Interesting. People that have a different opinion than you have their “heads up Cooks backside”? So much for duscussing the topic.
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French Consumer Fraud Group Investigating Apple for 'Alleged Deception' and 'Planned Obsolescence'
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No one is saying that apple has to support 5 year old hardware. Just make the new iOS not cripple last years phone.
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case when
phone model in ('6', '6s', 'se', '7') then
degrade the battery and slow the hell down
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people should get more knowledge on the issue before posting silly comments, that's my opinion
Why would I sue them? I’m not a trash money grubbing consumer looking for a free buck without working for it.
If I don’t like the way a company does something, I vote with my wallet by buying elsewhere.
It’s just too bad no one died over it. Nothing like a dead relative as a bargaining chip. Looks great in court and as a sound byte on the news.
Apple is saying they are supporting 5 year old hardware. my 5s is running like a top on iOS 11.
Who is a money grabber? Is it Apple or us? We paid Apple not the other way around.
Which is the largest company in the world? Which company is projected to sell 200M+ iPhone in 2018? Who is really making a buck? Apple or us?
And you are suggesting casualty to add to the drama? You've just gone to a new low.
Users should be allowed to downgrade to any iOS of their choice for that device.
My experience is that updates slowly cripple device hardware. So when my device becomes crippled by iOS, who pays for my replacement, Apple or I? The device hardware is in perfect order, it's the software that damages the unit.
And while we're at it, I want to tell the world how pissed I am that Microsoft has used planned obsolescence to kill my old 486 Dell, which was one of the best PCs I have owned. It was state of the art when it was introduced in 1989 and there's no reason it shouldn't run Windows 10, and run well, today.
Your comparison is a bit of the stretch.
Obviously lithium ion batteries have some shortcomings, but it's far better than lead acid or NiCd. technology will evolve.
As it stands today, all batteries degrade over time --rechargeable or not. Therefore, batteries must be maintained. It's a consumable -- like ink in a printer. If it costs $79 to replace, so be it. Don't like it? Buy a different product or don't update software. What happens if you don't maintain the battery in your smoke detector or car? To those saying they want to be able to replace the battery in their iPhone -- do you replace the battery in your car? do you replace the windows on your glass home when you throw stones? Somehow I doubt it and would bet you pay someone to do that for you.
Apple did the right thing by throttling to prevent springboard and by reducing the price of battery replacement. I am appreciative of both of these services.
Nobody is 'forced' to update their OS. In fact, it's a feature--ask your android friends that never get feature updates.
You need to realize that physical hardware is a snapshot in time and you're limited to the technology that is available the day it was manufactured and subject to the limitations of that hardware. Be thankful that you have the luxury and OPTION of being able to update software.
that's called 'capitalism'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
As it stands today, all batteries degrade over time --rechargeable or not. Therefore, batteries must be maintained. It's a consumable -- like ink in a printer. If it costs $79 to replace, so be it. Don't like it? Buy a different product or don't update software. What happens if you don't maintain the battery in your smoke detector or car? To those saying they want to be able to replace the battery in their iPhone -- do you replace the battery in your car? do you replace the windows on your glass home when you throw stones? Somehow I doubt it and would bet you pay someone to do that for you.
Apple did the right thing by throttling to prevent springboard and by reducing the price of battery replacement. I am appreciative of both of these services.
Nobody is 'forced' to update their OS. In fact, it's a feature--ask your android friends that never get feature updates.
You need to realize that physical hardware is a snapshot in time and you're limited to the technology that is available the day it was manufactured and subject to the limitations of that hardware. Be thankful that you have the luxury and OPTION of being able to update software.
that's called 'capitalism'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism
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All these analogies are pretty amusing and have little in common with the company accused of misleading customers. Happens all the time. Let's see how it plays out in court before making comparisons to Tupperware, or claiming any dissatisfied customer is a money grabbing sleaze ball. Pretty extreme, no?
My 5s battery was not replaced. I’m not claiming a 4 year old battery has better daily life than it was when the phone was new.
I am sorry? So what you are saying is that I should expect to compromise performance of the phone just to receive the latest security updates? That certainly seems like 'planned obsolescence' to me, not providing a choice. And tell me, where exactly in the terms and conditions did the owner agree that this update will affect negatively on their phone's performance?
The only 'logic' here seems to be that 'Our update will slow down your phone needlessly, but you need it to protect against security threats.'
And what example doesn't make sense? Have you ever used a PC, or bought one? You having 302 apps or 2 apps will not impact nor change your iPhone's performance in any manner. Reality!
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More like, get Crippled/Throttled/Slowed down, or Upgrade your phone. Your choice.
Apple's choice was to throttle. There is no question about that.
As long as battery issues were remediable by the customer, Apple has no argument for sneaky throttling without their consent, leading owners to believe they had a slow phone that was in need of an upgrade in the process.
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Well, actually, I DON'T use the headphone jack and you totally missed my point. I won't go back and explain if you can't understand and would rather just get all bent out of shape about a forum comment.
yes, you should expect a negative impact to performance with software updates. does that help?
'needlessly' and 'choice' are your opinion here, sir. if my phone was springboarding because i needed a battery, i'd choose the update. thats a need in my mind.
Do you return your light bulbs to walmart after they've burnt out? where's the outcry!?! replace my lightbulbs!! it's flawed technology -- how dare they sell me something that won't last FOREVER!?!?!
The chief complaint is that Apple obscured the fact that an aging battery is a primary cause of performance deficits. It was not common knowledge that their power-management software "feature" existed and that it was throttling the CPU when the battery failed to meet power demands. Even if you queried Apple about potential causes, these facts weren't disclosed. Even if you suspected the battery was an issue--like many commenters here did--Apple set a self-serving threshold to qualify for replacement (even for out-of-warranty phones). Many were told that their battery was adequate. Ultimately, the majority of people assume the phone itself has somehow worn out and assume they need a new one. Apple's own statement that their discreet software fix was meant "...to preserve the life of the phone" implies that the phone itself is failing--not the battery.
True, but older phones running older OSes and apps are still useful to many owners. It's a reality we see in desktop products. The problem is when companies artificially obsolete preexisting products and force owners to upgrade or die. I'm not speaking about ending support for a product. I'm speaking of tactics like this battery misdirection, and pushing major OS upgrade notifications to incapable hardware.
It's one thing to evolve a product, but it's a bad value for the consumer when a company deliberately neglects or disowns its earlier offerings prematurely. Brands like John Deere and Maytag earned their respect by supporting their product models long after their purchase--not by promoting their products' obsolescence.
Trolling? I don't think the competition has to resort to trolling in this issue. There's plenty of bonafide customers who can testify to the legitimacy of the complaints.
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