I am sure Steve's kids were glad their dad was out on an utterly pointless vendetta against Android instead of spending time with them.
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From Steve Jobs' Biography: "I'm going to destroy Android"
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steal, lie, cheat ...
Lie, Cheat, and Steal were from my professors mouth while i studied Industrial Design, Product Design. Its every corporations model. Matter of fact its standard to collect all the competitions brands, study them and do research on what works and what doesn't and take the best for a new product. Its the way product design works. I've seen it done from sneakers to chairs. They check style, function, etc.
However, the 'IDEA' that originates and the balls to put the product out there is truly the marks of a pioneer, and that my friends is Steve Jobs.
Its easy to make a product from someone else's idea, that in my mind is stealing, but you if put out a product that is truly different and changes things .... revolutionizes things .... thats APPLE.
Google is second rate.
Lie, Cheat, and Steal were from my professors mouth while i studied Industrial Design, Product Design. Its every corporations model. Matter of fact its standard to collect all the competitions brands, study them and do research on what works and what doesn't and take the best for a new product. Its the way product design works. I've seen it done from sneakers to chairs. They check style, function, etc.
However, the 'IDEA' that originates and the balls to put the product out there is truly the marks of a pioneer, and that my friends is Steve Jobs.
Its easy to make a product from someone else's idea, that in my mind is stealing, but you if put out a product that is truly different and changes things .... revolutionizes things .... thats APPLE.
Google is second rate.
Youre giving steve jobs more credit than he deserves. He was still a child himself.
And you think Steve putting Schmidt on board AND the fact that "Jobs had attempted to persuade Google not to develop a mobile operating system to rival Apple's own by promising the company it would have access to the iPhone and prime real estate on the device." wasn't Jobs' way of controlling competition?
Schmidt wasn't a snake. He was a smart business man - just like Jobs was.
I think it stung Jobs more as it was reminiscent of what happened with Bill Gates.
Since neither you nor I were there - know what was agreed to, said, etc - you can't really point fingers at who stabbed who in the back and/or who was a snake. The facts simply aren't clear enough.
Sure competition is good but at least come up with your own ideas.
The problem of copying is more with Samsung than HTC. Again at least HTC has a row of buttons on the bottom for different functions. Samsung have made a carbon copy of the iPhone with its one home button. Thats my point, of course buttons will be below the screen but Samsung chose to have the one button setup just like the iPhone. They even made the silver rim like the old 3GS that goes around the phone. As for the little white blobs, surely they could have used little white squares or some other shape.
Im sure Microsoft probably had some touch technology at the same time as Apple but I'm pretty sure Apple acquired the company which invented the multi touch it uses on its iPhones etc.
As for the last part of your comment. Companies can copy all they want as long as they pay for and have permission for their use from the company which has it patented.
me and my buddy LOVE apple and all so dont think we are anti - apple but he said ios is getting kind of dated looking by this point (looks wise).. tend to agree..while nice features its looked the same since day 1
Oh please.
I have an android tablet as well as my iPhone 4S. Flash kills Android. Also Apple are merely following their pattern of using a design for 2 years before coming out with a new one (3G and 3GS - the original iPhone was the exception not the rule.)
i had to log in just to do this:
BITCH SLAPP right across the face
Android had this for such a long time that i forgot about it. not to mention that Siri requires internet connection ( the most annoying thing i have ever seen).
only two reasons made me re-adopt the iPhone : app system and great integration with my macs
other than that my iPhone 4 had bugs and other annoying ****....it is not made by Gods , you know that right ?
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Yes. AI is sort of a generic term to describe algorithms that can become better over time by learning from the input the algorithm is given. At least thats how I understand it. I would consider evolutionary algorithms AI. One can also talk about machine learning to emphasize this point.
The big challenge is usually in training the algorithm to behave "intelligently" and in creating a metric for when the algorithm succesfully answers the question put to it.
I just came back to iPhone from a Droid. Android has had some voice recognition software, but nothing in the same ballpark as siri. I was so frustrated trying to use it that I just gave up. It was true crap. Please don't talk to me about bugs. The DroidX I had was a complete piece of crap and the software written by 3rd parties was crap compared to what is in the apple store.
Sorry but it is the truth. I have had both.
Sorry but it is the truth. I have had both.
in a decade barnes and nobles won't even exist.
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well said. close the thread.
TBF The people at PARC got their salary. It was the directors and shareholders of XEROX who made the money on the patent rights.
Yes, and he was always "shameless about stealing" -- that were his own words. And he has stolen A LOT of ideas from others. That last iterations of iOS did nothing but implement features that Android and the Jailbreak community had come up with first. There's also a ton of stuff in Mac OS X that Linux, Windows, Solaris and other platforms have had LONG before the Mac finally got them.
But the false idea - or better: lie - that Apple is the only company that innovates and all others are only stealing from them has always been the foundation of their marketing strategy, and the stereotypical Apple customer WANTS to blindly buy into this lie. "We're better because we spend more money and use the 'original'" appeals to Apple's target audience.
Anyway. Maybe Apple will learn to play better with the rest of the industry now that others are in charge. Maybe not. Maybe they will just slowly sink into insignificance without the mind that shaped the company and its products. I wouldn't be surprised if in five to ten years from now nobody would regard the fruit logo as an icon anymore.
Android will win the phone and tablet race for an awfully simple reason: It's an open platform that EVERYBODY can use. That is the same simple reason why Windows won the desktop war. You cannot fight an entire industry and honestly believe you can win - unless, of course, you are delusional, megalomaniac and have lost touch with reality. Android phones already outsell iPhones, and tablets are next on the menu.
I repeat what I've said before: If Apple had been smart about this, they would have licensed iOS to third parties right from the beginning. Just like Google sells Nexus phones as a reference product, Apple could still have sold their own iPhone lines. After all, it's not the hardware itself that washes the money into Apple's pockets -- it's the iTunes ecosystem behind it.
If Apple had done this, Samsung would now be building Galaxy phones with iOS on them that would also be tied to Apple's iTunes store. A win-win situation for everybody. But no, somebody's huge ego was in the way and now they are burning their cash on lawyers instead and will eventually have to settle for a bunch of lousy compromises.
You see what Microsoft does with Android and possible patent-infringements? They just ask for a license fee and everybody is happy. -- THAT -- is the smart thing to do. Apple's sue-happiness never did them any good on the long run.
Let's see in what direction Tim Cook will steer Apple when he feels powerful enough to make his own decisions. He appears to be a reasonable person that listens to, well, REASON. And he doesn't seem to be someone whose ego is always in his way. It might be interesting to observe into what he will turn Apple.
Remember when macrumors was reporting on the creative lawsuit? I had to screenshot the articles, this forum just stinks of bias, look;
And then:
Remember who won that lawsuit ?
Creative won, but only in terms of the dispute itself. Apple and Creative came to an agreement out of court and Creative received somewhere around 200 million dollars... i dont remember.
the amount of iSheep comments I read is truely amazing!
this is exactly why they say apple fanboys are like a cult and reading most posts here prove it.
if you wanna go that route, then yes apple itself "stole" ideas
facebook "stole" the idea
and all you people who want a monopoly need to seriously rethink what it means.
you rather them spend 40 billion dollars to "destroy android" in order to have monopoly and no competition? unbelievable
by the way i still would pay extra money to get an apple laptop (still have my powerbook G4 so i'm not someone who never uses apple products) but i never bought their iPod simply because of lack of built in radio. this mentality is definitely cult like. he was a great visionary, great man but i really lost respect for him after this because he'd gone mad with power.
this is exactly why they say apple fanboys are like a cult and reading most posts here prove it.
if you wanna go that route, then yes apple itself "stole" ideas
facebook "stole" the idea
and all you people who want a monopoly need to seriously rethink what it means.
you rather them spend 40 billion dollars to "destroy android" in order to have monopoly and no competition? unbelievable
by the way i still would pay extra money to get an apple laptop (still have my powerbook G4 so i'm not someone who never uses apple products) but i never bought their iPod simply because of lack of built in radio. this mentality is definitely cult like. he was a great visionary, great man but i really lost respect for him after this because he'd gone mad with power.
Full of malware? Laughable statement.
I have a lot of Android apps, none of them are malware unfortunately.