Future iPhones Could Be 'Made in America' as Apple Asks Foxconn to Consider U.S. Manufacturing

[DrewDaHilp1]

I remember that show. Vocational jobs, in the right market, can make a killing. Also, there is an important truth that most people neglect to realize because these jobs don't require a lot of skill: these jobs can't be outsourced.



Oh you would hate me. I went to college largely on the 'govments dime, even if the GI biil paled in comparison to what people received a long time ago (or just recently of which I missed the boat). I probably make about 140k (this includes stock and yearly bonuses and disability). Honestly, I don't keep track of every dollar until the end of the year lol.

I definitely don't have to work very hard. Sure, some days, I have to actually engage my brain for a full 8 hours a day. Rarely, I have to fully engage in a full 40 hours per week. I get to complain about my back cramping from sitting too long lol. I don't remember the last time I actually had to sweat. The horror, the horror! I may the laziest man in all of Los Angeles right after the Dude.

Nope no hate my way. Good for you. I used some GI Bill, fought with my University regarding military status, missed the GI Bill that includes BAH. I'm still trying to convince myself to hit the VA for hearing loss/tinnitus.
I imagine that 140 a year in LA isn't as high as it sounds. Where I am at that is very decent, if you don't mind driving an hour each way to work that same 140 would be down right rich in comparison to the area.

 

[nwcs]

Americans have been told for a while now that you "need" a college degree to be successful and trades are to be looked down upon. Once college degrees become common they offer no more benefit than a high school diploma, minus STEM degrees.

Yes, I quite agree on that. The culture of "everyone is born to be a CEO or celebrity" has to pass away to reality. Back in the 90s study after study said that the emphasis in schools was that students would feel #1 but it didn't matter if they were #1 in anything. As a parent I definitely feel like a child should be valued and given every chance to succeed but also given reality and helping them deal with the world they'll be entering into.

 

[5105973]

I despise identity politics of any form. Now instead of pandering to women, minorities or gays it's white working class folks from Appalachia and the rust belt. Like I said this is all about redistributing a fixed pie. Those other groups got their spoils now it's the white working class folks turn. Trump is just a populist demagogue like we've had before with William Jennings Bryan, Huey Long, Father Coughlin, etc. He's Pat Buchanan without the religious bent. People will be in for a rude awakening when he doesn't deliver on the promises he made. I predict what happened to Obama in 2010 will happen to Trump in 2018.

I can't disagree with that. I don't like pandering and manipulation either. But I can't bear to see people spoken of in one homogenous lump, either. It facilitates the pandering. And people other than poor or working class whites voted for Trump. Goodness I saw an interview with a Muslim woman who voted for him!

There were all kinds of interesting and varied reasons people voted for him. It is still meaningful to me that Hillary leads in the popular vote, even in some places where I know hate groups are heavily recruiting.

Come what may, I do hope we get jobs back in this country, but given the trend toward automation and the shifting of low skilled jobs all over the globe, I think we need to look closer at another subtle trend in micro economies. I'm talking the small scale survival economies that are springing up in different forms ranging from urban and suburban collective farming to people running businesses selling home made goods among their neighbors or more widely on the Internet. There are always going to be some people who give up and fade into some very unfortunate choices. But there are going to also be survival minded people who keep trying. One could look back on the very origins of Apple and see this same spirit put into practice.

The government that facilitates local entrepreneurship is the government we need in a good number of hard hit regions.

Here is how the people of Haiti are working with the basics and surviving within their micro economies. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/weather-jan-june10-haiti_03-29/

 

[nfl46]

This would be great!

 

[ILikeAllOS]

Wow, Trump hasn't even taken office yet and Apple is already considering moving manufacturing back here!
Maybe Apple sees the writing on the wall and wants a headstart?

 

[Zirel]

No retail job is going to be glamorous. It's a starting point though.

Yes, it's not, but it's much better than repeating the same s*** 9999 times a day with little variation as possible.
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So who do you think make the robots? Chinese!

It doesn't matter who makes those robots, but there are better robots being made in America and Europe, thank you.
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So let's say all Google/Apple/Microsoft product goes up 45% in price, either because it's made in US or tariff. Then what happens.

Chinese companies are going to take over the void created by the ultra expensive US company products.

You just killed the one thing going for the US.

They don't need to go up 45% in price for nothing. /argument.

 

[duffman9000]

Wow, Trump hasn't even taken office yet and Apple is already considering moving manufacturing back here!
Maybe Apple sees the writing on the wall and wants a headstart?

Your opinion ignores the fact that Apple has explored manufacturing in the US well before Trump was even a candidate.

 

[JeffyTheQuik]

15% corporate tax folks!

This is just the beginning.

We can only hope.

 

[duffman9000]

Nope no hate my way. Good for you. I used some GI Bill, fought with my University regarding military status, missed the GI Bill that includes BAH. I'm still trying to convince myself to hit the VA for hearing loss/tinnitus.
I imagine that 140 a year in LA isn't as high as it sounds. Where I am at that is very decent, if you don't mind driving an hour each way to work that same 140 would be down right rich in comparison to the area.

I can choose to drive 50 miles in land (3 hour trip by car during rush hour). I can also choose to put a gun to my head every day lol.

To those who have never enjoyed rush hour traffic going inland on the 91 East freeway in California: You don't know hell.

 

[dan110]

MAGA! Bring Apple manufacturing to Detroit. They need it bad.

Actually, Michigan and anywhere in the Midwest, is the worst place to bring that kind of manufacturing. Remember, that area is riddled with bloated unions that have helped to drive Detroit into its current state. A better choice would be the South where the Unions are not part of the economy DNA.

 

[miniyou64]

Who cares where a product is made. So ridiculous. Buy thr best product at the lowest price. Thats actual freedom - something the US used to stand for.

 

[Phil in ocala]

Trump factor?

no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,

Smoot-Hawley Act, which was signed into effect in 1930 and raised tariffs on more than 20,000 products to levels not seen before in US trade history. The great depresson followed. Done by Hoover...who was a very sucessful businessman before becoming President.

 

[NT1440]

Who cares where a product is made. So ridiculous. Buy thr best product at the lowest price. Thats actual freedom - something the US used to stand for.

Consumerism defined as freedom, democracy lost.

We're all just wallets now.
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no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,

Smoot-Hawley Act, which was signed into effect in 1930 and raised tariffs on more than 20,000 products to levels not seen before in US trade history. The great depresson followed. Done by Hoover...who was a very sucessful businessman before becoming President.

That is an extremely narrow assessment of the many disastrous policies that led to the Great Depression. To suggest that act was the singular cause is to knowingly or not spread disinformation.

 

[Carlanga]

"Skill"??? Hahaha that is a good one. Everyone knows that companies outsource to China (and Mexico, Taiwan, the Philippines, Bangladesh, etc.) because of "skill"!
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yes "skill' is a big factor:
look in the article: "I mean, you can take every tool and die maker in the United States and probably put them in a room that we're currently sitting in. In China, you would have to have multiple football fields."
You can disprove this?
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Who cares where a product is made. So ridiculous. Buy thr best product at the lowest price. Thats actual freedom - something the US used to stand for.

I do, just like I care to recycle and many other things.

 

[miniyou64]

Consumerism defined as freedom, democracy lost.

Consumerism? It's free markets. Democracy is not freedom by the way. If you think a free and voluntary exchange of goods and services is not freedom, than youre right on board with most of the rest of thr USA.

 

[peteo]

MAGA! Bring Apple manufacturing to Detroit. They need it bad.

Not this bad:http://kron4.com/2016/11/17/swastikas-maga-scrawled-in-chalk-outside-church/
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Actually, Michigan and anywhere in the Midwest, is the worst place to bring that kind of manufacturing. Remember, that area is riddled with bloated unions that have helped to drive Detroit into its current state. A better choice would be the South where the Unions are not part of the economy DNA.

Yeah I mean, Lets bring .50 cent hour jobs with no health care. That will show those unions!

 

[Mac 128]

no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,no,

Smoot-Hawley Act, which was signed into effect in 1930 and raised tariffs on more than 20,000 products to levels not seen before in US trade history. The great depresson followed. Done by Hoover...who was a very sucessful businessman before becoming President.

In fact Hoover was the last businessman/millionaire to become President before Trump. Co-incidence? I looked further back, and think he may have been the only one ever, before Trump.

Do they even teach about the great depression in schools anymore? ;-)

 

[peteo]

Here is how the people of Haiti are working with the basics and surviving within their micro economies. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/weather-jan-june10-haiti_03-29/

Glad to know the US is now on the same level as haiti. Man the stuff some people say

 

[KdParker]

Oh my goodness stop it with the racist remarks already. This is the second one I've seen where you speak in a derogatory way about "uneducated white men" and now this. I'm surprised at you. If I were the type to be offended by words like some naive person who needs a safe place, then I would be offended because my white male high school educated nephew would indeed benefit from a job like this if there were any to be had in our area. Not everyone is cut out to be a doctor or a clerical worker or a poet or a priest. I'm proud of my nephew regardless. He's come through a lot in life given some setbacks he was born with.

This isn't about race or gender anyway. I'm a half Asian half white woman and even I expressed interest in a job making iPhones. And as I said in a earlier post, I remember a time when factory jobs offered women a great opportunity to work outside of the home and bring some income in. Former homemakers like my great aunt could get back into the workforce with modest initial training and work their way up with increasingly advanced training. That old paradigm may be gone but there are still many households with an unemployed adult needing direction and opportunity back into the work force.

These jobs could be an incredible boon to people of all kinds from all walks of life and backgrounds. I have a Business Degree from the University of MD and even with that degree the circumstances of my life are such that a part time factory shift making my favorite gadget would be welcome. I don't know how long I could endure at it with some health problems I've developed but I could work long enough to add to the nest egg my husband and I have built.

Look, I remember your NeverTrump hashtag. I despise the guy myself and hate it that anti minority racist and mysogynistic rhetoric has made a comeback in the wake of his campaign. But he actually didn't start it. It's been brewing under the surface for years. As a past victim of hate crimes myself I made it my business to monitor hate sites and saw this coming. He did bring it to a head and gave it a voice. I despise him for that. It makes my life infinitely more complicated and ugly. So I get where you are coming from. I sincerely do.

Just don't meet racism with another brand of bigotry please. And open your mind to at least contemplating making lemonade out of lemons for the longsuffering unemployed and underemployed people of this country. China can and will take care of its own. I don't think their government agonizes over our unemployed who have turned to drugs and despair.

Well Ok (I think) I am not sure how to take parts of your statement.

It is not racist to mention that someone is white nor should it be considered derogatory to be uneducated. Not everyone goes to college and get a degree for a variety of reasons.

IMHO, the problem lots of people have with Drumpt supporters is that they support the same candidate that the alt right and KKK like minded people support. But I think that is a different discussion.

 

[kagharaht]

Seems like the more you analyze this, it will be mostly Robots and a handful of Workers. That would easily qualify as Made in America label on the boxes. So why not. Go for it. Thousands of Robots and a few dozen workers will do and Trump can then brag about it.

 

[miniyou64]

I do, just like I care to recycle and many other things.

Why though? With respect what does buying "made in the USA" accomplish?

 

[DrewDaHilp1]

Why though? With respect what does buying "made in the USA" accomplish?

Supports American workers making the "made in the USA" products.

 

[2010mini]

That is a good point, although it is largely a result of the cyclical nature of relying on China's cheap labor for so many years; if we had built up manufacturing in the states, the workforce would already be in place, and large-scale mobilization wouldn't be an issue.

Yes. But could the US, at a moments notice, move 30000 people needed for work from say Houston to New York? Because places like China can.

 

[Popeye206]

but robots need people to work on them. oversee them. watch logistics. maybe not millions of jobs, but could be hundreds.

Even with robots, it would be 1000's of jobs. Look at car manufacturing... same deal there. Robots can do a ton, but humans are needed for some assembly, maintenance, testing, warehousing, shipping, HR, etc...

This would be a great thing... except, Apple should just do it on their own with the billions Trump will let them bring back to the US with way lower taxes. BTW... why just iPhones... they could start with Macs and other lower volume products like they are doing with the MacPro.

 

[Zwhaler]

yes "skill' is a big factor:
look in the article: "I mean, you can take every tool and die maker in the United States and probably put them in a room that we're currently sitting in. In China, you would have to have multiple football fields."
You can disprove this?

I'll refer you to my comment made in response to someone who posted a similar counterargument.

That is a good point, although it is largely a result of the cyclical nature of relying on China's cheap labor for so many years; if we had built up manufacturing in the states, the workforce would already be in place, and large-scale mobilization wouldn't be an issue.