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Every one, huh? Outright lie. Find me an Android version of Auria.
Do you have reading comprehension problems, or are the Apple Glasses preventing information intake? I said that every single app that I have on both (and I have quite a few) is identical across platforms. I have no idea what Auria is. Surely, there are some apps out there that are better on iOS, and some that are better on Android. The vast majority - and virtually all the important ones - are identical. Some of the most important ones being the Google ones, by the way, and those are usually slightly better and better integrated on Android.

Funny you didn't mention your phone so we could do a comparison. Nor did you mention any specific Apps you claim load faster.
Nothing funny here. All Android flagships are much better compared to the 6S, since the 6S really plays in the midrange segment, due to its aged, clunky software experience.

Personally I have a P9. Check out this one if you want to feel blue. Hint: the iPhone doesn't generally do as well with app loading.


There are two major narratives for the iPhone:

(1) It's the only smartphone, it's the best, all my friends and family use iMessage and FaceTime, I have to get an iPhone and usually I'll do so on a contract, so I don't realise that I pay Apple a thousand bucks.

This is essentially the US narrative. It's mostly narrowed down to ignorance, but it's understandable. Once you have a heavy social ecosystem all locked into Apple's proprietary utterly basic functions (such as chat), it's hard to get out. I sympathise.

(2) It's fashion tech. And expensive. Way overpriced, and you have to show that you have money, and are fashionable.

This is essentially the Europe/Japan/China narrative. It's a way of showing off socially.

I know two people in Europe with iPhones - both women (one of them my sister). Both are very, very fashionable. The last time we went out with the other lady she was telling me how superior her iPhone was (I had just gotten the P9). Until I said, just show me what you do with it, and I'll show you how on Android I'll do it faster, with fewer gestures. And I did, to the point where she got upset, hugged her iPhone and proclaimed that she loves it. What can I say? Fashion tech.
 
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Dear oh dear... What a way you've tried to spin it! Pinch to zoom out and look at the whole situation. If Apple is still selling SE "for years to come", which is really an iPhone 5 design from 2012, then Apple will be on a glide slope to crashing sometime in 2019-2021. Absolutely iPhone SE was a desperate measure, otherwise if this was all planned well, a 4" would have been released alongside 6/6plus in 2014. Apple were so embarrassed with iPhone SE they barely dedicated ten minutes to it at the keynote. Many users have not upgraded to SE and are waiting for a true flagship 4 inch. Everyone wants the greatest features in 4 inch factor, not recycled trash from years earlier.

iPhone SE is Apple's most recent release, BUT it still contains many older technologies. Features weren't trimmed to make it affordable, instead old tech was incorporated to get rid of surplus components in supply, we see this kind of thing in "special edition" cars where car manufacturers create special models to get rid of older components. SE is not an affordable phone, and when you factor in the old tech it contains, it's a poor value product.

Steve Jobs would not have done this that's for certain. Steve Jobs' Apple was forward thinking and progressive. The Apple of 2016 is not progressive. Apple's past progressive nature was evidenced by truely delivering great products with new technologies at fair pricing. Steve would never have done this overpriced iPhone SE rehashed product with an OLD 2012 case design, OLD internals with NO force touch, NO retina HD display, NO dual domain pixels, NO second generation Touch ID, NO 5mp face time camera, NO 128GB option, NO barometer, NO better wifi and NO better 4G LTE. These technologies were released at least two years ago and still never made their way into the desperate iPhone SE released this year.

Total fragmentation and no inspiration. iPhone SE is a rubbish old tech product. This is just so sad for Apple and the true supporters.


Knowingly how outlandish your posts have been on Macrumors, comparing iPhones to deformed fruit, Bolding and capitalizing your posts to make your points will not convince forum members of your nature and delusional behavior. You have to be thee biggest Apple hater on this site, no joke.

You speaking for Jobs means absolutely nothing and is over played . You have no idea what and how he would have delegated the SE or Apple for that matter. So, the iPhone SE had a ten minute presentation back in March 2016 and your reasoning is because Apple is embarrassed? Your logic is so far fetched and distorted, it's not even worth trying to debate this with you. You are completely blinded by your hate for Apple, it's apparent in every...single...post you write, it's demoralizing.

The SE was incorporated strictly to appeal to the 4 Inch iPhone demographic, which is affordable and is doing well. The SE iPhone is the most affordable iPhone starting at $400.00 and it's over priced? The more I read your posts on here is completely over-hyped and exacerbated. The iPhone is priced where it's supposed to be, being it does not have the latest technology, which I already stated why in my previous post. If the SE had all the current 6s features, it would be priced way higher, so how is this 'Unfair' pricing as you stated?

Some choose to have an iPhone that does exactly what they need it to. The SE is a phone in which will last for years and it has the latest processor specifications. The battery life is outstanding. Those two features alone can sell the SE and appeal to a customer. Plus, the SE retains the 3.5 Jack, which is a strong point being the iPhone 7 may not have the Jack. In my surrounding Apple Stores, the 64 GB SE is STILL sold out. Don't rehash the same posts to me and say the SE is a desperate move by Apple. It was a smart move and will account as a global iPhone. I'm sure Apple is using previous internal components into the SE, but does that slow sales for one reason or another? Does the customer really care about every little component in the SE? Or does the customer want a solid, reliable iPhone that functions as exactly as they want it to? I'm guessing the latter.

Apple has a market for all three size iPhones to a specific demographic. I cannot speak for the future of the iPhone SE, but at this junction, most seem to be very satisfied with it.
 
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You actually think iOS icons are better?! wow! After Jony messed with them they haven't looked that great since.

iOS icons are much better, can you really explain that part of "Jony messed with them"? Because at most that's what 1% haters say.

iOS icons, contrary to Android, have consistent colors, consistent porportions (they have a grid that's respected, Android doesn't), they fit together.

Android is a complete mess in contrast where everyone has their rules, and proportions are random, even on Google's icons.

Besides, you do realize on Android you can change every icon from theme'ing in Launchers or icon packs in one easy swoop. Heck you can make Android look like iOS icons. This is such a weak argument since I can go into so many different ways Android looks better than iOS but it's a wasted argument to make since it's all just opinion.

That's really nice except that in the real world, no icon pack is big enough to cover all your apps, and inevitably the odd icon in the bunch appears in the middle of similar looking icons.

The very reason for android to have launchers with "icon packs", is because Android icons are a mess, some of them are even ported iOS icons.
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I know two people in Europe with iPhones - both women (one of them my sister)

Then leave your house.

I'm European, I'm male, I've an iPhone.

Your argument is sick, makes as much sense as those people that say "Android is for poor people", or "Android is for nerds".

All your post is complete android fanboy nonesense, tough. "Clunky" is definitively the word for Android, where you can't just swipe up from anywhere and turn off your house lights with HomeKit, or have AdBlocking in the main browser, or needing to have Pocket to have what iOS already has built in, etc.
 
Knowingly how outlandish your posts have been on Macrumors, comparing iPhones to deformed fruit, Bolding and capitalizing your posts to make your points will not convince forum members of your nature and delusional behavior. You have to be thee biggest Apple hater on this site, no joke.

You speaking for Jobs means absolutely nothing and is over played . You have no idea what and how he would have delegated the SE or Apple for that matter. So, the iPhone SE had a ten minute presentation back in March 2016 and your reasoning is because Apple is embarrassed? Your logic is so far fetched and distorted, it's not even worth trying to debate this with you. You are completely blinded by your hate for Apple, it's apparent in every...single...post you write, it's demoralizing.

The SE was incorporated strictly to appeal to the 4 Inch iPhone demographic, which is affordable and is doing well. The SE iPhone is the most affordable iPhone starting at $400.00 and it's over priced? The more I read your posts on here is completely over-hyped and exacerbated. The iPhone is priced where it's supposed to be, being it does not have the latest technology, which I already stated why in my previous post. If the SE had all the current 6s features, it would be priced way higher, so how is this 'Unfair' pricing as you stated?

Some choose to have an iPhone that does exactly what they need it to. The SE is a phone in which will last for years and it has the latest processor specifications. The battery life is outstanding. Those two features alone can sell the SE and appeal to a customer. Plus, the SE retains the 3.5 Jack, which is a strong point being the iPhone 7 may not have the Jack. In my surrounding Apple Stores, the 64 GB SE is STILL sold out. Don't rehash the same posts to me and say the SE is a desperate move by Apple. It was a smart move and will account as a global iPhone. I'm sure Apple is using previous internal components into the SE, but does that slow sales for one reason or another? Does the customer really care about every little component in the SE? Or does the customer want a solid, reliable iPhone that functions as exactly as they want it to? I'm guessing the latter.

Apple has a market for all three size iPhones to a specific demographic. I cannot speak for the future of the iPhone SE, but at this junction, most seem to be very satisfied with it.
First, thanks for the personal insults, it's really telling. Second, I do not hate on Apple. I criticize where I see a problem, and I also compliment and commend Apple when they do interesting and progressive things. I don't follow the sheep, I'm of a sound and clear independent thinking mind.

The point is Apple under Steve Jobs would not have done iPhone SE, it just simply wouldn't. What a ridiculous move for Apple the missing 4" iPhone 6/6s and iPhone SE experiment has been.

If "SE was incorporated strictly to appeal to the 4 Inch iPhone demographic" then sadly that plan has failed miserably. While your local store might be "sold out", the headline of this article suggests overall "iPhone Sales Continue to Drop". So thanks for your efforts in trying to sell iPhone SE in the forum here, but nobody wants one, and from the feeling of the forums in general over the past six months, mostly nobody wants iPhone 7 either, customers are waiting to see what will occur in 2017.

Customers are savvy these days and the only way Apple can compete in the market is to do what it had done best in the past and and make great progressive tech for a fair price. It's failing at those things at the moment no matter how you want to believe otherwise.
 
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Save the money and buy a GoPro Hero4 Black now. :D
GoPro Hero 5 is going to be released sometime between September and December. GoPro announced on June 20th that it will be out by the end of the year. I'd wait a couple more months before buying one even if you just want the Hero4, but the Hero5 will be so much better.
 
I'm European, I'm male, I've an iPhone.
You forgot very fashionable.

Your argument is sick, makes as much sense as those people that say "Android is for poor people", or "Android is for nerds".
That's usually the argument I hear from the iPhone side. I've even seen several people smirking about the colour of chat bubbles in iMessage. Apparently, blue makes them feel superior.

All your post is complete android fanboy nonesense, tough. "Clunky" is definitively the word for Android
Nah.

where you can't just swipe up from anywhere and turn off your house lights with HomeKit
Wow you got me there. Should I rewire the house for HomeKit?

or have AdBlocking in the main browser
Just like Samsung! Or more like, only Samsung, since on my iPad I get ads, and it's most obviously the only platform I have where I get intensely tracked.

or needing to have Pocket to have what iOS already has built in, etc.
You mean, the unnecessary offline mode? I have the benefit of being online, all the time. As for Chrome vs Safari, no contest there.
 
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First, thanks for the personal insults, it's really telling. Second, I do not hate on Apple. I criticize where I see a problem, and I also compliment and commend Apple when they do interesting and progressive things. I don't follow the sheep, I'm of a sound and clear independent thinking mind.

The point is Apple under Steve Jobs would not have done iPhone SE, it just simply wouldn't. What a ridiculous move for Apple the missing 4" iPhone 6/6s and iPhone SE experiment has been.

If "SE was incorporated strictly to appeal to the 4 Inch iPhone demographic" then sadly that plan has failed miserably. While your local store might be "sold out", the headline of this article suggests overall "iPhone Sales Continue to Drop". So thanks for your efforts in trying to sell iPhone SE in the forum here, but nobody wants one, and from the feeling of the forums in general over the past six months, mostly nobody wants iPhone 7 either, customers are waiting to see what will occur in 2017.

Customers are savvy these days and the only way Apple can compete in the market is to do what it had done best in the past and and make great progressive tech for a fair price. It's failing at those things at the moment no matter how you want to believe otherwise.

Wrong. You, Smacrumon, disparage Apple in every fashion and account for nothing more than a saltry opinion. I never insulted you and what I said is true to the point, being everything you say is recorded. I encourage any forum member to read your previous posts and it tells exactly what you post and your exhausted ideations. And I'm fairly confident this is not the first time your getting called out for Apple shaming.

Again, here you go with your blatant rants of speaking for Steve Jobs as if you worked next to his side. I mean, seriously? And nobody wants the SE as you claim? Where is your citation or evidence claiming for "Nobody." This was exactly my point, your posts are full of antic lies with out any accreditation.

Yes, Customers are savvy, but to say no one wants the SE? You put your back in a corner with this one and their is no way out. Please provide a source for why no one wants the SE? Do I count as no one? What percentage? Do you have access to the iPhone SE sales? And I'm not speaking for MacBook Pro's or any other product, except the SE. Sure Apples iPhone sales slumped, but how you can speak for one product? You can't! The SE has been on the market for six months! And all you have is your independent, free mind for the rest of us to believe you? No. Your wrong.
 
"Clunky" is definitively the word for Android
Let me elaborate a bit on this, and explain why "clunky" is the perfect word for iOS, and not Android (you're in total denial here, understandably, least you might feel foolish that your super expensive phone turned out to be merely grossly overpriced, and you were taken for a ride; reminds me of people who buy Bose surround-sound satellites/subwoofer systems and think it's hi-fi, not realising that Bose forces dealers, through their contracts, to never show and demo their stuff in comparison with other products).

Android, for a long time, has had a basic app registration policy (i.e. an app registers itself to handle a particular service or file type), and this meant that you had a lot of freedom in what to use with what, how to share and publish stuff. In iOS this was a late addition, and it's not quite as fully supported.

Android, from the very beginning, had a user-accessible file system. This is normal, it's an easy move from a computer, and it gives an extraordinary amount of freedom. You can just hook up an Android device to any computer - Mac included - and simply copy stuff in and out. iOS doesn't offer this, and it probably never will.

When I put music on my phone, I merely copy it from my NAS. When I put music on my iPad, I have to convert it to AAC, then transfer it into iTunes, then sync iTunes with the iPad. It's a pain in the ***, especially since iTunes is one of the most infuriating pieces of software I've ever had the displeasure to use. Just last week I wanted to copy more music on an iPod I keep in a car, and it stubbornly refused to do it claiming a "corrupted backup". There was no backup whatsoever, and I spent quite some time scouring the net to find a hidden command-line parameter that disabled the backup before sync. Why it wanted to back up the music I obviously already had on the computer, it's a mystery only iTunes developers know.

Take a basic use-case (I use my phone for business as well): someone sends you a document (as a mail attachment), you have to make some changes, then reply to the person and explain - in the message - what you did, as well as attaching the updated document. Easy stuff. Well, this was not possible on iOS without a lot of copy/paste hassle, for a long time, because iOS didn't allow the direct attachment of files. You had to mail files directly from the app you used to edit, but that meant that replying wasn't possible. To date, this is still partially true, since Apple doesn't allow attaching files unless they're from some net storage solution such as iCloud.

Or consider the multi-platform implications. Apple stuff works mostly in their closed eco-system. If you use several OSes - as I do - such as Linux and Windows, using Apple stuff makes everything harder. I can put Chrome on anything, sign into my account, and I have immediate access to bookmarks, my add-ons, saved passwords, everywhere. No fuss. Same for Google Drive.

If you noticed, there's a pattern here. One pattern has freedom, the other does not. No freedom results in clunky interaction with the platform. Sure, it will do basic, Apple-approved things easily enough. Move a bit outside of the Apple box, and you're in trouble on iOS.

When it comes to general OS interactivity and features, again, even with direct HomeKit control (i.e. solving a problem nobody has), there's just no comparison.

On Android, I can select text, and translation appears in the menu. In Chrome, I can select text, and slide up search results. I can reply to people directly from the notification. I have Now-on-tap, which means that if there's any mention of anything on the screen, I can get to it directly, be that on the web or in an app (e.g. it's a movie -> IMDB appears). I don't need to go into Settings to connect to WiFi, or Bluetooth. I simply long-press the buttons in the drop-down. To jump back between apps, there's the Back button. In easy reach, on the bottom of the screen. It's just so much more fluid and faster to do day-to-day stuff, there's no comparison.

iOS was designed from the beginning to basically present the user with a selection of apps, the user would click on an app, do stuff, click the home button, move to another app. Even as Apple has been scrambling to add more functionality to the launcher - mostly copying Android, unsuccessfully - this remains the basic flow. And it's very, very clunky.
 
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Wrong. You, Smacrumon, disparage Apple in every fashion and account for nothing more than a saltry opinion. I never insulted you and what I said is true to the point, being everything you say is recorded. I encourage any forum member to read your previous posts and it tells exactly what you post and your exhausted ideations. And I'm fairly confident this is not the first time your getting called out for Apple shaming.

Again, here you go with your blatant rants of speaking for Steve Jobs as if you worked next to his side. I mean, seriously? And nobody wants the SE as you claim? Where is your citation or evidence claiming for "Nobody." This was exactly my point, your posts are full of antic lies with out any accreditation.

Yes, Customers are savvy, but to say no one wants the SE? You put your back in a corner with this one and their is no way out. Please provide a source for why no one wants the SE? Do I count as no one? What percentage? Do you have access to the iPhone SE sales? And I'm not speaking for MacBook Pro's or any other product, except the SE. Sure Apples iPhone sales slumped, but how you can speak for one product? You can't! The SE has been on the market for six months! And all you have is your independent, free mind for the rest of us to believe you? No. Your wrong.
You are completely wrong and because you can not accept the frankness of my comments, you are just trying to misrepresent me and my approach to Apple. I do not disparage Apple in every fashion. Please refrain from misrepresenting me and my comments. When I see some thing wrong with Apple, I call it out. I've also mentioned many, many positive things about Apple in the past, I copy links below of just a few of those many positive remarks:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...osoft-tablets-combined.1985052/#post-23174581
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...d-larger-cameras.1981302/page-8#post-23101400
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-great-but-mysterious-apple-tv-campaign.1976083/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...h-two-new-videos.1965465/page-3#post-22757125
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...gpu-still-in-the-works.1979534/#post-23054904
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-during-wwdc-2016-demo.1978761/#post-23036952
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...for-wwdc-in-june.1971008/page-3#post-22866632
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-pro-for-charity.1967904/page-6#post-22806245
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...our-decades-of-history.1965200/#post-22750942


Customers
have held back on their purchases in recent years, it's not saturation but a mix of low rehashed tech, high price, and impure design aspects. Keynotes no longer even discuss Apple's business which is revealing. Apple is positioned as a high standards business, and when those standards slip, customers don't want to buy, they have no reason to buy. Customers need a reason to upgrade and they aren't getting that reason currently from Apple. They are however getting reasons from competitors.

iPhone SE uses old tech, there's no other way to say it. Just look at the Apple website for a
comparison of the tech specs. There isn't anything complicated about this that needs references and citations.

I'm being honest about Apple's current line up. Are you? Because anything else than honesty will see Apple become a lame rehash of the 1990s Apple, and this time the difference will be that it will end in complete bankruptcy.
 
First, thanks for the personal insults, it's really telling. Second, I do not hate on Apple. I criticize where I see a problem, and I also compliment and commend Apple when they do interesting and progressive things. I don't follow the sheep, I'm of a sound and clear independent thinking mind.

The point is Apple under Steve Jobs would not have done iPhone SE, it just simply wouldn't. What a ridiculous move for Apple the missing 4" iPhone 6/6s and iPhone SE experiment has been.

If "SE was incorporated strictly to appeal to the 4 Inch iPhone demographic" then sadly that plan has failed miserably. While your local store might be "sold out", the headline of this article suggests overall "iPhone Sales Continue to Drop". So thanks for your efforts in trying to sell iPhone SE in the forum here, but nobody wants one, and from the feeling of the forums in general over the past six months, mostly nobody wants iPhone 7 either, customers are waiting to see what will occur in 2017.

Customers are savvy these days and the only way Apple can compete in the market is to do what it had done best in the past and and make great progressive tech for a fair price. It's failing at those things at the moment no matter how you want to believe otherwise.

Where did you get your numbers for the SE?
 
You are completely wrong and because you can not accept the frankness of my comments, you are just trying to misrepresent me and my approach to Apple. I do not disparage Apple in every fashion. Please refrain from misrepresenting me and my comments. When I see some thing wrong with Apple, I call it out. I've also mentioned many, many positive things about Apple in the past, I copy links below of just a few of those many positive remarks:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...osoft-tablets-combined.1985052/#post-23174581
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...d-larger-cameras.1981302/page-8#post-23101400
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-great-but-mysterious-apple-tv-campaign.1976083/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...h-two-new-videos.1965465/page-3#post-22757125
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...gpu-still-in-the-works.1979534/#post-23054904
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-during-wwdc-2016-demo.1978761/#post-23036952
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...for-wwdc-in-june.1971008/page-3#post-22866632
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-pro-for-charity.1967904/page-6#post-22806245
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...our-decades-of-history.1965200/#post-22750942


Customers
have held back on their purchases in recent years, it's not saturation but a mix of low rehashed tech, high price, and impure design aspects. Keynotes no longer even discuss Apple's business which is revealing. Apple is positioned as a high standards business, and when those standards slip, customers don't want to buy, they have no reason to buy. Customers need a reason to upgrade and they aren't getting that reason currently from Apple. They are however getting reasons from competitors.

iPhone SE uses old tech, there's no other way to say it. Just look at the Apple website for a
comparison of the tech specs. There isn't anything complicated about this that needs references and citations.

I'm being honest about Apple's current line up. Are you? Because anything else than honesty will see Apple become a lame rehash of the 1990s Apple, and this time the difference will be that it will end in complete bankruptcy.
I admire your honesty and to the point facts! It's just a waiting game now to proof you're right! Somehow, even if the numbers proof it, people spin it off totally different. Your arguments make totally sense and I pity the ones who disagree. Thanks for your unbiased comments :)
 
You are completely wrong and because you can not accept the frankness of my comments, you are just trying to misrepresent me and my approach to Apple. I do not disparage Apple in every fashion. Please refrain from misrepresenting me and my comments. When I see some thing wrong with Apple, I call it out. I've also mentioned many, many positive things about Apple in the past, I copy links below of just a few of those many positive remarks:
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...osoft-tablets-combined.1985052/#post-23174581
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...d-larger-cameras.1981302/page-8#post-23101400
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/the-great-but-mysterious-apple-tv-campaign.1976083/
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...h-two-new-videos.1965465/page-3#post-22757125
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...gpu-still-in-the-works.1979534/#post-23054904
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-during-wwdc-2016-demo.1978761/#post-23036952
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...for-wwdc-in-june.1971008/page-3#post-22866632
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-pro-for-charity.1967904/page-6#post-22806245
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...our-decades-of-history.1965200/#post-22750942


Customers
have held back on their purchases in recent years, it's not saturation but a mix of low rehashed tech, high price, and impure design aspects. Keynotes no longer even discuss Apple's business which is revealing. Apple is positioned as a high standards business, and when those standards slip, customers don't want to buy, they have no reason to buy. Customers need a reason to upgrade and they aren't getting that reason currently from Apple. They are however getting reasons from competitors.

iPhone SE uses old tech, there's no other way to say it. Just look at the Apple website for a
comparison of the tech specs. There isn't anything complicated about this that needs references and citations.

I'm being honest about Apple's current line up. Are you? Because anything else than honesty will see Apple become a lame rehash of the 1990s Apple, and this time the difference will be that it will end in complete bankruptcy.

The only thing I will add, Steve jobs will not be around to save them again....if the 1990s rehash...
 
This is a different story to the UK where the SE was last months best selling phone, just behind the 6S. Which is much better then what Apple was doing sales wise, which then leads me to think how many iPhone 7 will they sell? If people are happy buying the current model I can't see them rushing for the new nearly the same one?
 
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This is a different story to the UK where the SE was last months best selling phone, just behind the 6S. Which is much better then what Apple was doing sales wise, which then leads me to think how many iPhone 7 will they sell? If people are happy buying the current model I can't see them rushing for the new nearly the same one?
Somehow I bet they will still sell a lot. Chances it sells more than note 7? Maybe so but that suggests better product doesn't always sell more
 
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I have only had iPhone , iPhone 5 and have never used other smart phones for an extended period of time , but why cant apple fans be honest with themselves?
I was going to upgrade to iPhone 7 but seeing all those leaks and seeing that apple wont push quality , has me looking elsewhere. (this is not even subjective, just look at the screen - it is far inferior to the Samsung S7)

I have tried the Samsung Galaxy s7 edge , a friend owns one, and i must say that the screen on that phone is almost magical. Its so colorful and somehow doesn't strain your eyes as much in a darker setting. Moreover, the bezels are so much thinner and the Galaxy s7 edge is a much more beautiful phone , in my opinion.
If the iPhone 7 had , at least, that Samsung Super AMOLED screen i would buy the iPhone 7 in a heart beat , mostly because I already have money spent on iOS apps.

To be honest, I find that the iPhone 4s is the most beautifully designed phone there is , if only apple made a phone like the 4S or even Samsung Galaxy s7. Glass on both sides and with that almost magical screen, even at 4 inch, with smaller bezels and new internals, the iPhone 4s design would be stellar in 2016.
My sister has an old iPhone 4s holding it and just using it a bit , i feel that apple has lost something.

I hope those leaks, very unlikely , are false and that apple has some aces up their sleeves. Apple fanboys need to open their eyes , no longer is the iPhone the top notch quality product. The Samsung Galaxy s7 Edge has it beat in both design and quality.

In conclusion, I would like to buy an Apple iPhone , however, I simply feel that if apple gives us the leaked iPhone 7 - buying it and giving them support for something so incremental - so outdated - would be like giving crack to an addict.
 
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I admire your honesty and to the point facts! It's just a waiting game now to proof you're right! Somehow, even if the numbers proof it, people spin it off totally different. Your arguments make totally sense and I pity the ones who disagree. Thanks for your unbiased comments :)
Thanks! It bothers me at times that forum members high-five each other when Apple is not performing at its best. High-fives should be reserved for friendly greetings and exceptional products and services. I have high hopes for Apple, but recent deliveries have diminished my confidence, so my comments stem from seeing Apple do some great things in the past and trusting that they will find a way back to simplicity and greatness.
 
Somehow I bet they will still sell a lot. Chances it sells more than note 7? Maybe so but that suggests better product doesn't always sell more

Why mention the Note 7? Which in the UK will sell very well because we never had the Note 5 on sale here, import only.
I was talking about people buying the iPhone SE and 6S, they seem to be happy buying that rather then wait for the newer phone and if the newer one is very similar to the 6S will it change that trend?
 
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Why mention the Note 7? Which in the UK will sell very well because we never had the Note 5 on sale here, import only.
I was talking about people buying the iPhone SE and 6S, they seem to be happy buying that rather then wait for the newer phone and if the newer one is very similar to the 6S will it change that trend?
Bet more 6 owners upgrade than 6s I would imagine

Then again many will upgrade every year. It's hard to tell how many up grade till we know what the phone will bring. Better camera might be enough for a lot of people
 
well.... I can say i won't upgrade... You already have my vote...

If my iPhone 6 ever dies... I'm switching to OnePlus3..

Better in every most ways... Apple and Samsung can continue battling out in all areas if they like, while i leave both of them for dead. I doubt my iphone will ever crock, but he's hoping.

Maybe i'll get lucky.
 
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Nothing funny here. All Android flagships are much better compared to the 6S, since the 6S really plays in the midrange segment, due to its aged, clunky software experience.

Personally I have a P9. Check out this one if you want to feel blue. Hint: the iPhone doesn't generally do as well with app loading.


Not sure if i'm just viewing this wrong, or reading something wrong... however it seems that you were trying to claim the P9 is faster, then proceed to show us a video in which the 6S loaded most apps quicker? I just woke up so I'm thoroughly confused.
 
Thanks! It bothers me at times that forum members high-five each other when Apple is not performing at its best. High-fives should be reserved for friendly greetings and exceptional products and services. I have high hopes for Apple, but recent deliveries have diminished my confidence, so my comments stem from seeing Apple do some great things in the past and trusting that they will find a way back to simplicity and greatness.
Can't agree with you more. I think the market will force Apple to change. It's a pity that those change will come from numbers/profits and not driven by delivering the best. Apple made history in computers and mobile phones, we both and most give them credit for that.

But that isn't an excuse how they're behaving now. They still want to give you the impression that they're at the forefront of high tech and that those prices are justified for it. I find it an insult to their customers and even long time fans like you and me aren't buying that anymore.

The iPhone 7 will without a doubt sell good. But gone are the days of innovative leadership. Not only in hardware, but software too.

Unless a miracle happens, and I personally doubt that, they're heading for a steady decline. And by today's standard, they deserve it.

I'm thinking they're leaving the phone and computer business all together because they aren't able to compete. They are searching for more lucrative markets, like cars or something. 2016 will be remembered as a turning point. Nobody cares if the iPhone is 0.5 sec faster then the competition. That same competition is designing beautiful phones at a reasonable price.

People will come up with the eco system, but let's be honest:
Siri is a joke compared to Google now
Maps is a joke compared to Google maps
Cloud services are way overpriced and not on par with the competition

I think their new to be introduced file system will see the light of day next year, so you can have the same file system and/or compatible with OS X and iOS. Hardware wise they've lost the race.

Everybody who is waiting for the iPhone 8 miracle next year (which will be a good phone) is going to be disappointed to see other brands will have or pass that design in specs and features.

The only hardware thing what's Apple is their A10/11. Other parts come from the open market where everybody can take from. And those other brands will beat Apple to market, like they're doing now and selling those same hardware at market conform price.

People who brag that Apple is making the most profits should consider the reason why. It's because their margins are very high for that same hardware compared to others.

And those same people bragging about the screen of the hyped iPhone 8 should also know that that same screen will be made by Samsung.
 
GoPro Hero 5 is going to be released sometime between September and December. GoPro announced on June 20th that it will be out by the end of the year. I'd wait a couple more months before buying one even if you just want the Hero4, but the Hero5 will be so much better.

I already have mine. I've had it for about six months now. Good to know about the new one but I think I am set unless it improves battery life. :D
 
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