Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Except Apple isnt anywhere close to the competition who has 120hz displays and far better cameras. Apple could have put those on the 12, but they are just trying to milk it for the 13 and still charge people insane amounts of money for a pathetic update. Im about Done with Apple and their greed.
Those 120hz displays kill battery life. Apple will introduce them once they can solve that. It's rumored the displays this year are indeed 120hz capable but won't be enabled. So it's not about greed as they're there.
They're working on getting the framerate to dynamically adjust like the watch series 5/6 so it's not always 120hz when not needed so it can preserve battery life. Is this something they can add via a software update? I don't know.

If it's greed then why do they give you 5+ years of new OS versions when most android phones get 1 year at most?

And the iphones always rank among the top in terms of cameras. And from the rumors the camera upgrade this year is pretty good. There are not "far" better phone cameras out there. There are cameras that are better in some areas and worse in others. Even android flagships are creeping over $1000.

You don't have to upgrade every year.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: 5105973
Those 120hz displays kill battery life. Apple will introduce them once they can solve that. It's rumored the displays this year are indeed 120hz capable but won't be enabled. They're working on getting the framerate to dynamically adjust like the watch series 5/6 so it's not always 120hz when not needed so it can preserve battery life. Is this something they can add via a software update? I don't know.

And the iphones always rank among the top in terms of cameras. And from the rumors the camera upgrade this year is pretty good. There are not "far" better phone cameras out there. There are cameras that are better in some areas and worse than others. Even android flagships are creeping over $1000.

You don't have to upgrade every year.

Excuses. Apple has had years to get a 120hz display on the iPhone like the competition. They did on the iPad Pro 2 years ago. Apple cant figure out how to make 120hz displays work on iPhones when cheap Chinese makers can? Please lol. They are intenionally milking it to make people upgrade again next year which is pathetic. The 120hz display on my Note 20 ultra doesn't kill my battery. In fact, it has better battery life than my 11 Pro Max with its 60hz display..

Yes, there are far better camera phones out there. Phones with larger sensors, way more megapixels and far better zoom capabilities. Apple has now fallen way behind in camera tech. Huweai, Xiaomi and even Oppo put them to shame.
 
Excuses. Apple has had years to get a 120hz display on the iPhone like the competition. They did on the iPad Pro 2 years ago. So they are either intenionally milking it to make people upgrade next year or they are clueless. Yes, there are far better camera phones out there. Phones with larger sensors, way more megapixels and far better zoom capabilities. Apple has now fallen way behind in camera tech. Huweai, Xiaomi and even Oppo put them to shame.
So you must be an apple engineer to have inside info? Or you're just making assumptions. Just accept that you don't know and there's more to it than you think.
Anybody can throw a 120hz display on a phone. Doesn't mean they work well. Doesn't mean they aren't a battery drain. There are a number of half-assed implementations of it out there. Hey, I want it too. But I'd rather it be done right than to be rushed out.

Megapixel count is meaningless. It doesn't necessarily equal quality. Same for zoom. No, those companies don't put them to shame. Again, they are better in some areas, worse in others.
If you're unhappy then just go buy what makes you happy. Simple as that. No need for whining. Just go do it.
 
Last edited:
What about in 3 years though?

Good point. It's the future-proofing argument. You might not be able to use it now... but you'll be ready for it in the future.

But here's an alternative take:

In 3 years you might finally have great 5G coverage in your area... hooray! But by then you'll be using a 3-year-old 5G modem and your 3-year-old battery will likely be shot.

So will it really matter? :)

Personally... I'm not buying a new iPhone to get 5G. Sure my next iPhone will have it... but I'm on Verizon so I'll probably never see it anyway (Verizon mmWave... meh)

5G now or 5G then... neither matters to me.

I honestly can't think about 2023 right now... :p
 
Last edited:
120hz displays are around $20 more then the 60 hz screens. That is a good reason for Apple not upgrade until theses 120 hz screen come down in cost! The difference between 4GB and 6GB is nominally too! Many Andriod phones have 8-12GB of RAM inside them.
 
Excuses. Apple has had years to get a 120hz display on the iPhone like the competition.
Anybody that has followed Apple knows they don’t slap in hardware and call it a day. They must know what they are doing with this strategy as evidenced in the revenue and value of the company.
They did on the iPad Pro 2 years ago. Apple cant figure out how to make 120hz displays work on iPhones when cheap Chinese makers can? Please lol.
The use case for an iPad may be different than a phone?
They are intenionally milking it to make people upgrade again next year which is pathetic. The 120hz display on my Note 20 ultra doesn't kill my battery. In fact, it has better battery life than my 11 Pro Max with its 60hz display..
Apple is doing anything or making people do anything. People do what they want, with their own money. The 120 MHz display in your note 20 is part time only. And frankly your batter use case is anecdotal.
Yes, there are far better camera phones out there. Phones with larger sensors, way more megapixels and far better zoom capabilities. Apple has now fallen way behind in camera tech. Huweai, Xiaomi and even Oppo put them to shame.
Sure three phone makers collectively have a better camera than the iPhone. But the iPhone has a better camera than all three of the ones you mentioned.
 
  • Like
Reactions: DeepIn2U
I really looked forward to 12 for its iPad Pro-like design. However, lack of 120Hz is disappointing. I may skip it after all.

120Hz is an absolute must for OSD (obsessive scrolling disorder). Your eyes will thank you.

I'll wait for the 13 and pray for usb-c but know in my heart of hearts that Apple would never be so kind to mankind.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ebika
120hz displays are around $20 more then the 60 hz screens. That is a good reason for Apple not upgrade until theses 120 hz screen come down in cost!

Why does that matter? This is already the most expensive iPhone ever. Oh right, then they can raise the prices again for the 13. Youre going to be paying $1500 for an iPhone soon. Apple had better tread very carefully. There is a ton of competition and they can easily drop off if they continue this greed and arrogance.
 
Acording to Speedtest, in the Chicago area only T-Mobile has rolled out 5G so far. At this time there is no reason to get a 5G phone. So I'm left either ordering an iPhone 12 Mini which will probably be $799 for 128GB or perhaps a iPhone SE with 256GB (which is what I really need) for $549. Neither leaves me fully satisfied and I'll have to ponder paying $250 more to get a better camera yet not enough storage. This makes me a very frustrated Apple customer. Why does Apple continue to add $100 for each bump up in memory size when you can buy the same size memory at retail for $20 or less? For Apple the cost is probably a few bucks. Christ, memory is almost as cheap as insulin or water and Apple continues to make it a heafty proposition. Frankly, I will probably just replace the battery in my perfectly fine iPhone 7. At least that way my disfatistaction will cost me less than $100.
 
  • Like
Reactions: JM
Megapixels is not an indication of picture accuracy.

and anyone with working eyes can see the 108 megapixel photo was a TON more sharp and detailed. So you are dead wrong when you say megapixels don't matter. When you are talking 12 megapixels vs 108, they matter a lot.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: jrpow
and anyone with working eyes can see the 108 megapixel photo was a TON more sharp and detailed. So you are dead wrong when you say megapixels don't matter. When you are talking 12 megapixels vs 108, they matter a lot.
Those same anyone’s with working eyes that you cited can understand dynamic range, color accuracy has zero to do with megapixels. So you are dead wrong to say it’s all about megapixels.
 
  • Like
Reactions: TyG8
and anyone with working eyes can see the 108 megapixel photo was a TON more sharp and detailed. So you are dead wrong when you say megapixels don't matter. When you are talking 12 megapixels vs 108, they matter a lot.

Just google it. TONS of articles explaining why megapixels don't matter that much. Especially on phones. What you want is a larger sensor.
You're just dead wrong.
 
  • Like
Reactions: I7guy
Three CDs ripped in Apple lossless (ALAC) take approximately 1GB of space. Two minutes of 4K/60FPS video takes approximately 1.5GB. An HD movie downloaded from the iTunes store takes approximately 4GB.

If you are an avid consumer/producer/editor of media and can't always connect to WiFi/cellular for cloud access, it's very easy to fill huge chunks of drive space.

Fair enough! Like I said, *I* don't have a use for it, primarily because (1) streaming music is fine for me, and (2) I don't need to store large amounts of media b/c I'm always near high-quality WiFi/LTE access, but now understand what others might do with that much space. Thanks!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Phuz01
What?! The MAX is going to have better specs? Ffs Apple. Why? You’ve not done us badly like this before. I despise big phones, why not give me a smaller alternative with the same high-end specs? Why do I need a Mini iPad Mini just to get the best specs?

Ridiculous. Makes me reconsider an iPhone.
It's common sense that a larger device can enable better features. So does a more expensive device.
 
Is anyone else a little bummed to have to buy the big phone in order to get the best camera?
Apple makes more money from the large size falling out of your rear pocket! the 6.1 is a better fit. I had a 7" Asus and loved the size when using it and hated it for the size in my Pocket. Android OS sucked as well.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: H3LL5P4WN

Just google it. TONS of articles explaining why megapixels don't matter that much. Especially on phones. What you want is a larger sensor.
You're just dead wrong.

Ive been a pro photographer for 15 years. I promise you I understand megapixels. Sure, 12 to 16 is no real difference, but 12 to 108? Please. There is a very noticeable difference in those photos. Yea, I do want a larger sensor, Apple is way behind the completion there too. Most are using 1/1.33" sensors while Apple is stuck on tiny 1/2.55" sensors. Let me know when Apple can at least match the competition in sensor size. They have giant phones, no reason they cant.
 
I wonder if now moving forward the annual iPhone event will now be every October instead of September? Especially for those of us on the annual upgrade program, we would only be in month 10 (For those of us getting the Pro's) next September.
 
Too invested in the Apple ecosystem to do that. I've had my fair share of Android devices back in the day as a secondary device along with seeing way too many malfunctioning ones during my years working for a couple of different carriers. No desire to touch another Android device.

Right, the key phrase there is "back in the day". I had Android phones back in the day too and they sucked. This isn't 2010 any longer. My Note 20 Ultra is considerably better than my 11 Pro Max in pretty much every way. You should probably look at Android again, a lot has changed.
 
Get a case with an exposed power button? You don’t need it to be waterproof, since the phone already is. Most people these days can’t use Face ID.
Everyone can use Face ID. The fact that it fails during the temporary mask era would make this a very opportune time to introduce Touch ID in the side button from a marketing perspective.

But it serves a much larger purpose as for 2-factor authentication. Currently Face ID devices are hampered by the god awful "Double Click The Side Button To Confirm" experience. That is easily improved with Touch ID.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.