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Ayyayyayyayyay. You guys are actually wasting time discussing this? Never going to happen. Another empty Trump bluster. Full stop.
 
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I think it would be glorious if iPhones were made in the USA.

We need the jobs here. All kinds, don't be picky.

Maybe Trump could get Apple's money parked overseas home, too.
 
"I mean, you can take every tool and die maker in the United States and probably put them in a room that we're currently sitting in."

This statement right here tells me this guy is so full of crap and it's nothing but a money decision.
Perhaps if Cook had qualified the statement with "skills relevant to our industry". The Bureau of Labor(sic) Statistics does track the number of tool and die makers in the US and it would have to be a big room to hold them all, admittedly. But if you dig down in the data and look at the number with skills relevant to the manufacture of iPhones and Macs you will see that though the statement taken literally is hyperbole, the intent of the statement is not inaccurate. The issue of a lack of tool and die makers inhibiting the growth of manufacturing has been reported on before.

Would it be safe to say that a ratio of 100 to 1 for tool and die makers between China and the US (probably an underestimation) would make the statement, if not literally accurate, at least figuratively relevant?
 
A lot of kids that can't find their first jobs and need experience under the belt on top of a few bucks. Not the best job in the world, but if you're trying to get out of a sh-tty environment, this can be your lifesaver.

No, if it's my kids, I would rather pay for them during this period so that they use the time to learn more real skills.
 
This,

America may not win much, but China loses a lot more. In fact, China loses all their advantage: cheap labor.

For the people shouting about jobs? Want a job at Apple, don't hold a MsC? Apply for an Apple Store. That's an example of a minimal decent job. Or what next? Want to go back to riding horses so horse care takers have a job?

However, if Trump makes Apple to manufacture in America, other cell phone brands MUST also obey Trump or face the 45% "pass the Trump Wall tax".
No retail job is going to be glamorous. It's a starting point though.
I will agree with Tim on this. The US did stop promoting vocational studies/training in secondary and post-secondary education. I think some believe a vocation or trade is somehow "lesser" when it's nothing of the kind. I would like to see more dignity assigned to trades and vocations.
Americans have been told for a while now that you "need" a college degree to be successful and trades are to be looked down upon. Once college degrees become common they offer no more benefit than a high school diploma, minus STEM degrees.
I think you forgot about the people who still think a high school diploma is all they need. It's either McDonalds, or living in a dorm making iPhones.
Thing is you don't need much more than a high school degree. There's these things called apprenticeships where you learn a trade. People can look down on trades but who are they calling when they need a house built or their toilet backs up?
 
Anyone remember that robot Apple built that carefully deconstructs the iPhone and sorts all components to be recycled? Well what happens when they set that robot in reverse?
Taking something apart is 1000 times easier than putting it together.

remember that time my iPhone fell on the concrete floor and completely fell apart? What happens if I throw the broken parts up in the sky?
 
Apple can try to get with some higher education institute and provide as a benefit for low-earning employee the possibility to do a free online 4 year degree. You stay with the company 4 years, you produce, you get free classes and get out of the production line with a Bachelor Degree.

Cool. So who's paying for this "benefit"?
 
Oh my goodness stop it with the racist remarks already. This is the second one I've seen where you speak in a derogatory way about "uneducated white men" and now this. I'm surprised at you. If I were the type to be offended by words like some naive person who needs a safe place, then I would be offended because my white male high school educated nephew would indeed benefit from a job like this if there were any to be had in our area. Not everyone is cut out to be a doctor or a clerical worker or a poet or a priest. I'm proud of my nephew regardless. He's come through a lot in life given some setbacks he was born with.

This isn't about race or gender anyway. I'm a half Asian half white woman and even I expressed interest in a job making iPhones. And as I said in a earlier post, I remember a time when factory jobs offered women a great opportunity to work outside of the home and bring some income in. Former homemakers like my great aunt could get back into the workforce with modest initial training and work their way up with increasingly advanced training. That old paradigm may be gone but there are still many households with an unemployed adult needing direction and opportunity back into the work force.

These jobs could be an incredible boon to people of all kinds from all walks of life and backgrounds. I have a Business Degree from the University of MD and even with that degree the circumstances of my life are such that a part time factory shift making my favorite gadget would be welcome. I don't know how long I could endure at it with some health problems I've developed but I could work long enough to add to the nest egg my husband and I have built.

Look, I remember your NeverTrump hashtag. I despise the guy myself and hate it that anti minority racist and mysogynistic rhetoric has made a comeback in the wake of his campaign. But he actually didn't start it. It's been brewing under the surface for years. As a past victim of hate crimes myself I made it my business to monitor hate sites and saw this coming. He did bring it to a head and gave it a voice. I despise him for that. It makes my life infinitely more complicated and ugly. So I get where you are coming from. I sincerely do.

Just don't meet racism with another brand of bigotry please. And open your mind to at least contemplating making lemonade out of lemons for the longsuffering unemployed and underemployed people of this country. China can and will take care of its own. I don't think their government agonizes over our unemployed who have turned to drugs and despair.

I despise identity politics of any form. Now instead of pandering to women, minorities or gays it's white working class folks from Appalachia and the rust belt. Like I said this is all about redistributing a fixed pie. Those other groups got their spoils now it's the white working class folks turn. Trump is just a populist demagogue like we've had before with William Jennings Bryan, Huey Long, Father Coughlin, etc. He's Pat Buchanan without the religious bent. People will be in for a rude awakening when he doesn't deliver on the promises he made. I predict what happened to Obama in 2010 will happen to Trump in 2018.
 
Thing is you don't need much more than a high school degree. There's these things called apprenticeships where you learn a trade. People can look down on trades but who are they calling when they need a house built or their toilet backs up?

The problem is some people think a high school degree is all they need.

I recall talking to a plumber about 10 years ago and I asked how much did he make (about $75/hr). Not the most glorious job and sometimes it stinks, but it is a living. I think most people can't fathom sticking their hands in **** and even complain about working in fast food.
 
The problem is some people think a high school degree is all they need.

I recall talking to a plumber about 10 years ago and I asked how much did he make (about $75/hr). Not the most glorious job and sometimes it stinks, but it is a living. I think most people can't fathom sticking their hands in **** and even complain about working in fast food.
Kind of what I was getting at. For $75 an hour I can wear rubber gloves and take a shower before relaxing at home.
Mike Rowe offers a far better example of hard work. Dirty Jobs was an awesome show and to this day Rowe is still an advocate for the skill trades.

ETA: Using your example that plumber gave. $75 an hour not including after hours/holiday pay is pulling in a gross $156,000 a year and that was 10 years ago. There's a lot I would do for $100k a year.
 
Make America Great Again! lol

In all seriousness, I expect a lot of this will be automated, but building factories, equipment, and maintenance, etc. would all be new jobs for the US, which I wouldn't complain about. Plus the working conditions would obviously be better than some of the horror stories we've heard.
 
Kind of what I was getting at. For $75 an hour I can wear rubber gloves and take a shower before relaxing at home.
Mike Rowe offers a far better example of hard work. Dirty Jobs was an awesome show and to this day Rowe is still an advocate for the skill trades.

ETA: Using your example that plumber gave. $75 an hour not including after hours/holiday pay is pulling in a gross $156,000 a year and that was 10 years ago. There's a lot I would do for $100k a year.
The worst thing I saw (and I don't know if it was Mike's show) was the guy that had to scuba dive into Mexico's sewage system to unstuck plugs. Visibility: about 1 inch. He had to feel his way to the plug and then remove it.

He made good money.
 
Kind of what I was getting at. For $75 an hour I can wear rubber gloves and take a shower before relaxing at home.
Mike Rowe offers a far better example of hard work. Dirty Jobs was an awesome show and to this day Rowe is still an advocate for the skill trades.

ETA: Using your example that plumber gave. $75 an hour not including after hours/holiday pay is pulling in a gross $156,000 a year and that was 10 years ago.

I remember that show. Vocational jobs, in the right market, can make a killing. Also, there is an important truth that most people neglect to realize because these jobs don't require a lot of skill: these jobs can't be outsourced.

There's a lot I would do for $100k a year.

Oh you would hate me. I went to college largely on the 'govments dime, even if the GI biil paled in comparison to what people received a long time ago (or just recently of which I missed the boat). I probably make about 140k (this includes stock and yearly bonuses and disability). Honestly, I don't keep track of every dollar until the end of the year lol.

I definitely don't have to work very hard. Sure, some days, I have to actually engage my brain for a full 8 hours a day. Rarely, I have to fully engage in a full 40 hours per week. I get to complain about my back cramping from sitting too long lol. I don't remember the last time I actually had to sweat. The horror, the horror! I may the laziest man in all of Los Angeles right after the Dude.
 
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Actually for tech skilled labour is a big factor. If apple needed let's say 30000 new skilled workers. In China that can be accomplished in days. Here in the US it would take months if. It years to find that same amount of workers. You can easily ramp up production there than here.
That is a good point, although it is largely a result of the cyclical nature of relying on China's cheap labor for so many years; if we had built up manufacturing in the states, the workforce would already be in place, and large-scale mobilization wouldn't be an issue.
 
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