/4/Thunderbolt 3 ports is way better. In fact, given an option to add another 2 USB-C/4/Thunderbolt 3 ports (with a third buss) or two USB-A ports I would rather have the extra USB-C/4 ports, as there are things that a professional can do with that configuration that just cannot be done with the other, where as the reverse is not true (at most one needs a few extra cables).
Especially on the MacBook PRO line.... I mean it's named PRO for gods sake, not Macbook + give me another $1000
What $1,000 in dongles are you buying? For that matter, what dongles are you buying that are even $200? Monoprice has a USB-C dock that provides one HDMI, Gigabit Ethernet, 3-USB-A (3.2) and a USB-C with PD 3.0 for $48. That dock provides a much better experience for a user with one or two fixed workspaces (i.e. someone who has a desk at home and at work with a monitor, keyboard, mouse, Ethernet and even power supply), as it means that moving from docked to undocked is plugging in a single cable, rather than having to plug in 2, 3, or 4 cables.
 
The iMovie project? That's Gisele Bündchen.
Haha No. Want there a female version of the “I’m a Mac and I’m a PC” commercials?

Or maybe I am thinking of a different Apple ad campaign.

It was some goofy chick that spawned a bunch of memes that she was quite stoned looking. Maybe I’m thinking of something else.
 
OMG. I didn’t watch any of these ... time is too short on a busy day ... but REALLY looking forward to the obvious next step, where Justin eventually does an Apple commercial ...
Pretty much guaranteed not to happen. Once he did the Huawei commercial, I am pretty sure Apple decided never to hire him again. It takes all credibility from him as a spokesman.
 
I just saw the videos, and while intel is certainly desperate, all of the videos posted were dead on. You want to game, well a PC does it better. Want multiple monitors, PC. Want a wide selection of designs, and choice? PC again.

I'm not knocking the Mac, but just pointing out that there is pros and cons to both and Intel did a good job pointing out the PC's positives. Unlike their prior attempt using benchmarks which was down right embarrassing.

None of which are the reasons why people get Macs to begin with.

They are as pointless as Samsung ads. May get a few cheap chuckles from the faithful fan base, but it’s unlikely to change the minds of anyone already in the market for an M1 Mac.
 
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Is it kind of funny, that the "I'm a PC" guy is still happy to do Mac ads... but the "I'm a Mac" guy - isn't...
John Hodgman was a Mac user (there are quite a few interviews with him at the time talking about that). I could not find anything, but I vaguely remember reading that Justin Long was not a Mac user before the ads.
 
None of which are the reasons why people get Macs to begin with.

They are as pointless as Samsung ads. May get a few cheap chuckles from the faithful fan base, but it’s unlikely to change the minds of anyone already in the market for an M1 Mac.
well that's a self fulfilling prophecy, people CANT buy Macs for those reasons and so don't. I would buy a Mac tomorrow if I could game properly on it, could add as much memory as I wanted, update my graphics card when I wanted. I make a lot of use of a touchscreen displays, other's don't I know, but if Apple made a touchscreen laptop I would be all over it like a rash.
 
Yes of course they have, however before the M1 when they knew exactly the thermal needs of Intel CPU, they still crammed it in to a completely unsuitable form factor
The form factor was unsuitable completely because of Intel’s poor design/performance. That is the point. The M1 air with the exact same form factor out performs the Intel chip even in laptops that are not thermally constrained, and yet is able to do it without a fan.
 
None of which are the reasons why people get Macs to begin with.
People don't want to play games, or have multiple monitors or have a design that is probably a little better then just plain gray?

Do you know that Apple used to make fun of PCs for being beige? And now they're gray.
 
Is it kind of funny, that the "I'm a PC" guy is still happy to do Mac ads... but the "I'm a Mac" guy - isn't...
He is an actor, he is pretending to be the PC guy; it's irrelevant as to whether he prefers / uses one over the other; he's doing his job. Who is to say Justin Long isn't prepared to do an Apple advert again?
 
The form factor was unsuitable completely because of Intel’s poor design/performance. That is the point. The M1 air with the exact same form factor out performs the Intel chip even in laptops that are not thermally constrained, and yet is able to do it without a fan.
That is the point, exactly, we are in agreement; the form factor was inappropriate for the Intel chips that existed that they were putting in it...but they still did so nevertheless and continued to do so for more than 12 years, despite terriible heat, throttling, noise and battery life. They now have a chip that suits the form factor they created 12 years ago.
 
I just saw the videos, and while intel is certainly desperate, all of the videos posted were dead on.
Apple has released 3 Apple Silicon Macintosh systems that replaced three previous Intel based Macs. These ads are only even close if one is only comparing Apple Silicon to the wide world of Intel laptops.
You want to game, well a PC does it better.
You want to game, you are not considering an ultrabook, the closest systems comparable to the Apple Silicon portables. (Assuming by “game” you mean AAA titles only, as the Apple Silicon Mac systems have a very wide selection of casual games available).
Want multiple monitors, PC.
Nope. Intel MacBook Pros support multiple monitors.
Intel did a good job pointing out the PC's positives. Unlike their prior attempt using benchmarks which was down right embarrassing.
I agree that the previous ads were even more embarrassing.
 
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I'm not knocking the Mac, but just pointing out that there is pros and cons to both and Intel did a good job pointing out the PC's positives. Unlike their prior attempt using benchmarks which was down right embarrassing.
My point would be that, comparing ARM to x86 chips in laptops in the way they did it was pointless as they largely ignored the biggest reasons to use a laptop in the first place - mobility and endurance.

The vast majority of computer users are not playing high-end games or using more than one external display - the cherry picked comparison in the ads are laughable when you consider intel have an actual x86 competitor completely smashing them in the mobile and desktop space - AMD.

On a side note, I have a high-end, Ryzen driven desktop PC for gaming and I also use Google Stadia to stream games on my M1 air. While my desktop is a better experience I doubt the MacBook running stadia is far off a 'gaming laptop' which are notoriously expensive, noisy and possess horrible battery life.

The comparison just makes no sense and stinks of petty, desperation despite the obvious 'truths' in the ads. The computer industry shifting to ARM has been a long time coming, there will be difficulties but I contend - a massive percentage of 'consumer' and 'professional' users will not even know it is occurring.
 
Nope. Intel MacBook Pros support multiple monitors.
Yep - The Ad states that that PCs can drive more then 2 monitors and well I hate to break it to you but the M1 macs are limited to only two external monitors.
You want to game, you are not considering an ultrabook,
Funny, because my Razer is one of the thinnest laptops and it plays any and all AAA games
 
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People don't want to play games,
People do not buy Ultrabook systems to play games, although as has been pointed out, the Apple Silicon Macs work fine for game streaming.
or have multiple monitors
Apple’s Intel based MacBook Pro systems support multiple monitors.
or have a design that is probably a little better then just plain gray?
Are you complaining about the design or the color?
Do you know that Apple used to make fun of PCs for being beige? And now they're gray.
Actually, they are either silver or black, both better than beige.
 
The comparison just makes no sense and stinks of petty,
I take it as an attempt to show the differences, Apple does the same and cherry picks its advantages. Like I said both platforms have positives and negatives. Intel in this ad series isn't doing anything wrong, and its much better to show what PCs can do and what Macs cannot as a marketing mechanism
 
Apple’s Intel based MacBook Pro systems support multiple monitors.
Yes but we're talking about the M1 macs

People do not buy Ultrabook systems to play games, although as has been pointed out, the Apple Silicon Macs work fine for game streaming.
Certainly, but not Macs because there's a dearth of games available ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Actually, they are either silver or black, both better than beige.
You're missing the point - Intel with that ad is showing off you have much more selection and variety. With the Mac you have no choice. Its one design regardless if it fits your needs or not
 
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He probably has. 😉 Have you used it like a tablet?

I purchased an HP Envy x360 for college courses, computer programming. It's a bit bigger and heavier than the Thinkpad X1 Yoga, although, that's expected with a 15.6" vs 14" computer. As another comparison, the MBP 16" is ~0.18 pounds lighter and ~0.1 inches thinner than but otherwise similar to the x360.

I didn't buy the x360 for the 2-in-1 capability, the computer happened to be the best option for my requirements. Nevertheless, during class -- while we were in classrooms -- I did use the Envy in tablet mode a few times for note taking and some Web searches while participating in group work. Compared to an actual tablet, a 2-in-1 is very cumbersome to handle, much heavier and bulkier. Again, put another way, that Yoga is more than twice as heavy and more than 2.5x as thick as the latest 12.9" iPad Pro.

Plus this:


One more thing...

There's a reason. The Envy I mentioned above uses an ultra-low power, quad-core, 8th generation Core I7. It's actually not a bad performer. However, despite the CPU's low TDP, 15 watts, doing any task(s) that are even somewhat processor intensive sends the computer's fan into full-speed and you can feel the aluminum body as well as keyboard get warm. Granted, this could be HP having a poor cooling system design. Nevertheless, to be even considered usable in a tablet-type fashion, these computers need to be as thin as possible. So, I doubt any 2-in-1 can push great performance.
Back in college, I purchased a Tablet PC. It was a Toshiba Portege M200 with Windows XP Tablet PC Edition.

It was actually pretty awesome for the time. Surprisingly, it ran Half Life 2 pretty darn well. It did not have a touch screen, but it did have a stylus that worked well. I took notes on it pretty well, using the first version of OneNote.

But most importantly, the hinge was awesome. To put it in tablet mode, you rotated the screen 180 degrees and folded it down OVER the keyboard. So while it was certainly bulky by today's standards, it felt like a normal tablet. Today's 2-in-1s don't feel like a tablet.
 
Yep - The Ad states that that PCs can drive more then 2 monitors and well I hate to break it to you but the M1 macs are limited to only two external monitors.
I hate to break it to you, an Intel MacBook Pro is not a PC and it support multiple monitors. Either one is comparing the entire Apple line to the world or PC designs, or one is comparing similar machines.
Funny, because my Razer is one of the thinnest laptops and it plays any and all AAA games
Your Razer is three times as thick as the air at its thinest point, and 20% thicker at its thickest point. It is also 2 pounds heavier. They are not in the same class.
 
I hate to break it to you, an Intel MacBook Pro is not a PC and it support multiple monitors.
I hate to break it to you but this news thread is about the M1 Mac and that Mac doesn't support more then 2 monitors

They are not in the same class.
Agreed, but yet there's so many people in the M1 forum discussing game playing and so while you say that it seems people are buying M1 Macs and wanting playing games.
 
The dude's just making a living, man 😕
Justin has a brand like you and me. Our brands aren’t worth anything to Intel or Apple. They’ll never pay us a cent to do an ad for them.

Justin’s brand had value with Apple. I’m guessing it’s slightly below ours now. Even worse for Justin, future employers look at stuff like this and say to hell with that guy. He may sell stuff for us now but if we don’t keep paying him he’ll turn on us at first opportunity.

In the long run that’s how Justin’s brand becomes as valuable as yours or mine.
 
Yes but we're talking about the M1 macs
That is a disingenuous comparison. ”We will compare all possible PC laptop configurations to two of the Apple configurations.” If you want to compare only the Apple Silicon Macs than they should only be compared to machines that are similar in size and form factor. Otherwise compare the whole line to the whole line.
Certainly, but not Macs because there's a dearth of games available ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What? Are you arguing that game streaming does not work on Macs or that people buy PC ultrabooks for gaming?
You're missing the point - Intel with that ad is showing off you have much more selection and variety. With the Mac you have no choice. Its one design regardless if it fits your needs or not
If we are considering the whole world of portable pcs, we should compare it to the whole world of Apple portable devices. Apple has 4 laptop designs in three colors, and 5 iPad designs in 5 colors, but you are right, Apple will always have fewer choices than the whole world of PC laptops.
 
That is a disingenuous comparison.
Not its not, the thread title is literally M1, the advertisements are literally pitting Apple's latest CPU with Intel's.

What? Are you arguing that game streaming does not work
Your words not mine. What I said is you cannot play games on an M1 mac. Try and run Fallout 76 natively - it won't run. Yes, you can stream, but latency on intensive games can hurt you. You can install windows and play a game in emulation mode on the M1, though it seems performance will be subpar compared to playing it natively.

If we are considering the whole world
No, The ads are pitting Intel CPUs vs. Apple's M1, you're the one who's trying to justify it. I get it, for some people the platform wars never ended and Apple can do no wrong and PCs can do no right. To that end, I'll not beat a dead horse and I'll just leave this debate.
 
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