G5 iMac?

[MacinDoc]

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That should be spelled ,

"... as high as 2.0 on the twenty-three inch high end."

Sure, if you want an iMac priced higher than the most expensive Power Mac. The 23" display alone sells for $1999...

Well, we can always dream...

 

[Daveway]

Unreality check:

17" 1.6 G5/512/80 for $1,499
20" 1.8 G5/512/120 for $1,899
HEADLESS 1.8/512/120 G5 for $1,299

•CPU housing: 4"H x 16"W x 6"D, perforated brushed Al housing to match CD, just enough heft to counterbalance the LCD
•display stand coming out of the top with VESA compatibility
•cool pulsing white Apple logo on face of display stand (w/ extra color panels to match iPod mini)
•iPod dock on top of CPU case
•BT keyboard that tastefully docks to the face of CPU to recharge without blocking the optical drive
• two button scroll BT mouse that docks to the top of the CPU case to recharge
• standard 4X SuperDrive

bwaahahahahahahahahahahha....

i like, i like this setup a lot. This is the first setup anyone has given that seems plausable and accurate.

 

[aswitcher]

Unreality check:

17" 1.6 G5/512/80 for $1,499
20" 1.8 G5/512/120 for $1,899
HEADLESS 1.8/512/120 G5 for $1,299

•CPU housing: 4"H x 16"W x 6"D, perforated brushed Al housing to match CD, just enough heft to counterbalance the LCD
•display stand coming out of the top with VESA compatibility
•cool pulsing white Apple logo on face of display stand (w/ extra color panels to match iPod mini)
•iPod dock on top of CPU case
•BT keyboard that tastefully docks to the face of CPU to recharge without blocking the optical drive
• two button scroll BT mouse that docks to the top of the CPU case to recharge
• standard 4X SuperDrive

bwaahahahahahahahahahahha....

Not bad.

I hear that G5 1.8 will be in constraint when the iMac comes out because its going to be the top end of the iMac...possibly the only speed...

I hope they offer a 23" as well with all the bells and whistles.

FW800 and USB 2.0 would be good.

BT and AE as standard.

New metal look BT keyboard

 

[zelmo]

Why a dock? Why not an airtunes controlling clickwheel?
DJ

A cool idea, but would that be redundant to the iTunes controlling Widget coming with Dashboard when Tiger releases?

 

[bux]

Anyone who knows if there are any leaked specifications about this new iMac?
or is everyone just guessing?

 

[kenaustus]

Slag?

We know that IBM is delivering the 1.8 and 2.0 G5s for the PM. Are there chips that don't make the 1.8 grade - slag? If there are and they can be certified as 1.6 why not use these for the entry level iMac?

Primary benefits would be a significant savings on the G5, allowing for a lower entry level price point. It also allows for a 800 FSB, SATA HDs and faster memory - all which will kick up performance. Price point for the entry level will be a huge factor in the iMacs and I think this is going to be one of Apple's main goals.

Drop the 15" & 17" and use wide screen 16" & 18" displays - again, pushing the price down, but providing something better than the G4 iMac.

I doubt if there has been a computer in the last 5 years that has generated as much interest months ahead of its release. How many would have given their left one to have worked in Apple's design labs over the last year?

 

[zelmo]

Anyone who knows if there are any leaked specifications about this new iMac?
or is everyone just guessing?

I am guessing, but hopefully there is a kernel of logic behind my conjecture...
• single processor G5's makes sense to me, as it distances the performance of the dualie PM's from the pro-sumer iMac line.
• if IBM is working to produce more 2.0 and 2.5 (and higher) G5's, then it stands to reason they have a failure rate which produces certifiable 1.6's, which would make sense to put into at least one of the iMac's.
• Apple (Ives) has a track record of ergonomic, elegant, and functional industrial design.
• less intrusive design suggests BT input devices, since it eliminates desktop clutter.
• minimizing the footprint of the iMac makes sense.
• headless and upgradeable flat panel displays are a much requested element
• the CD's are an indication that Apple continues to lean towards industry standards to help drive costs down (VESA), they are flat out gorgeous and I want one even if I can't afford/don't need the power of a PM.
• the iPod dock might help boost already stellar iPod sales in anticipation of Sony's entry into the maket this fall.

In other words, I have no idea what Apple has up it's sleeve, but I sure do love guessing.

 

[bux]

hehe, ok so it's just guesses (but, some guesses seams to be reasonable I think).
Well, if the new iMac will be "good enough" (in terms of performance vs money) I will definitly buy one (will be my first mac and most likely not my last one),

 

[Daveway]

We know that IBM is delivering the 1.8 and 2.0 G5s for the PM. Are there chips that don't make the 1.8 grade - slag? If there are and they can be certified as 1.6 why not use these for the entry level iMac?

Primary benefits would be a significant savings on the G5, allowing for a lower entry level price point. It also allows for a 800 FSB, SATA HDs and faster memory - all which will kick up performance. Price point for the entry level will be a huge factor in the iMacs and I think this is going to be one of Apple's main goals.

Drop the 15" & 17" and use wide screen 16" & 18" displays - again, pushing the price down, but providing something better than the G4 iMac.

I doubt if there has been a computer in the last 5 years that has generated as much interest months ahead of its release. How many would have given their left one to have worked in Apple's design labs over the last year?

What you are saying here could quite be put no better than "ur eating ur own c**p."

I find it hard to believe that Apple would invest in 16 and 18 inch FPs. They're such an odd screen size people may not go for that plusit may be difficult to make that odd screen size. Also, about the processor issue, i dont know understand what ur talking about. It sounds like ur saying use the reject G5's. Please clarify.

Sorry if i sound stupid. Who came up with the idea of a built in dock? Thats stupid, not everybody has an ipod and it just doesnt seem right!

 

[kenaustus]

BT would be nice, but as I understand it there are setup problems and wired is needed to get started. I also think that the cost of a BT mouse & keyboard might be a factor that hurts it's chances, plus the fact that some users would not be happy with buying a lot of batteries.

My money is that the iMac will include both BT and wireless, but you have to pay for the external equipment if you want it.

Headless only if the display is packed in the box to provide for a AIO factor when attached.

All factors in my mind point to holding costs down for the entry level version.

 

[kenaustus]

I doubt if all G5 chips rate 1.8 or higher. While one that rates "only" 1.6 may be "slag" for the PM it may very well be a great chip for an entry level iMac - especially if other new G5 technologies, like a fast FSB are included. It may be a "reject" for the PM, but could kick @ss in an ENTRY level iMac.

As for the screens I would love to see the size move up 1", especially the 15". Wide screen, just like on my new PB. The issue would be to put more in a entry level iMac (16") and the mid range (18") while not moving both up one full notch. Again, trying to hold entry level costs down while giving more. In terms of costs, FPs are coming down in price and a supplier may be very happy to accommodate Apple at a very good price. Working with suppliers on innovative ideas is one thing Apple does very well. Upping the size of the two "industry standard" sizes might be under the Think Different approach.

What I'm waiting for is a 20" iMac (hopefully 2.0) and will put in a BTO the day it is available on the Apple Store. Since I'm going to get one I'm definitely one that doesn't want to see the G5 iMac a piece of crap.

 

[aswitcher]

I doubt if all G5 chips rate 1.8 or higher. While one that rates "only" 1.6 may be "slag" for the PM it may very well be a great chip for an entry level iMac - especially if other new G5 technologies, like a fast FSB are included. It may be a "reject" for the PM, but could kick @ss in an ENTRY level iMac.

What I'm waiting for is a 20" iMac (hopefully 2.0) and will put in a BTO the day it is available on the Apple Store. Since I'm going to get one I'm definitely one that wants to see the G5 iMac a piece of crap.

Sure the 1.6 might appear in the 17" but it would be nice if they just put 1.8s instead to try and catch up to the PC homeuser market.

I am pretty sure the 15" will not appear in the G5imac.
17" and 20" are a fair bet and I think the 23" is a possibility for the prosumer.

 

[iDave]

Since I'm going to get one I'm definitely one that wants to see the G5 iMac a piece of crap.

Huh, say again?

 

[Daveway]

look here

Look what i found. Cool, huh?

 

[skunk]

"The Half Marrow"?

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Look what i found. Cool, huh?

Very cool. Though rumors are for a pizza box design. Maybe on its end, as opposed to being flat.

 

[Daveway]

Im a little suspicious of the pizza box design. Have you read that article where steve n ive bashed that idea to a pulp?

I've heard people talking about putting the logic board on the lcd and the drives in the base and the fact is, is that is just not "logic"al. There would be too many ide n other cable going around and it would be a mess.

 

[gooddog]

It's deja-vu all over again ...Stealth iMac approacheth!!!

Sure, if you want an iMac priced higher than the most expensive Power Mac. The 23" display alone sells for $1999...

Well, we can always dream...

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This exact same argument could have been applied to the 20" iMac before it came out .

The price of the 20" then was such that adding a CPU to it would be extremely expensive etc. AND the weight would drag down the neck AND the size would be grotesque ...

Those who say "NAY" are dreamers too -- of negative, inside the box nightmares.

Yet the 20" iMac DID come out, the price of the 20" monitors did go down , and the result was an AWESOME iMac ( picture - wise) and at a price that seemed like we bought the LCD and got the CPU base/drives/etc thrown in for free.

Slice it anyway you want to, use current 20" prices if you want to...

the next iMac will have a 23" HD up-town model... even if the iPods have to pay for it. And it will be VESA compliant.

And all peripheral I/O's will be BT.

I am as sure of it as I am that
the mouse will have 1 (one) button.

In fact, this Stealth Mac will look like a current metal 23" display with a slightlty heftier base and riser.

The riser may have a perforated panel along the backside with a clean front adorned only by a throbing Apple logo/power button.

The 2GHz G5 will live in the riser/chimney.

The foot of the stand will house the drives etc., with all non-BT ports to the rear.

The panel will be removable and VESA.

It will have H.264/AVC in a chip built in to wi-fi the picture from the removable base : for wall-mounted use.

The BT keyboard will be backlit and recharge from the base.

This will be very much a multi-media hub machine with all accomodations for wi-fi music/video/etc. com to stereos, home theatres, etc.

In keeping with the Stealth theme,
( where did the CPU go ???!!!) the up-town model will have a satin-black (very slightly violet sheen) anodized option.

You may call it "gooddog's Mac" if
Ives doesn't object.

It will rival the lower end PowerMacs in power - not expandability.

It will have VPC-7 pre-installed.

It will sell like hot cakes -- approaching iPod proportions.

Since I blew my budget on a 12" loaded PB for my teaching job , when the iMac failed to appear at WWDC, ..........

I am poised to purchase the second revision of the Stealth Mac ( MY NAME FOR IT COINED BY ME SINCE THE CPU SEEMS TO HAVE TOTALLY DISAPPEARED ) , if not the first.

I humbly request that this post be carved in black Italian marble for future reference


---gooddog

 

[hwnelson]

Some cool designs I found for a possible imac G5.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Some interesting designs there.

I like the last one the best.

 

[relimw]

Something tells me the 'ashtray' design is prolly not going to happen, altho stranger things have happened (the 'desklamp' for the original imac...). I kind of like the pentagon version tho, esspecially if it has decent speakers

 

[Doctor Q]

I had occasion to open up an iMac last weekend (replacing the Superdrive) and it was definitely amazing to see again how they shoehorned a square peg into a round hole. I like the designs people have proposed for the next iMac, but the downside of an amazing shape is that it can make it hard to do upgrades inside the case.

 

[zelmo]

I had occasion to open up an iMac last weekend (replacing the Superdrive) and it was definitely amazing to see again how they shoehorned a square peg into a round hole. I like the designs people have proposed for the next iMac, but the downside of an amazing shape is that it can make it hard to do upgrades inside the case.

Say, how much of a pain was it to upgrade that SuperDrive? I'd love to upgrade mine to an 8X or even a 4X dvd burner. That stock drive on my G4 800 iMac is slooowww.

 

[Doctor Q]

Say, how much of a pain was it to upgrade that SuperDrive? I'd love to upgrade mine to an 8X or even a 4X dvd burner. That stock drive on my G4 800 iMac is slooowww.

It was much harder than drive replacements in other (rectangular) models. It's possible only if you have (a) the right screwdrivers, which aren't the regular ones you have in that junk drawer in the kitchen and (b) the maintenance manual that Apple has posted somewhere (the copies I had weren't up to date, which added to the fun). I also had to use some thermal grease (used to dissipate heat); something I never had to do before. A friend who has been through it before helped me, and without that I wouldn't have been able to do it "myself". So, to answer your question, I would say it is high on the pain scale.

 

[MacinDoc]

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This exact same argument could have been applied to the 20" iMac before it came out .

The price of the 20" then was such that adding a CPU to it would be extremely expensive etc. AND the weight would drag down the neck AND the size would be grotesque ...

Those who say "NAY" are dreamers too -- of negative, inside the box nightmares.

Yet the 20" iMac DID come out, the price of the 20" monitors did go down , and the result was an AWESOME iMac ( picture - wise) and at a price that seemed like we bought the LCD and got the CPU base/drives/etc thrown in for free.

Slice it anyway you want to, use current 20" prices if you want to...

the next iMac will have a 23" HD up-town model... even if the iPods have to pay for it. And it will be VESA compliant.

Wow, are you saying that the FP displays that were just announced at WWDC are going down in price already? I hope you're right about this, and about the 2 GHz G5, as well, since this machine would be perfect for me, especially if the price doesn't change much from the previous models.

I do believe that this will eventually happen, but I have slightly more modest expectations for the iMacs to be released in September. Well, just over a month until Expo Paris...