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Ah, I'm on Linux too.
Running Ubuntu. Might dualboot with Windows again for PC Gaming.
Oh come on, could you not be impartial about it? I've seen that behaviour on both sides,
Yes, many iPhone users are narrow-minded about other platforms, but the same goes for Android users. In fact, in my experience, most of the people I know with iPhones don't actually care (or even know) about Android - they're computer illiterate people who just wanted a nice, shiny phone. On the other hand, in my experience, quite a few of the people I know who have android also tend to be really geeky and have gone for Android because they don't like Apple. Of course I'm not suggesting this is how it is for all the users but I'm just saying it's not like Android users aren't behaving the same way in regards to iPhone.
Don't get me wrong, I totally agree with your point and I'm aware that you probably post on Android forums as well so you'd know firsthand how they tend to be, but all I'm saying is that this sort of behaviour most likely just happens everywhere.
I hit the windows key, typed update, and hit enter to grab a couple of patches to protect myself against a potential vulnerability that wasn't otherwise effecting me.
It was the most hellish 15 odd seconds of my life.
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Hmm. Everything from PHP5 to Python. Wait. Python? Isn't that used heavily in Linux circles? Well, my God. Looks like Linux people, and maybe even OSX folks, will have to spend their 15 seconds in hell, too. All clicking that button, and watching that update bar go up. Cuz, you know, security patches, right? That only happens on Windows! So stupid.
...and all this time, I thought you Linux people knew what you were talking about.
Why do you consider my posts Apple bashing? I'm not bashing Apple! I like Apple, and I like iPhones. I also like Android phones, and I like Windows phones, and WebOS phones, and just about anything that plugs into the wall.
I wouldn't say that Android is better than iOS, or vice versa. They're different - something that many of the people that cheer on Steve Jobs with this "threat" are totally missing, and I don't know why.
Hmm. Everything from PHP5 to Python. Wait. Python? Isn't that used heavily in Linux circles? Well, my God. Looks like Linux people, and maybe even OSX folks, will have to spend their 15 seconds in hell, too. All clicking that button, and watching that update bar go up. Cuz, you know, security patches, right? That only happens on Windows! So stupid.
...and all this time, I thought you Linux people knew what you were talking about.
Noooo, only Windows has to make security updates. Have you seen any security update on OS X or on iOS?
Apple bashing ? Is debunking FUD and misinformation about Apple's competition Apple bashing now ?
You know, one can like products from all vendors right ? It's not such a hard concept to wrap one's head around either. I'm typing this on a Das Keyboard, using a Samsung monitor, using a Razor mouse, all hooked up to my Apple computer that's playing music on Altec Lansing speakers.
Some people don't just display the brand loyalty to Apple that others do, but don't mistake that for "Apple-bashing" or "Anti-Apple" or "Apple haters".
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Dump lump all of us Linux people into the same group based on 1 poster. Frankly, I'm appalled someone would use such a widespread flaw to bash only Windows without even understanding what it is about.
Much less someone who professes being an IT professional like the poster you quoted. Almost sounds like some of the security people where I work who have no clue about IT security to begin with (can't differentiate a DoS security flaw vs a privilege escalation or remote code execution flaw).
You spend 10 times more crying about windows than anyone does updating windows with an occasional patch.
My point made. Thx.
I didn't respond to you. Why...would you think I did? Besides, my post was mainly a parallelism.
You sure like chasing down my posts. Suggest you be careful about how often you do it. Since you like to monitor rules, I assume you know that one. I was also not talking about you. You damn well know there are people here and everywhere that bash Apple and its product owners constantly, you correct them often enough, also. (although you didn't comment on the one I paralleled, funny)
My first Mac was in 1985, I believe. I have heard Apple bashing and bashing/condescension to me personally since then, and it increased exponentially when the iPhone came out, even though I didn't own one until 2011. I'll just have to apologize to anyone who thinks I shouldn't have been offended by the vitriol and **** I've received simply because my computer didn't crash twice a day in the early 90s, so I didn't need little pasty-faced IT boys to come take 2 hours to get me productive again. But....I'm offended. And frankly, they started it.
Also, Knight, here is a list of the mfgrs directly connected to my system, wired or wireless:
Apple, Onkyo, Panasonic, Denon, Pioneer, Monoprice, Saitek, Belkin, Logitech, Yamaha, Tivo, D-Link, OWC, Trendnet, Fantom, URC. Damn...forgot Acer. Ugh, and the speakers: Klipsch and SVS. (I've ignored the cabling)
Can I join your little multi-company club? Or are we simply not allowed to talk about Apple anymore at MacRumors? You know, now that I think about it, I think we've had this exact conversation before with your assertions that I worship Apple and wouldn't own any other company's product. Soooo tiring.
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Going back to the original topic at hand, this primarly is why I dislike Android:
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
And before anybody screams "iOS is also fragmented!", keep in mind Apple releases one new model iPhone/iPad every year. It would take multiple decades to reach the level of fragmentation that Android has today.
Of course, fragmentation is inevitable but on iOS it's still very limited. There aren't dozens of new models being churned out every year like on Android. So the problem is a lot less significant.
The problem with Android is that the manufacturers and carriers, not Google, have all the power and its not in their interest to be supporting all the devices out there when new ones keep coming out every few weeks. There's no profit in it, not to mention that it's a LOT of work to support the infinite variations of hardware out there as well. Why bother? It's easier and more profitable to just get people to upgrade every year (or earlier). Google tried to rectify the issue by establishing the Google Update Alliance, but predictably this was the result:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397729,00.asp
Google has no clout in the matter so they certainly cannot force the issue.
Microsoft on the other hand is trying to close the system down a bit to avoid the same issues and how have manufacturers and carriers responded? They aren't happy at all with Microsoft. Manufacturers aren't as eager now to make WPs and if you walk into any carrier store they'll almost always steer you away from WP and try to get you to get Android instead.
All in all, Android's a big mess but of course the average person walking into a store has no clue about these issues and will buy into whatever the sales guy peddles as being the latest and greatest.
So while there are a few things I like about Android, knowing that my phone will be supported at least 2-3 years down the line, that I won't get bloatware pre-installed, and that I don't have to always worry about which apps are compatible, is why I prefer iOS.
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
And before anybody screams "iOS is also fragmented!", keep in mind Apple releases one new model iPhone/iPad every year. It would take multiple decades to reach the level of fragmentation that Android has today.
Of course, fragmentation is inevitable but on iOS it's still very limited. There aren't dozens of new models being churned out every year like on Android. So the problem is a lot less significant.
The problem with Android is that the manufacturers and carriers, not Google, have all the power and its not in their interest to be supporting all the devices out there when new ones keep coming out every few weeks. There's no profit in it, not to mention that it's a LOT of work to support the infinite variations of hardware out there as well. Why bother? It's easier and more profitable to just get people to upgrade every year (or earlier). Google tried to rectify the issue by establishing the Google Update Alliance, but predictably this was the result:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2397729,00.asp
Google has no clout in the matter so they certainly cannot force the issue.
Microsoft on the other hand is trying to close the system down a bit to avoid the same issues and how have manufacturers and carriers responded? They aren't happy at all with Microsoft. Manufacturers aren't as eager now to make WPs and if you walk into any carrier store they'll almost always steer you away from WP and try to get you to get Android instead.
All in all, Android's a big mess but of course the average person walking into a store has no clue about these issues and will buy into whatever the sales guy peddles as being the latest and greatest.
So while there are a few things I like about Android, knowing that my phone will be supported at least 2-3 years down the line, that I won't get bloatware pre-installed, and that I don't have to always worry about which apps are compatible, is why I prefer iOS.
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Nicely summed up.
That they did.
I joined this forum in 2009 while I was shopping for my first Mac. Having been a long time Windows user (since 2.1), I thought I needed a Mac Pro for my needs. Turns out a Core 2 Duo iMac (late 2009) was sufficient for me. A colleague of mine (Mac user since the 80's) was puzzled at why I thought I needed a Mac Pro although I did nothing with video or graphics design. That's how badly Windows had brainwashed me. It seemed that no matter how much I spent on getting the latest and greatest Windows hardware (not sure if such a thing exists - "greatest Windows hardware") it was never enough to prevent BSOD's.
My C2D iMac has been the best desktop machine I have ever owned and cost almost $1K less than I have spent in the past on some Dell and VAIO desktops. Like SJ used to say, "it just works." It runs my VM's without issues. Ironically I have a Windows XP VM that runs better as a VM on my iMac than any stand alone physical Windows machine I ever had. I have some clients that I support still running XP. I like having them as clients because that's guaranteed support money. Plus they are too cheap to go Mac yet they haven't realized with the money they have paid me over the years they could have made the switch long ago. That's the Windows Kool Aid at work (I should know because I didn't kick the habit for close to two decades).
So since joining this forum which I thought was for people that like Apple products (hence the name "Mac Rumors"), I mostly see people bashing Apple products and users. Perhaps some of the usual suspects should start a website called "Mac Haters" to vent amongst themselves and leave us Apple users and fans of Apple alone. "I'm just sayin."
Anyways, I have been an iPhone user since it debuted in 2007 and there is no way I could ever switch to Android. Why would I? iOS "just works."
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Nope, I don't, they just happen to stand out because I'm tired of the "us vs them" attitude you sometimes display. Never have I said you're an "apple worshipper" or "Apple fanboy" either, I don't know where you read that.
People that reply in these threads and show a positive attitude towards Apple's competition don't necessarily have a negative attitude towards Apple. You can be positive about both easily.
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Where did I say that ? I'm here to talk about Apple as much as the next guy, just ask Arn to stop posting this flamebait crud if you also don't want to discuss the competition.
And frankly, I'm tired that everytime someone says something positive about another company, they are labeled "troll, fandroid, fanboy of X, etc...". Same goes on the Apple side. I don't like being called a "zealot, Apple fanboi, etc.." when I post Apple positive stuff.
Agreed.
The fact you dumped thousands of dollars into all your machines, and still experienced tons of BSODs tells me one of two things.
One: you're unlucky. Like almost prodigiously so.
Two: you don't know nearly as much about computers as you claim you do.
Blue screening hasn't been a big thing since Windows switched over to the NT kernel well over a decade ago. All it takes is the absolute minimal amount of effort and knowledge to make a stable Windows machine these days. And by knowledge and effort, I mean knowing enough not to go into the Windows folder and deleting random files and folders, or dropping your laptop in the toilet.
I've still got my old computer I slapped together 5-6 years ago up and running. The biggest upgrade I've done to it in the last few years was put Windows 7 on it, and it's still chugging along like a champ. And I've put that thing through the paces, too. The only problem I've ever had out of it was a ball bearing going bad in a PSU fan. BSODs? Eh. Maybe about 4-5 over the years.
But here you are, supposedly spending untold amounts of cash, and still failing to make a stable machine. And the fact you didn't do any heavy lifting with that powerful, expensive hardware? No video editing? No graphic design? No games even? And it still constantly crashed on you? That really tells me more about your complete lack of technical skills than any problem of Windows.
I mean hell. My mom and dad have had better luck with their cheap $500 Gateway laptop than you have with all your supposedly expensive custom built PCs. That's...yeah, that's pretty bad.
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Can't we all just get along?
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Besides, a lot of what is being posted can be taken subjectively. Not everyone is going to agree with one another. I'm still very interested in what you all think though.
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Besides, a lot of what is being posted can be taken subjectively. Not everyone is going to agree with one another. I'm still very interested in what you all think though.
+1 for eternal optimism.
I see you are new. Don't let the forum break you as it has the rest of us.
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+1 for eternal optimism.
I see you are new. Don't let the forum break you as it has so many others.
Thank you! I'm hoping that it won't. Maybe you can be my mentor and teach me how to avoid it?
Yeah, but that's too obvious a route to take. Answering him by the merits of his post only makes his arguments look that much worse.
Whining draws negative attention and energy. You talk about how terrible Windows and PCs are because you had such a bad time with them yourself, which is reasonable. The problem is, most people didn't and still don't have these problems that you speak of. I still run an old PC I built myself *ten years* ago, and it has no problems. Even the fans are still working.
My Mac Pro is way faster, but it should be. I just swapped a 6-core 3.33GHz processor into it, among other things.I have to agree with others that it takes minimal effort to keep a PC running well, same as with a Mac. The key is knowing some basic concepts. Saying "a Mac just works" is disingenuous at best... that line was a marketing phrase, man. I could make either a Mac or PC terribly if I felt like it.
My mother embraced Macs at their birth because she didn't have to know anything to make them work. She would marvel at how I was able to do just about anything on a PC, but had no interest in learning that stuff herself. She still doesn't know anything beyond turning it on and using it, and buys a new iMac every time they melt down, about every 2-3 years so far on average. It works out for her, since money is no object. Apple loves her, and surely must love you for what I gather are a lot of the same reasons.
I think if you look around, you'll find a lot of people here that enjoy both Macs and PCs, Windows and OSX. There are all types in the spectrum, with some on the far left and right that like to make a big scene. Suggesting that others that aren't on the same far end as yourself should go away isn't very tolerant or respectful of the opinions and contributions of others.
Now? Pointing out facts has been considered "Apple bashing" by the fans for quite a long time - although it's become much worse since MacRumours became "all IOS, all the time".
Nothing that some people say could appall me....
I like the latest Windows hardware - my Microsoft mouses and keyboards are great.
Or are you trying to imply that Microsoft sells general purpose computers?
For many of us, the switch to the NT kernel was almost two decades ago...
Unfortunately, since IOS became the OS of choice for most Apple customers, the "Fox TV"-like viewpoint has become the norm.
The only things steve destroyed was his health and his children's hope for an attentive father.
BSODs are caused by malfunctioning hardware and really poorly written software. I haven't had a single BSOD out of my Sony laptop in the (nearly 2 years) I've had it, although I was messing around a lot with various operating sytems and disk configurations and trashed my boot loader a few times. Since 1996 when I first used a Windows computer, I've only once ever managed to get a virus onto my own machines.. ever.
I also have a bone to pick about the "Mac Pros are for graphics or video editors" comment; This is a fallacy. Mac Pros are for people that wish to own a tower, perhaps because they want multiple hard drives or the ability to swap video cards when they want, or maybe they don't want to pull the screen out of their desktop every time they change their hard drive.. I dunno.
What does your positive experience of using Apple computers have to do with wanting Steve Jobs' wish of destroying Android to come true? I also have tons of positive experience with Apple computers and enjoy using the ones I own, however I really like Android as a phone platform. (That doesn't mean that it would be well suited for most of the people in this thread though lol)
One of the nice things about Android is how it unified many things out there - lots of tablets and phones run it instead of their own proprietary little OS. I hear all the time about fragmentation, but wouldn't it be worse if everything ran something completely different? You'd end up with lower quality products too, because the R&D to create a mobile OS from the ground up is very expensive. With the current mess of patents going on, worse! There's probably a patent on fart sounds happening when you tap a touchscreen lol.
The nice thing about that though, is since it's (usually mostly) open source, if you have a device that runs android you can hack it with some ease. That's just like Linux routers (or routers with well documented chipsets) running DD-WRT and tomato, the extra customization is invaluable to some people.
I have my phone setup so I can unlock and immediately tap one of a few of my favorite contacts on the home screen to directly call them. I can set it to do certain things when I tap a hardware button, and the manufacturer isn't actively trying to eliminate my ability to do that!
However, white iPhones are nice. I think I might get one next time, although I am not entirely certain how the lack of customization will play out.
I also have a bone to pick about the "Mac Pros are for graphics or video editors" comment; This is a fallacy. Mac Pros are for people that wish to own a tower, perhaps because they want multiple hard drives or the ability to swap video cards when they want, or maybe they don't want to pull the screen out of their desktop every time they change their hard drive.. I dunno.
What does your positive experience of using Apple computers have to do with wanting Steve Jobs' wish of destroying Android to come true? I also have tons of positive experience with Apple computers and enjoy using the ones I own, however I really like Android as a phone platform. (That doesn't mean that it would be well suited for most of the people in this thread though lol)
One of the nice things about Android is how it unified many things out there - lots of tablets and phones run it instead of their own proprietary little OS. I hear all the time about fragmentation, but wouldn't it be worse if everything ran something completely different? You'd end up with lower quality products too, because the R&D to create a mobile OS from the ground up is very expensive. With the current mess of patents going on, worse! There's probably a patent on fart sounds happening when you tap a touchscreen lol.
The nice thing about that though, is since it's (usually mostly) open source, if you have a device that runs android you can hack it with some ease. That's just like Linux routers (or routers with well documented chipsets) running DD-WRT and tomato, the extra customization is invaluable to some people.
I have my phone setup so I can unlock and immediately tap one of a few of my favorite contacts on the home screen to directly call them. I can set it to do certain things when I tap a hardware button, and the manufacturer isn't actively trying to eliminate my ability to do that!
However, white iPhones are nice.
I think I might get one next time, although I am not entirely certain how the lack of customization will play out.
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Concerning BSODs,
My MacBook running Windows 7 BSOD'd a couple of times but that's caused by NVIDIA drivers. But I no longer get that as they've finally fixed their bloody drivers.
I'm more of a Mac guy (thought I own a couple of iDevices) but MacRumors has severely deviated from Macs and become more iOS-centric. No offence though.
My MacBook running Windows 7 BSOD'd a couple of times but that's caused by NVIDIA drivers. But I no longer get that as they've finally fixed their bloody drivers.
I'm more of a Mac guy (thought I own a couple of iDevices) but MacRumors has severely deviated from Macs and become more iOS-centric. No offence though.
You should've seen how it was before, when the iPhone was nothing more than a rather wild rumor on the front page We were all somewhat irrational Mac fans, but that didn't really bother anyone except those who used Macs and other computers at the same time that knew we were full of it.
Now you have a lot of people that use various combinations: There are people that love Mac OS X and don't like iOS, and people that like iOS and still dislike (or hate) Macs. I actually see that a lot (on other forums, though).
I'll show you something though
http://i.imgur.com/5krlg.jpg
This isn't MacRumors related, and it's not how I envision iPhone fans, but as a long time Mac fan I am saddened by this kinda stuff.
We were all somewhat irrational Mac fans, but that didn't really bother anyone except those who used Macs and other computers at the same time that knew we were full of it. Now you have a lot of people that use various combinations: There are people that love Mac OS X and don't like iOS, and people that like iOS and still dislike (or hate) Macs. I actually see that a lot (on other forums, though).
I'll show you something though
http://i.imgur.com/5krlg.jpg
This isn't MacRumors related, and it's not how I envision iPhone fans, but as a long time Mac fan I am saddened by this kinda stuff.