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Any idea on how to compare the camera quality? I'd like to replace my XS for a small form factor like the 12 mini, but I don't want a regression in photography.
 
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Anyone got performance per watt ratings for current and previous iPhones? And care to guess what the 12 range will achieve.
 
Everyone can use Face ID. The fact that it fails during the temporary mask era would make this a very opportune time to introduce Touch ID in the side button from a marketing perspective.

But it serves a much larger purpose as for 2-factor authentication. Currently Face ID devices are hampered by the god awful "Double Click The Side Button To Confirm" experience. That is easily improved with Touch ID.
Yes, before masks, those are the two times I prefer Touch are Apple Pay and Getting new apps
 
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Yea, Im sure that's Apple's official response too, which is pathetically sad. This is a great year to go Android looks like.

Android phones may have specs many people want but the operating system don’t “work” like how IOS do. I don’t care how good the specs are, I refuse to give up simplicity for Android and I used Android when it launched on the G1 until the iPhone 4S launched.
 
Not too many people are talking about LIDAR. I think it's going to be a big deal. This will be a pre-cursor to Apple Glass.
If it augments or improves camera focus speed or quality, I’m interested.

Otherwise, I really couldn’t care less if it’s only going to be used for AR.
 
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Ugh. So $800 to get 128gb and a qualcomm modem? Then why not $200 more for a Pro? Great pricing for Apple shareholders.

And no 120hz? My XR might be waiting for the 12S!

Selling point would be Touch ID like the new iPad Air in addition to Face ID.
 
You think? To me, it sounds like some gadget no one is really going to use on a daily basis. I see no major game-changing usage. But maybe I'm wrong. We'll see.

I have AR apps waiting for a hands free method of use. However, being able to do it on a phone will be a good alternative for those who are financially stressed or find head mounted displays uncomfortable.
 
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I have AR apps waiting for a hands free method of use. However, being able to do it on a phone will be a good alternative for those who are financially stressed or find head mounted displays uncomfortable.

I understand but which kind of apps? The only AR stuff I used was some simulation to put Ikea furniture at home. To be honest, it's fun and useful at some point, but it's not so important to me.

I agree with you that with some glasses, it would be much different. For example having the maps directions while driving a bicycle will be amazing.
 
Android phones may have specs many people want but the operating system don’t “work” like how IOS do. I don’t care how good the specs are, I refuse to give up simplicity for Android and I used Android when it launched on the G1 until the iPhone 4S launched.
Two issues Android has not managed to resolve. First, years of updates - my 6s still got IOS 14. Second, time to receive updates.

If both were as good as Apple, I'd be far more likely to jump ship.

Also doesn't help with all the things that the various manufacturers foist onto you if you take the Android shilling.
 
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Is "graphite" the new name for Space Gray 🤔
Not just the new name, but the new hue. If you want to look like you have the latest stuff, you won't want space grey anymore, you will have graphite. And note, only the pro models will have it, so you'd better spend big if you want to look like you spend big ;)
 
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Not just the new name, but the new hue. If you want to look like you have the latest stuff, you won't want space grey anymore, you will have graphite. And note, only the pro models will have it, so you'd better spend big if you want to look like you spend big ;)
The only difference between a budget class and a Pro is $200.00 on a $700 for budget and Pro $900. But make it equivalent add in $50 for 128 GB storage so it $750.00 or $150.00 difference!
 
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It’s all very disappointing, if true. Only the biggest model will have the best camera (that phone is even bigger than the current Max). No major redesign of the notch, no 120 Hz, etc.
Face ID is useless outside during the pandemic when you have to wear a mask. They need an alternate solution next year. It all looks extremely expensive for what it’s gonna offer. I think they’re gonna have very underwhelming sales this generation.
 
Do wonder if the iPhone 12 Pro will have the glass back making a return, which was last used in the XS series. Not much of a fan with the 11 Pro material. Clearly there won’t be a press event to get hands-on. So will have to wait a little longer for the review units to find out when they arrive in their homes.
 
Better how? Better display? Not a huge deal for me.

5G, LIDAR, faster processor, a bit better screen, maybe faster WiFi and Bluetooth, maybe better sound from speakers,...

My 11 Pro Max is already fast and lag free. I can get up to 480 Mbps LTE where I live and WiFi and Bluetooth is good. Battery performance is good. It plays Spatial Audio with AriPods Pro. The camera system is good.

Getting the 11 Pro Max for almost free is a good deal.
 
Its because this year is the biggest test in 5 years for Apple. The need to decide how the iPhone lineup will proceed going forward.

By creating larger and smaller devices, they can see through their internals which models attract the largest orders. I believe in my heart, that the smallest one will be winner and they will have to decide between which of the larger versions to go with on the A16 and beyond.

I don't reckon they are going to dump the new Super Max model or whatever the new biggest screen will be called. Is it 6.7 inches? That 6.5-7 size ain't going anywhere. It's the middle size that I imagine would be in danger, but I honestly believe they'll have 3 sizes moving forward. What might tell a story is the lower level mid size versus the premium mid size.

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I predicted the iPhone 11 to sell poorly when it was announced because it was so iterative, but it sold really well and I was stunned. But the economy of the USA was really starting to sing at that time. I'll be interested to see how this iPhone sells. Economies are depressed across the world, so that could have a large bearing on sales.

But the optics of the situation are clear for me. It still has the same notch. To really move the phone forward, they needed to do something about the notch. At the very least they needed to make it even just slightly smaller. Or added in a fingerprint scanner on the on off switch. Something to address the notch and the mask situation. But nope, seems like nothing.
 
Android phones may have specs many people want but the operating system don’t “work” like how IOS do. I don’t care how good the specs are, I refuse to give up simplicity for Android and I used Android when it launched on the G1 until the iPhone 4S launched.

Umm, hello. Its 2020, hi, welcome. Its not 2009 with slow and buggy Android OS named after desserts that crash constantly. Android has come a long way and completely dominates with 75% marketshare compared to iOS's 24%. You really think 2.5 BILLION Android users are just putting up with a crap OS? Times have changed...
 
Telstra in Australia supports mmwave and already have a device that uses it. So hopefully we get that model in Australia. As I will be upgrading my 11 Pro Max for the new 12 Pro Max and I do have 5G in my area so keen to use it.

Does Samsung support mmwave in their AU 5G models? You can bet Apple AU wil follow Samsung on this
 
Umm, hello. Its 2020, hi, welcome. Its not 2009 with slow and buggy Android OS named after desserts that crash constantly. Android has come a long way and completely dominates with 75% marketshare compared to iOS's 24%. You really think 2.5 BILLION Android users are just putting up with a crap OS? Times have changed...

I don’t care what you say and what year it is, I WILL NOT give up the simplicity of using iOS over android. It works for me and I’m going to stick to that.
 
I don't understand this. If I'm not wrong iPhone 11 Pro has 2x optical zoom, it offers 4x zoom only if you consider the ultra-wide lens too. Is the same for iPhone 12 Pro or is telephoto lens supposed to offer actual 4x optical zoom?

After some years I'm finally coming back to iPhone and I've just found a brand new iPhone 11 Pro 256GB at 950/1015€. I don't like Pro Max version because it's too big and if the zoom is the same, I don't see any real difference concerning cameras, except f1.6 and LiDAR: the only noticeable changes would be the new design, 6GB of RAM and A14.
iPhone 12 Pro will be probably sold here at 1359€ + the cost of the power adapter. I think it's not worth the trouble, it's not worth the hassle... what would you do if you were me?

I obviously have no way of knowing for sure, but I’m almost positive that the material seen by the leaker is just the same marketing language Apple used for the 11 Pro models.

They advertise it as 4x because they are counting the ultra wide angle lens as well, and I suspect the same is going to happen with the 12 Pro. I would be very surprised if they actually give 4x zoom to just the telephoto lens.

The only model that appears to be getting an increase in focal range is the 12 Pro Max, but it’s only a 25% increase. The focal range will go from 52mm to 65mm.

If I were you, I’d at least wait until Tuesday to see what all Apple reveals. 🙂
 
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