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French Consumer Fraud Group Investigating Apple for 'Alleged Deception' and 'Planned Obsolescence'
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Completely wrong. Security is hard. Cost of supporting older systems is huge. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t keep personal data on your iPad, but others may. You can’t be selective, it’s all or nothing. This is why Microsoft is forcing Windows updates. Yes, forcing them. It’s because this is the only way to fight all the crap out there that is targeting the most popular desktop OS. There was a fiasco a while back with some hospitals getting #%#^ because they were using Windows XP that wasn’t patched. There was nothing Microsoft could do, but guess who the finger was pointed at? Now, Windows 10 updates are forced, not a fun solution - but in the end, probably the best solution.
If you think this is a simple thing and “what’s the big deal” thing - find someone who’s an expert in computer security and ask them. Tell them what you wrote here and see how they respond.
Completely wrong. You do understand that deliberate planned obsolescence is a bad business practice that brings less money? It’s a known thing. The absolute best way to sell more phones is - satisfied customers.
No, maintaining devices with multiple different versions of the OS is much more costly, and they are expected to provide security patches for years. And that’s just one of the reasons.
Look, you’re just wrong. You’re grossly oversimplifying things. I don’t mean to offend you, but you just don’t have enough information about this.
B) No, marketing as in saying they have some extremely high percentage of users on the new OS.
C) If they let people use an older OS, they’d have to support them.
quite of few folks still living on the edge as of last month
https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/
The whole upgrade for security thing is exaggerated IMO on iOS....Apple screens what goes on their app store. Sure there maybe a possibility with using safari but with that many folks on older versions yet we never hear any news about major exploits actually affecting them
And a good chunk on 11 and above are those running 8's or X who can't run anything but a version of 11
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Just finished testing my 9 month old Lenovo P2.
I rarely let it get below 25% battery level.
After battery fell below 15% , I ran the battery right down with no detectable stuttering, lags etc and no sudden shut downs. All my normal use like Chrome, Spotify, SkyGo, YouTube, Email, Camera, messaging etc no problem. At 1% capacity, message came up saying phone would safely shut down in 30 seconds. I powered off. After I restored capacity to 10%, I put phone into a fridge @ 2C for an hour. It felt really cold and I had no issues again when using the phone with cold battery. Of course this is just a £200 phone with a 5000mAh battery. Not a premium high end phone ;-)
its gotta go in the freezer lol
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201678
Use iOS devices where the ambient temperature is between 0º and 35º C (32º to 95º F). Low- or high-temperature conditions might cause the device to change its behavior to regulate its temperature. Using an iOS device in very cold conditions outside of its operating range might temporarily shorten battery life and could cause the device to turn off. Battery life will return to normal when you bring the device back to higher ambient temperatures. Using an iOS device in very hot conditions can permanently shorten battery life.
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False generalizations.
- I consented to the update (I actually downloaded the T&Cs before I hit the Agree button).
- The updates did not throttle any of the iPhone 5s, 6 and 6s devices that I benchmarked afterwards. Others here have reported the same. Others not the same.
Then you guys have immaculate batteries that do not degrade.
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The Lenovo has comparatively feeble processor and GPU cores (compared to the A11), so needs less power from the battery. Maybe it's already been pre-throttled at the factory?
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Perhaps I have average batteries, and all the complainers here were the unlucky 2.28% who ended up with the low end of the normal statistical distribution. Or maybe people who somehow misconfigured or abused their iPhones. Hard to tell without a good random sample. (Self reported data can be highly biased.)
I'm betting at least 95% of the people upgrading don't read the T&C before upgrading. Most read the screen that Apple provides them and clicked ok. Security improvements are good so it can't hurt anything to click install, right? lol
Not even a convenient link from Apple on that screen to the release notes. The posters generalization is probably spot on.
There is nothing that will prevent a 6 or 6s from throttling over time other than replacing a battery. You seem like you are trolling, trying to bait someone to lose their cool and risk getting banned or suspended.
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So maybe Apple should have pre throttled from the get go?
Vetting apps would do nothing against an attack like Spectre, which only needs JavaScript on a website.
True as I mentioned in the post you replied to about safari. Apple however has said that it is very difficult to exploit.
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They did! That's why pretty much the same arm64 processor cores used in the iPhone 6s and 7 runs faster in SOCs in 2 generations of iPad Pros, which have greater heat dissipation capability and large enough batteries to support that higher performance level.
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That was just an example. The browser is an application with rather deep access to the system that has to be constantly updated. Seriously, it has system level access.
Sure. The not so smart mob discovered the throttling whom the brain-dead apple defenders still look down upon.
you are so smart. How we envy you
Chip throttles for many reason. This is a valid one.Sure. The not so smart mob discovered the throttling whom the brain-dead apple defenders still look down upon.
you are so smart. How we envy you
Stability is more important to most than speed. Apple should have just communicated better but power management is usually not something that is advertised or explained as it's too technical for most people (especially apple customers).
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If I am outside in a very cold, sub zero environment, my phone will in a pocket kept warm by my body heat. If i take it out, and use.it, it will take some time for the battery in the phone to get.down to 2C. My fingers will start complaining before this happens.
The claim has been made that using phones in colld weather causes iPhones to slow down.
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For a pre-throttled phone with a feeble processor, it does a remarkably good job of running buttery smooth, and running the type of apps that the majority of phone users use.
And provided with a suitable battery to operate correctly, in all conditions.
Edit: Why compare to an A11 processor? The iPhone 6 and 6S don't have A11. They have A8 and A9 processors.
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Less powerful cpu paired with almost double the battery, nothing strange there.
You’re basically comparing different classes of phone. What does premium or not have anything to do with anything?
You're comparing the most powerful phone at the time it came out with a low-end CPU. And, also, iPhone 6 doesn't throttle after 9 months of use either.
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A8 is a 3 year old CPU, but at its prime it was designed as a high performance chip that draws a lot of power (not a lot compared to its speed at the time, but still demanding). It was paired with a thin and light battery that was enough to get the iPhone through the day, but apparently isn't strong enough to sustain such a demanding CPU after two or three years of use and needs to be replaced.
Comparing it to a 9 month old $200 Lenovo phone with a low-end CPU and twice the battery capacity is silly.
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So you are admitting that the 6 and 6S were released with inadequate batteries
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So you are also admitting that the 6 was released with an inadequate battery to suit it's processor.
So you are admitting that the 6 and 6S were released with inadequate batteries
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So you are also admitting that the 6 was released with an inadequate battery to suit it's processor.
That is your interpretation of my words. I said the battery is not large enough to sustain such a powerful CPU after several years of use. Whether you consider that inadequate or not is up to you, but this is the standard for premium phones and current battery technology. Some people prefer thin & light, others bulky and with big batteries.
The battery is good for 2 years of normal use, maybe more, then it needs to be replaced. After that, it will last you another 2 years. In return, you get a slim, light phone. Nothing inadequate here in my eyes.
This "form over function" discussion is nothing new to this forum. Again, some people would like to have enormous or user-replaceable batteries, just like some people like laptops with user-replaceable drives and RAM, some people like modular desktops, etc. Others like Apple devices. You don't seem like the latter, so enjoy the numerous competing products. Still doesn't make the iPhone battery inadequate or forced obsolescence or whatever you guys keep repeating here.
Congrats on getting it.
Apple have realised that the iphone batteries are barely good enough for twelve months, hence they have (secretly) hobbled the phone to hide the fact.
hence the law suits.
Wow you really think this is just an Apple problem? My Nexus 6, barely 18 months old would power down at 50% battery the moment I fired up Waze. The wife's Nexus 6 got to about 18 months before it did the same. Guy who works for me - less than 12 months on his refurb'd Nexus 6.
All three of us now own Apple devices for the first time - the price that Android paid for not doing what Apple did.
Get off your high snobby horse and begin to understand that batteries in today's smartphones - ALL batteries in smartphones, are crap. Period. And, until new tech arrives, they'll continue to be so. Meanwhile consumers want more and more powerful devices with slimmer profiles, more pixels and more waterproofing - so Apple, like many other Smartphone manufacturers, make the batteries now an integral part of the device to squeeze out every last amperage out of them.
Lenovo P2 is hardly bulky. An extra 1mm approx for 2 to 3 day battery life - but a good one day for a 70/80 mile cycle with Strava using Bluetooth and data and occasionally navigation with screen on.
My phone will be 3 years old at least before it reaches 500 charging cycles. Thats designing a phone to last. If a company needs to put throttling into a phone a year old (6S), they know there is an inadequacy.
Lots of iPhone users are charging twice daily, if they are heavy users.
You are wrong.
Btw, Your nexus behaved correctly. Your battery needed replacing. Hence nexus got slated for the battery longevity and users replaced the batteries.
Do some critical thinking.
Fine, I guess the Lenovo P2 is the choice for you. I prefer the iPhone and don’t mind replacing the battery after 2 years.
What exactly is your problem here? You are obviously happy with your choice of phone, I am with mine - so what are you trying to argue exactly? In fact, what is a Lenovo P2 owner doing in an iPhone battery discussion anyway?