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[shadowlander]

Need I say more?

Yes. You are talking hardware. When referencing OS X, I'm talking operating system, specifically. Being quite familiar with both, there IS no comparison IMO.

Mind you, I know more than enough to run my Windows boxes *muah* perfectly, OSX gives me absolutely ZERO in that regard.

Meaning no disrespect whatsoever...why are you here? If you have that much disdain for Apple, Apple hardware, and OS X, why not expend some of your energy amongst like-minded folks (like here:http://forums.wugnet.com/menu.html )?

 

[da5id]

For the MBP release, Mac Rumor's buyer's guide says:

Days Since Update: 171 (Average = 104)
Recommendation: Don't Buy - Updates soon

(I wish they'd add the standard deviation...)

The average is just for MBP releases (ie not much data) and doesn't include dates from the years of Powerbook releases, which, according to the Wayback Machine averaged 185 days. (158 days for iBook.)

While I too am eagerly waiting for the new MBP, remember it's not horribly overdue. It could still be another month, and still be a very "average" product cycle.

 

[daneoni]

I'm Disturbed By Folks Here Who Are Considering Buying A Windows C2D LaptopAre you daft? It doesn't run OS X. What's up with you all who are willing - heck even considering - to buy a computer that will not run OS X? I don't get it. There is no comparison to the OS X experience if you have to run Windows XP on that hardware.

Are you people going out of your minds or have we been invaded by an Armyh of Windoze Trolls big enough to persuade anyone here that because the processor inside a Mac does not have an Arabac "2" between the words "Core" and "Duo" it must be crap?

You can pick up a perfectly lovely like-new refurbished 1.83GHz Core Duo MacBook for $949 anytime to tide you over if you can't wait a few more weeks or even until January if we must. It will retain a resale value of over $800 after the C2D models come out. But could we please get off the "I could have had a Sony Vaio" routine please? Some of you are reading like you have completely lost your minds over this wait.

I would like to think that we are really here for OS X more than we are here for newer hardware that can't run it. Is that fair?

Obviously we're here for OS X and my post did say i'd try to install 10.4.8 x86.....IF i decide to get one. You think i WANT to run windows?...heck no.

 

[generik]

Yes. You are talking hardware. When referencing OS X, I'm talking operating system, specifically. Being quite familiar with both, there IS no comparison IMO.

I know what you are talking about, why this artificial separation?

I buy hardware, hardware comes with software, must this hardware suck?

No

Meaning no disrespect whatsoever...why are you here? If you have that much disdain for Apple, Apple hardware, and OS X, why not expend some of your energy amongst like-minded folks (like here:http://forums.wugnet.com/menu.html )?

Why don't you go over and try to convert them and "evangelize" to them (snicker)

Obviously we're here for OS X and my post did say i'd try to install 10.4.8 x86.....IF i decide to get one. You think i WANT to run windows?...heck no.

Bravo. While that is illegal here is a man with his head screwed on right. He takes a Vaio with Core 2 Duo and discrete graphics probably priced at Macbook prices.

A Vaio that is more scratch proof than the Macbook and more ding resistant than the Macbook Pro! Slimmer too. And none of that stupid slot in optical drive nonsense that chokes on small CDs.

 

[shadowlander]

I know what you are talking about, why this artificial separation?

Nothing artificial about it, frankly. The hardware is the icing on the cake for anyone familiar enough with OS X to be committed to it. I stick with Apple hardware exclusively because of the operating system. It is hands down superior to Windows...again, IMO. You obviously have a different one...which is why I suggested a different forum.

Why don't you go over and try to convert them and "evangelize" to them (snicker)

Because, unlike others, I don't wish to convert them. I (selfishly) would just as soon they stay in their own deluded world. It seems to me that as long as the Mac OS remains a small minority, the less likely it is to be targeted by all of the malware that Windows currently enjoys.

 

[ariechel]

It is still selling at the same price and same specifications as 5 months ago... a good portion of an epoch in computer terms.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but the features of the 15" Macbook Pros haven't changed since they were released on January 10. Granted, the Macbook Pros didn't ship until the middle of February, but still...

I don't think it is fair to count the addition of the 17" Macbook Pro as an "update" to the Macbook Pro line.

 

[generik]

Nothing artificial about it, frankly. The hardware is the icing on the cake for anyone familiar enough with OS X to be committed to it. I stick with Apple hardware exclusively because of the operating system. It is hands down superior to Windows...again, IMO. You obviously have a different one...which is why I suggested a different forum.

Oh really? I have a bridge to sell you then.

Or rather just in case you are smarter than I thought, perhaps you'd like to buy a couple boxes of OSX.4 at $2,000 per box.

You mentioned the hardware is just icing on the cake. I always throw the icing away... you know much much calories those got? Worthless to me. It is the cake that matters!

OSX hands down superior to Windows... sure... if its software support is half as good. Or perhaps if it offers more hands on customisability... (snicker)

Because, unlike others, I don't wish to convert them. I (selfishly) would just as soon they stay in their own deluded world. It seems to me that as long as the Mac OS remains a small minority, the less likely it is to be targeted by all of the malware that Windows currently enjoys.

I have no malware problems, but likewise I find a certain pleasure seeing you deluded souls keep at it.. buying a Yonah MBP for the same price since half a year ago... "Oh noes! My Windows has so much spyware and viruses!"

"Someone send me a picture file! Britney Spears naked while pregnant.jpg .exe"
"Sweet!"

Ah yes, the cure is to buy a machine that supports nothing. Actually the best cure is a bullet straight to the brain. But I guess having NO SUPPORT and NO CHOICE is the best way to protect your computer for you! Makes me wonder sometimes. "Do you wish to run this program?" - "Gee wiz, yes of course!"

And you blame Windows.

Boy, what a sweet feeling to see the demise of a stupid people

I certainly don't see OSX as being perfect. Sure I gain some. But I lose some switching my workflow over as well. All these hardware fiascos and high prices.... perhaps I should steal a page from your book. They are just "icing on the cake" of being a Macsheep.

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but the features of the 15" Macbook Pros haven't changed since they were released on January 10. Granted, the Macbook Pros didn't ship until the middle of February, but still...

I don't think it is fair to count the addition of the 17" Macbook Pro as an "update" to the Macbook Pro line.

I am being kind here, my 5 month quote is based on the speed bump that came later.

"Put a bullet to me. Bullet in the brain pan, squish." - Requiem of a Mac convert who switched due to "too much spyware"

 

[shadowlander]

Boy, what a sweet feeling to see the demise of a stupid people.

I repeat. Why are you here?

I am being kind here, my 5 month quote is based on the speed bump that came later.

Enlighten me. Where have you been kind?

"Put a bullet to me. Bullet in the brain pan, squish." - Requiem of a Mac convert who switched due to "too much spyware"

Isn't it past your bedtime?

 

[generik]

I repeat. Why are you here?

Why are you here? Besides who cares if you repeat twice or thrice. That dog over at my neighbour's barks all the time, I just throw rocks at it when nobody's around

Enlighten me. Where have you been kind?

Read the post you've quoted again just in case you didn't get it.

Isn't it past your bedtime?

Define bedtime. Bedtime is what I choose to make it, unlike you who still can't get used to the concept of having free choice

Oh I forgot, a Mac user! No choices! 3 Macbooks and 2 Macbook Pros, that's it! Too much for me! Brain overloading!

*Spams forum posts "What computer should I get? Macbook or Macbook Pro or iMac?"

 

[ct-scan]

I know what you are talking about, why this artificial separation?

I buy hardware, hardware comes with software, must this hardware suck?

No

Now you're just being an idiot. The hardware does not suck!
We're waiting for the cutting edge stuff.

Have you even said why you must have C2D?
You mock others for needing it, but what do you do?

Why don't you go over and try to convert them and "evangelize" to them (snicker)


Bravo. While that is illegal here is a man with his head screwed on right. He takes a Vaio with Core 2 Duo and discrete graphics probably priced at Macbook prices.

A Vaio that is more scratch proof than the Macbook and more ding resistant than the Macbook Pro! Slimmer too. And none of that stupid slot in optical drive nonsense that chokes on small CDs.

Okay, you're a Sony Fanboy...good for you.
Why would I waste my time talking to someone who doesn't understand how much better OSX is than Winblows?

I was stuck on Windows since the 3.0 days...and it wasn't until OSX 10.0 came out that I was interested in getting a Mac. I hated OS9 (and lower), but get over it...MS sucks.

 

[generik]

Now you're just being an idiot. The hardware does not suck!
We're waiting for the cutting edge stuff.

Have you even said why you must have C2D?
You mock others for needing it, but what do you do?

When's the last time you paid for something, and walk out of the store without what you paid for?

You effectively paid for that C2D when you buy a MBP no?

Okay, you're a Sony Fanboy...good for you.
Why would I waste my time talking to someone who doesn't understand how much better OSX is than Winblows?

I was stuck on Windows since the 3.0 days...and it wasn't until OSX 10.0 came out that I was interested in getting a Mac. I hated OS9 (and lower), but get over it...MS sucks.

Me? Sony fanboi?



I am an anti-fanboi, but I guess you are right. I am a fanboi to rationale and getting good value for money.

Besides read the Sony Vaio guy's post again, who said anything about Windows. He said he is getting a Vaio. He didn't say Windows. Get your quotations straight.

 

[shadowlander]

Oh I forgot, a Mac user!

Yep.

 

[generik]

Yep.

Don't forget to buy an extra cooling pad... one for your Mac and one for your brain. Don't want to burn up either you know...

 

[shadowlander]

Don't forget to buy an extra cooling pad...

Got one. Thanks!

 

[Reach]

And then there's all of us that's inbetween; We wastly prefer OSX as an OS, but not without reservations, we wouldnt buy a G3 in order to run OSX today.
We care about OSX, but we ALSO care about "fair price" and timely updates, and timely means getting good hardware pretty fast when it's available, if not the price becomes way wrong since it's premium-priced laptop.
Don't think we have to be rude like generik to care about hardware, and don't think we love macs less, and should be forced to leave this forum, just because we get pissed when Apple don't let us know anything about a machine we very much want to buy, we're allowed..

 

[bryanc]

OSX hands down superior to Windows... sure... if its software support is half as good.

I find that the software support is much better on OS X. 100% of the software I need and use is available for OS X, whereas only some of it is available for windows.

If you like windows, and the apps you want are available on that platform, good for you... what's you're point?

computers are tools... use the best tool for the job. For my job, a mac is a vastly superior tool than a PC running windows.

This thread is concerned with the imminent release of a hardware upgrade for mac laptops. If that is not of interest to you, what are you doing here?

I rather have a small laptop rather than a wannabe workstation laptop with 4 slots. If you need to address that much memory you need a workstation.

I use my laptop as a portable workstation. I'd like to have more RAM, and I don't mind if it's a bit bigger. Again, you seem to think that everyone needs computers to work the way you want.

Perhaps it's time you considered the fact that you're not the centre of the universe, and other people have needs that are different than yours.

Cheers

 

[generik]

And then there's all of us that's inbetween; We wastly prefer OSX as an OS, but not without reservations, we wouldnt buy a G3 in order to run OSX today.
We care about OSX, but we ALSO care about "fair price" and timely updates, and timely means getting good hardware pretty fast when it's available, if not the price becomes way wrong since it's premium-priced laptop.
Don't think we have to be rude like generik to care about hardware, and don't think we love macs less, and should be forced to leave this forum, just because we get pissed when Apple don't let us know anything about a machine we very much want to buy, we're allowed..

This wise man pretty much put what I meant to say in a much sweeter way!

Thanks Reach!

I do not have "a disdain" for Macs, but I do hate being cramped down and restricted to a limited set of choices and options, even though you pay a premium!

I use my laptop as a portable workstation. I'd like to have more RAM, and I don't mind if it's a bit bigger. Again, you seem to think that everyone needs computers to work the way you want.

Perhaps it's time you considered the fact that you're not the centre of the universe, and other people have needs that are different than yours.

Cheers

It is not about what you want or what I want.

Why can't we have what everyone wants to the degree where it is reasonable. Why much the choice behind switching to OSX be bogged down with so much baggage, from being having to beta test Apple's hardware to even stupid restrictions like not being able to spec a DVD burner when your Mac Mini's of the 1.66Ghz configuration. 1.66Ghz too slow to burn DVDs? "But you guys were pushing the Mac Mini as such 1/2 a year ago! Ooops! Does that mean you lied?"

It is little things like this, and apparently you are right about someone being in the centre of the universe - Apple.

 

[ct-scan]

When's the last time you paid for something, and walk out of the store without what you paid for?

You effectively paid for that C2D when you buy a MBP no?

Okay...time to play the bust your bubble game...
In this game we take computers from two different companies, and try and match up their hardware, and see what the end cost is. (this only works when you try to match up the hardware as close as you can )


Side one: Dell's Inspiron E1405
Proc: 1.66Ghz CD (the highest CD they offer, otherwise it's be C2D)
Mem: 512MB
OS: XP Pro w/ CD (OSX is a professional OS, not a network broken one)
Screen: 14.1" (closest size they had to the MB that was CD)
HDD: 60GB
Graphics: Intel 950
Optical: Combo Drive
================
Cost: $928

Side two: Apple's MacBook (white)
Proc: 1.83Ghz CD (closest they offer to 1.66)
Mem: 512MB
OS: OS X 10.4 w/ CD
Screen: 13.3"
HDD: 60GB
Graphics: Intel 950
Optical: Combo Drive
================
Cost: $1,099


Difference: $171

So where you getting ripped off??
I'd gladly pay $171 for the MB case compared to the Dell's ugly case.

My point...maybe the prices aren't as skewed as you (and others) think.

 

[ThunderLounge]

This thread is becoming so useless. Hash it out on IM or something.

 

[Reach]

My point...maybe the prices aren't as skewed as you (and others) think.

It's the MBP that needs an update imo, the Macbook is fine, I have never argued against that...

 

[PlayUltimate]

To Generik et. al.

Obviously you've paid too much attention to the PC world and not enough to Apple's marketing/PR machine.

Apple, since the reorganization of the product lines with the initial release of the iMac, have maintained basically the exact same pricing structure. Apple does not, in general, lower their prices. They will change features and the stuff inside but not pricing. An starting level iBook/MacBook for the past 3+ years has been around $1000. The starting level 15" PowerBook/MacBook Pro about $2000. That is the way it is. Apple will eventually come out with updated MacBook Pro and MacBook and the prices for the new ones will be about the same as I stated.

Now, all computers are nothing more than a tool to help you do something. If the current offerings by Apple or others are not worth the money for you to make the purchase, then don't. Buy something else.

Apple knows how to make money and run their business far better than you do, (and far better than many other companies.)

 

[shadowlander]

And then there's all of us that's inbetween; We wastly prefer OSX as an OS, but not without reservations, we wouldnt buy a G3 in order to run OSX today.
We care about OSX, but we ALSO care about "fair price" and timely updates, and timely means getting good hardware pretty fast when it's available, if not the price becomes way wrong since it's premium-priced laptop.
Don't think we have to be rude like generik to care about hardware, and don't think we love macs less, and should be forced to leave this forum, just because we get pissed when Apple don't let us know anything about a machine we very much want to buy, we're allowed..

Points well made and I completely agree. The current pricing structure is not right.

The only point I would make and I've made it before, is that Apple has proven themselves (since the re-onset of Steve Jobs) to be marketing geniuses. The fact is, we don't *know* why the MBP C2D is not out yet. It's easy to get frustrated and come to all kinds of conclusions that are based on assumptions. (I know...I'm waiting, too.) But as much as it seems on this side of it that Apple is hurting themselves by this delay, I also know that they know way more about it than I do and are looking out for their bottom dollar more than I am.

I'm not being blindly cavalier here. I just know a bit about business and marketing. As frustrating as it is, I believe they know what they're doing.

 

[ct-scan]

It's the MBP that needs an update imo, the Macbook is fine, I have never argued against that...

I totally agree that it needs an update, but show me where the prices are so off whack.

People can throw a C2D into a lower end laptop, with Intel integrated video...etc, but that's still not an equal comparison.

 

[Patcarla]

Long time lurker, first time poster..
I'm in the same boat as many of you, waiting anxioulsy for the release of the C2D MBPs..I have untill mid november to buy a new Mac (deadline to spend some money from my grant). There could be many reasons for Apple for not releasing the new MBPs yet and one of them could be shortage of some components. I indeed just read the following info: Imminent battery shortage. Don't know if that's related but I thought I passed the info.

 

[shadowx]

http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...AIONotebookComputers_AR_Series&Dept=computers


400GB Hard Drive.. mama mia..

I hope APPLE steps up to the plate....

Yeah, but that's 2 SLOW 4200 rpm drives... I would hope they would be set up as RAID 0 to improve performance. I don't even want to think about battery life with those...