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....I hope Apple is working to make it even more secure and so they can really do nothing to help. Then their potential to assist/cooperate is very limited (perhaps still iCloud backups if those can't be secured further without making the user experience horrendous for the common person). That would certainly get me to upgrade to a newer iPhone.

I am sure they are doing this as rapidly as possible (i.e. eliminate the Apple Update without a password vulnerability). Word is they are trying to make their iCloud information inaccessible to themselves as well - which would p/off alot of the govts who are used to that access.

I think the real question is can they get these changes deployed before they get outlawed? In the current environment here in the U.S. I could see legislation being immediately passed to prohibit this after its deployed (or before if the surveilance goons get nervous enough).
 
My legal French is not the best (okay, honestly, it's non-existent) but if they really only wanna have access to encrypted data (as this article states), well, here you have it. Have fun with the zeros and ones without the keys… ;)
 
The precedent has already been set. No one cared when the gov of India forced Blackberry to give up encryption keys. Most normal people won't care if Apple is forced to make a backdoor.

You mean the "normal" people that don't understand what civil liberties are about or how they relate to their life and freedoms, and likely don't even know who Washington DC is named for:


But there are plenty of "freaks" like me who do understand the slippery slope here.

Your India example is very much not comparable here. In that case BB possessed keys. In this case Apple does not. Governments are trying to force Apple, a private concern, to make keys for them. Very different situation.
 
Unbelievable how fear can be used to strip away the most basic human rights.

It is not a violation of basic human rights. If you accept the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights as covering the basic human rights, all it declares is this: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence...". (Article 12; http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/). Maybe that's not sweeping enough but that's currently the most agreed upon definitions of basic rights.

Breaking the encryption of a suspected terrorist's phone is not "arbitrary interference" (although it could be).

But that's not what the law looks like. The law (if the authors are to believed) is not about forcing companies to break encryption, just to share data: "The target is to have them cooperate. The aim is not to break the encryption -- the principle is that manufacturers should cooperate.'" That might not be true (but without knowing the lawmaker, I don't have evidence to disbelieve it) but all it sounds like to me is that they just want access to the encrypted data. In that case, let them have it and try to figure out how to decrypt it. Apple doesn't have to break the encryption, just pass on the data.

Of course, my reading of the Bloomberg article could be wrong (or its reporting wrong) but that's what it look like to me. I'd read the proposed bill if I could read French but because I can't, I'm going to have to suspend judgment on this.
 
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French Emergency Powers now Permanent

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This is absolutely insane.

I guess you haven't been to New York City since September 11, 2001, have you?

This is exactly what every major city in the U.S. looks like these days. But, hey, were safer, right? :rolleyes:
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France ... 'nough said.

First they take the sheeples guns away that they can't protect themselves and then they take the peoples rights away, so Big Brother can watch them...

Um, Meister, you do realize that Donald Trump supports the FBI in this issue, don't you?

It appears that the only issue politicians around the world can agree on is the need to strip the people of their basic human rights.
 
The problem has been with the free movement within the EU - once passed the outer borders. Some of the EU is now waking up to the results of such a policy, but, if there is a weak point/opening somewhere within, the invasion continues unabated. There is no excuse for the UK having a problem - they created it!

But a lot of those borders have now been closed and migrants are still an issue.
 
I guess you haven't been to New York City since September 11, 2001, have you?

This is exactly what every major city in the U.S. looks like these days. But, hey, were safer, right? :rolleyes:
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Um, Meister, you do realize that Donald Trump supports the FBI in this issue, don't you?

It appears that the only issue politicians around the world can agree on is the need to strip the people of their basic human rights.
I know.
And I strongly disagree with him on this topic.

I hope that he is just saying these things to get elected.
 
But there are plenty of "freaks" like me who do understand the slippery slope here.

Your India example is very much not comparable here. In that case BB possessed keys. In this case Apple does not. Governments are trying to force Apple, a private concern, to make keys for them. Very different situation.

So you are OK if the FBI forces Apple to hand over the signing keys to digitally sign iOS? With those keys, the FBI doesn't need Apple to make anything. The FBI can just hex edit the max 10 tries to a different number, resign the modified iOS with the key and install it.

I know there are some people that care about the current iPhone encryption situation but my point is American iPhone users didn't care when something similar happened before just because it was not an iPhone or happening in USA. Precedent was already set. Apple didn't speak up for Blackberry, so maybe Apple deserves this.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.​
 
So you are OK if the FBI forces Apple to hand over the signing keys to digitally sign iOS? With those keys, the FBI doesn't need Apple to make anything. The FBI can just hex edit the max 10 tries to a different number, resign the modified iOS with the key and install it.

Uh, no. If you've read my posts I'm 100% against the gov't forcing Apple or any other private entity or citizen from making something that does not exist.
 
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The French didn't surrender for the first time in their history.

Yes they did. They surrendered their liberty. Again...
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France is taking no guff from an American computer company. Bravo. From the country that brought you the guillotine. They mean business.

For Sale: One French military rifle. Never fired. Only dropped once.
 
Fear has never been a good guide for policy decisions.
What a sad state of existence the "free" world is entering.
I had always thought Europe was smarter than that.
Scary, when one by one every dystopian future Sci-Fi flick I grew up with is become Sci-Fact.
 
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The French didn't surrender for the first time in their history.

Before the French get all uptight, they should remember the Rainbow Warrior, a Greenpeace ship they bombed in New Zealand, killing one person. The French military committed an act of terrorism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior
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France is taking no guff from an American computer company. Bravo. From the country that brought you the guillotine. They mean business.

From the people who committed a terrorist act in New Zealand, the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior, the greenpeace flag ship.
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France ... 'nough said.

First they take the sheeples guns away that they can't protect themselves and then they take the peoples rights away, so Big Brother can watch them...

14 US citizens killed by terrorists
14,000 US citizens killed by US citizens each year.
 
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Unfortunately France turned almost into a totalitarian state after the last terrorist attack. Civil rights from each of it's inhabitants are been washed away all in name of the so called "security". It's a very sad development to see unfold in more and more EU countries, especially in the USA.
 
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