Ouch. I bet you buy a new phone yearly. Am I right?
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No. No one has even suggested that. But thank you for your input, as misguided as it is.
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French Consumer Fraud Group Investigating Apple for 'Alleged Deception' and 'Planned Obsolescence'
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Ouch. I bet you buy a new phone yearly. Am I right?
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No. No one has even suggested that. But thank you for your input, as misguided as it is.
Apple isnt FORCING a user to update. If you dont want slower performance, stick with the iOS Version number which was designed for your iPhone.
Todays hardware isnt released to be better in 5 years. It will always be the best on release.
It isn't a 'design problem', the battery is wearing out and you're faced with two options:
1) Don't throttle resulting in a phone that spontaneously shutting down.
2) Throttle the phone and people can keep using the phone but find it slightly slower.
If there was one thing that Apple did fail to do then it was explaining to the end user what they were actually doing which would have avoided the fiasco in the first place. Btw 'no Android blah blah blah', we don't know what is happening in the Android world, there could be people just finding their phone isn't as reliable as when they first bought it, they take it in and get told it just needs a new battery. Maybe Apple should have just decided not to throttle and tell customers, "hahahaha, sucks to be you, you need a new battery". Btw, how about reading what I actually write instead of pulling stuff out of your ass - it is clear that I am not bringing up Android as a diversion but actually pointing that this is an industry wide issue that needs addressing and there needs to be a broader investigation into practices within the IT industry regarding planned obsolescence.
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“First and foremost, we have never -- and would never -- do anything to intentionally shorten the life of any Apple product, or degrade the user experience to drive customer upgrades.”
Well, it got me to upgrade. My iPhone 6+ was so slow I couldn’t work anymore. It forced me to upgrade.
Well, it got me to upgrade. My iPhone 6+ was so slow I couldn’t work anymore. It forced me to upgrade.
Of course not. But how else would one get the important security fixes for Meltdown or Spectre and similar hacks? Please do tell.
My Windows 7 PC is six years old updated with the latest Windows bug fixes, faster than when bought new because I removed all the bloatware from HP.
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This is the second case in France, their is an anti obsolescence group who is also taoingApple to court, on France it is an actual crime to market devices with planned obsolescence and can have a 2 year jail term, they have raised the case against Apple France.
So that case and this one shows France isn’t happy with Apple at the moment!
So that case and this one shows France isn’t happy with Apple at the moment!
I swear I think Apple could shoot people and some Apple fans would call it good customer relations.
A phone "spontaneously shutting down" when the battery ages, is a design problem. It would probably require more than a new battery to properly fix it, and that is the big problem they are trying to skate over by appeasing people temporarily with a cheap battery replacement. And a year later when the cheap replacement is no longer available, then what? Its lame. Just like "you are holding it wrong" was lame.
And we do know what is going on in the "Android world". The major Android OEMs have gone on record that they do not throttle their phones to keep them from spontaneously shutting down. This is all Apple.
Actually they are, because they make it so apps have to update for new OS versions and some wil only work with certain OS versions because that’s how Apple want it, not to mention the persistent update messages and having to enter your pin just to postpone the update!
You can put money on the "it's going to be dropped" part. I've yet to see anyone suing Apple provide evidence that would support hardware deficiency, and Apple will have plenty of scientific evidence regarding the limitations of lithium ion batteries PLUS records of all of the complaints they received regarding shutdowns. They can even cite the Chinese government as applying pressure for Apple to provide a fix for shutdowns.
The entire issues rests on whether Apple can be held liable for saying iOS was updated with "power management" rather than going into specifics about what that consisted of. That seems like a sketchy case to me if the "power management" was solving a problem that customers (and other governments) complained about.
The entire issues rests on whether Apple can be held liable for saying iOS was updated with "power management" rather than going into specifics about what that consisted of. That seems like a sketchy case to me if the "power management" was solving a problem that customers (and other governments) complained about.
What does Apple providing evidence for their incompetence have anything to do with customer's agreement of their device being throttled?
God help us when clueless people mistake ignorance for facts. What's you next task, tell nuclear power engineers that they don't know what they're doing either? Do you know ANYTHING about the layout of the cores on modern day smartphones? Are you even aware that, for example, the A10 Fusion has a version of big.LITTLE architecture, with 2 high speed cores and 2 efficiency cores? Are you totally obvious that the CPU is now half the story, that the 7 and 7 Plus for example come with a 6 core GPU? Do you even care that there's a dedicated Motion chip with the A10 - the M10?
If it does't add up to much, then how come my Nexus 6 with 50% of battery life would power down the moment I fired up ANYTHING with Waze.
Jeez...
Low charge, cold, or an old battery are not examples of incompetence by Apple. Those are examples of the limitations of lithium ion technology. Apple can't be held liable for those in court. What France or anyone else needs to prove is that there was something misleading or detrimental to customers about providing a solution to auto shutdowns due to low current from the battery. That doesn't sound like something easy to prove in court. After all, it's not like Apple refuses to provide battery checks or information about what EOL for the battery is considered to be. And it's not like there aren't troubleshooting steps that customers can follow for performance issues prior to focusing on the battery. It all boils down to "power management" not providing the same level of information as "low current in these specific conditions can cause an auto shutdown".
Never said it was as mature as OSX, either way, both OS’s are very mature at this point. The evidence I’ve gathered is that planned obsolescence exists and will continue to exist as long as Apple tries to get you to upgrade every third or forth year. Naysayers will naysay, but my iPad Air disagrees.
Designing a product that is battery powered and becomes unstable as the battery ages is incompetence by Apple. I've never had any battery powered products that behaved that way. As the battery ages, the battery life gets shorter until it needs to be plugged in to work at all.
Oh so because you never had it, it doesn’t exist anywhere else? Nice. The reason you don’t see it blow up anywhere except with Apple is because nobody else is as popular as them. Samsung’s laggy touch wiz never seemed to really make mainstream headlines, neither did the Nexus 6P being forced to run on slower cores. My first smartphone, the droid 2, died with 20-30% battery life and that was ~8 years ago.
You can keep posting the same thing over and over again, but I don’t think anyone is changing their position on this.
you wouldnt. Which is why people update to the latest OS. But they dont expect their computer to be running the same speed on a more demanding OS.
Hence, if you dont want to slow down but want to keep up with modern software demands? Then keep up with modern hardware. Logic
Your example makes no sense, as you initially had bloatware. I’m pretty sure you are just trolling now. Next I will say i used to have 302 apps when i was running ios7, and 200mb of space available. Ios11 runs faster now that i have a clean install and only stock apps. Ie ios11 is faster.
See how that is flawed?
Burn those corporate greedy pigs on the stake! Apple after all is just another corporation that aims to take as much of your money as it can. Looking forward to the court’s decision in that.
Are you refering to the 64bit move?
Are we also going to be complaining some PowerPC applications are no longer around too?
There is fantastic reasoning behind why Apple forces developers to build to the newest standard. Heres a few simple ones
1. It allows their code to become more streamlined by chucking out the old processes. Means less bugs and better battery life
2. Better performance and use of newer technologies
3. Keeps the app store up to date and eliminates staleness.
If you prefer an app from 2008, 32bit, has never heard of anything close to an a11 chip, not remotely optimized - running on your iphone X, then I think you would be alone in that queue..
So now we are playing the, "poor Apple, everyone is picking on them because they are popular" card? And trying to deflect by bringing up other companies and things that have nothing to do with what Apple has done here.
My experience is my experience. My opinion is my opinion. I don't care if you change your position or not. Unless you've polled MR's users, you don't speak for them. As I said, I think some Apple fans have their head so far up Mr. Cooks backside that nothing would change their opinion that Apple is incapable of doing anything wrong. As someone who has used, and continues to use, products from many vendors including Apple, my opinion I believe is pretty objective. I will share it if I wish.
Bang, bang. Shoot 'em up, shoot 'em up. Bang, bang. Bang, bang. Bang, bang. Bang, bang.
Good for you guys. Asian markets should be all over this too since Apple wants to sell its products in your countries so much. Keep em honest. Oust Cook & Co. and get some fresh idea makers in there that arent just about making money and incremental iterations.
Good for you guys. Asian markets should be all over this too since Apple wants to sell its products in your countries so much. Keep em honest. Oust Cook & Co. and get some fresh idea makers in there that arent just about making money and incremental iterations.
lol planned obsolescence.. I thought Aliens crash landing in Roswell was far fetched. Good grief, more nonsense. Every day I feel dumber for reading this stuff. Oh they slowed my device, oh its the battery, oh my device is purposely slowed down because it's all a giant scandal. Wonder if those Roswell aliens were the ones who took out Kennedy? Or if that was all a lie and he's just running things on Planet Neptune.
Seriously, this is just crazy. People need to learn programming and how that works with power.. aka batteries for the common folk.
Seriously, this is just crazy. People need to learn programming and how that works with power.. aka batteries for the common folk.
"First and foremost, we have never -- and would never -- do anything to intentionally shorten the life of any Apple product, or degrade the user experience to drive customer upgrades."
What a complete BS. Typical Apple.
[doublepost=1515509899][/doublepost]"it could cause occasional performance slowdowns"
Not just occasional. Permanent, all the time. Even when there isn't any CPU usage peaks. And, heck, even when the device is connected to external power.
What a complete BS. Typical Apple.
[doublepost=1515509899][/doublepost]"it could cause occasional performance slowdowns"
Not just occasional. Permanent, all the time. Even when there isn't any CPU usage peaks. And, heck, even when the device is connected to external power.