Galaxy S8 Preorders Were Samsung's 'Best Ever'

[melendezest]

Is this really a tentpole feature of the Galaxy S8 now?

As I said in an earlier comment... I think it's a cool idea. I'm not sure it will ever take off and be used by a large population... but it's cool nonetheless.

But don't forget... Apple has been able to sell a billion iPhones without this sort of feature.

So I think Apple will be OK

This is the same mentality that led Apple to release the Tube Mac Pro, TB MBPs, etc.

They can continue to do this at their own peril.

The iPhone is the most crippled high-end smartphone out there. People have started to notice.

But the Apple brand is the strongest there is, so yes, I think Apple will be OK for a while.

 

[zone23]

Well I got the S8+ here and I'm starting to feel like the honeymoon is over and going back to my 7+. The main reason for me is the lack of any type of voice control (bixby/Siri). I use voice assistant (Siri) on my iPhone all the time and not having the ability to turn off lights, reply/start a text, play music or just say whats the weather is a deal breaker. I got a real taste of this in my car this morning when my daughter sent me a text about forgetting her Chromebook for school. I could play back her text just fine but the car had very limited text responses where if I would have had my iPhone the car would allow me to respond with a full sentence. Its a 2015 Jeep with limited but working Siri support. Just my 2 cents.

 

[jamesrick80]

For everyday use, those benchmarks became irrelevant years ago -- they might be interesting for people who mostly use their phones as game consoles, but even that can be doubted. The times when you had to suffer from the Java tax when using an Android phone are gone. What you buy today is fast enough to provide a good enough user experience throughout all tasks.

The S8, with its dock that turns it into a DESKTOP PC, has been tested to even provide sufficient compute power to run it as a portable/mobile desktop platform -- and unlike iOS, Android CAN multi-task and PROPERLY run multiple applications simultaneously (what you would expect from a true desktop). Try doing that with an iPhone.

Thanks for pointing this out. Apple cannot even make its Ipad Pro ("big and small") perform like a desktop PC but Samsung could simply do that with a phone. I applaud Samsung and shame on apple for saying the ipad can replace a PC; still does not have a proper file manager nor mouse/trackpad support which is something almost every galaxy phone or tablet has.

 

[I7guy]

This is the same mentality that led Apple to release the Tube Mac Pro, TB MBPs, etc.

They can continue to do this at their own peril.

The iPhone is the most crippled high-end smartphone out there. People have started to notice.

But the Apple brand is the strongest there is, so yes, I think Apple will be OK for a while.

What does crippled mean? 3dt, Apple Pay, continuity, handoff, home kit etc doesn't sound crippled to me. But we all have our "personal" definitions...

What people are noticing what?

 

[tooltalk]

Samsung is like the Trump of smart phone makers.

and Apple like Milo Yiannopoulos of smart phone makers?

(i kid, i kid)
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If marketshare is fair, profit share is also fair.

I guess revenue share is also fair. How about my shoe size?

 

[I7guy]

Thanks for pointing this out. Apple cannot even make its Ipad Pro ("big and small") perform like a desktop PC but Samsung could simply do that with a phone. I applaud Samsung and shame on apple for saying the ipad can replace a PC; still does not have a proper file manager nor mouse/trackpad support which is something almost every galaxy phone or tablet has.

Dex is in no way a desktop pc. If I'm going to haul around a dock I'll carry around my sp4 or MacBook Air and at least have a real computer. Dex was doa as this concept has never worked in the past not once.

 

[maflynn]

Best ever but no figures? They're Amazon now.

And Apple, as Apple made a similar comment about the new MBP

 

[I7guy]

and Apple like Milo Yiannopoulos of smart phone makers?

(i kid, i kid)
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I guess revenue share is also fair. How about my shoe size?

Sure, throw any metric you want into the conversation.

 

[DNichter]

If marketshare is fair, profit share is also fair.

Sure, I'd agree there. Just depends how you view performance.

 

[randymac09]

No, they don't.

Here ya go, enjoy.

Again, overall, no, they don't. You can cherry pick all you like.

Oh, AND...

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...apple-in-worldwide-smartphone-market.1953258/

As I said...

In Dnichter's defense, he did say iPhones outsell any Samsung phone, not all. That means that the top selling iPhone does outsell any phone that Samsung makes. But, as a whole, Samsung sells more phones.

mmmmm, semantics.

 

[TechGeek76]

In Dnichter's defense, he did say iPhones outsell any Samsung phone, not all. That means that that the top selling iPhone does outsell any phone that Samsung makes. But, as a whole, Samsung sells more phones.

mmmmm, semantics.

He is implying Apple just outsells them. That's flat out false.

 

[jamesrick80]

Dex is in no way a desktop pc. If I'm going to haul around a dock I'll carry around my sp4 or MacBook Air and at least have a real computer. Dex was doa as this concept has never worked in the past not once.

No one said it is a desktop PC, I stated it can perform like a desktop PC. Furthermore, I emphasized the fact that almost every recent galaxy device has more PC/desktop functions (file manager and mouse/trackpad support) than any "iphone or ipad". Dex only furthers this notion. Thanks.......

 

[zone23]

What does crippled mean? 3dt, Apple Pay, continuity, handoff, home kit etc doesn't sound crippled to me. But we all have our "personal" definitions...

What people are noticing what?

He considers it crippled because you can't freely move the icons around or theme it.

 

[randymac09]

He is implying Apple just outsells them. That's flat out false.

If that's what he is implying, then yes, that is false. But what he said is iPhones sell more than any Samsung phone, which is a true statement.

Like I alluded to before, I think this confusion is brought on by semantics. You guys are arguing 2 different things. iPhone (7+,7,6s, or whatever) vs Samsung phone (S8, S7, or whatever), and Apple's iPhone division vs Samsung's phone division.

That's just my take on this situation.

 

[melendezest]

Well I got the S8+ here and I'm starting to feel like the honeymoon is over and going back to my 7+. The main reason for me is the lack of any type of voice control (bixby/Siri). I use voice assistant (Siri) on my iPhone all the time and not having the ability to turn off lights, reply/start a text, play music or just say whats the weather is a deal breaker. I got a real taste of this in my car this morning when my daughter sent me a text about forgetting her Chromebook for school. I could play back her text just fine but the car had very limited text responses where if I would have had my iPhone the car would allow me to respond with a full sentence. Its a 2015 Jeep with limited but working Siri support. Just my 2 cents.

If Bixby is not working, Google Assistant should still be available on the device, no?

Moving from iOS to Android will introduce a learning curve, so I don't blame you if you want to keep it Apple-simple.

IDK about the S8, but most Sammy devices have an 'Easy mode' setting that transforms the UI into a more Apple-like config. Hope that helps.

 

[I7guy]

No one said it is a desktop PC, I stated it can perform like a desktop PC. Furthermore, I emphasized the fact that almost every recent galaxy device has more PC/desktop functions (file manager and mouse/trackpad support) than any "iphone or ipad". Dex only furthers this notion. Thanks.......

Okay, so "it can perform like a desktop pc" is not the point, in my own use case I see no point of it and furthermore pointed out there has never been any mass scale success with this type of thing in the past. Thanks....

 

[jamesrick80]

Okay, so "it can perform like a desktop pc" is not the point, in my own use case I see no point of it and furthermore pointed out there has never been any mass scale success with this type of thing in the past. Thanks....

That's the problem you are only thinking about "your" use case.

 

[zone23]

If Bixby is not working, Google Assistant should still be available on the device, no?

Moving from iOS to Android will introduce a learning curve, so I don't blame you if you want to keep it Apple-simple.

IDK about the S8, but most Sammy devices have an 'Easy mode' setting that transforms the UI into a more Apple-like config. Hope that helps.

The S8 did not ship with voice Bixby because it ins't ready. Google Assistant wont work with the phone locked and I can't activate it just by pressing the voice button on the steering wheel like I can Siri. It really does suck. I guess Samsung users are just accustomed to crappy voice control or install apps to work around it.

 

[TechGeek76]

If that's what he is implying, then yes, that is false. But what he said is iPhones sell more than any Samsung phone, which is a true statement.

Like I alluded to before, I think this confusion is brought on by semantics. You guys are arguing 2 different things. iPhone (7+,7,6s, or whatever) vs Samsung phone (S8, S7, or whatever), and Apple's iPhone division vs Samsung's phone division.

That's just my take on this situation.

The original post I replied to, not to him, which was claiming that Apple outsells Samsung YEARLY, is all I was fixing. No misunderstanding on my part at all.

 

[The Game 161]

Well I got the S8+ here and I'm starting to feel like the honeymoon is over and going back to my 7+. The main reason for me is the lack of any type of voice control (bixby/Siri). I use voice assistant (Siri) on my iPhone all the time and not having the ability to turn off lights, reply/start a text, play music or just say whats the weather is a deal breaker. I got a real taste of this in my car this morning when my daughter sent me a text about forgetting her Chromebook for school. I could play back her text just fine but the car had very limited text responses where if I would have had my iPhone the car would allow me to respond with a full sentence. Its a 2015 Jeep with limited but working Siri support. Just my 2 cents.

why not use google assistant? the best voice assistant around IMO

 

[zone23]

why not use google assistant? the best voice assistant around IMO

It doesn't work with the phone locked. I went through this very same thing with the S7 Edge. People claim it works but never does or very inconsistent.

 

[randymac09]

The original post I replied to, not to him, which was claiming that Apple outsells Samsung YEARLY, is all I was fixing. No misunderstanding on my part at all.

You said "no they don't" in response to DNitcher saying "And yet more people buy iPhones every year than any Samsung phone. I think their design, services, and OS are doing just fine." (that's the first disagreement I saw from you regarding iPhone vs Samsung phone sales)

Again, here DNitcher uses any Samsung phone not all Samsung. Take your pick S7, S7+ and so on, any one of those devices Apple sells more iPhones (whether it be 7, 7+, 6s) in a year.

 

[I7guy]

That's the problem you are only thinking about "your" use case.

If there has never been any mass scale success it seems there may be probably many others will a similar use case to mine. On the other hand you may be thinking there are many others with use case similar to yours...

 

[melendezest]

What does crippled mean? 3dt, Apple Pay, continuity, handoff, home kit etc doesn't sound crippled to me. But we all have our "personal" definitions...

What people are noticing what?

True, all definitions are personal and none are 'right' or 'wrong' in an absolute sense.

So let me clarify. I define crippled not by what you can do with the device, but what you cannot do, or by what a device lacks in both hardware and software:

The iPhone lacks a headphone jack.
The iPhone lacks microSD expansion.
The iPhone lacks a 'back' button.
The iPhone (iOS) lacks mouse support.
The iPhone (iOS) lacks filesystem access.
The iPhone (iOS) lacks UI customization.
The iPhone (iOS) lacks an ability to close all apps (not one at a time)

Conversely:
The Android (high-end) devices lack 3DT (although it doesn't stop you from doing something).
Everything else has equivalents in the Android world.

 

[TechGeek76]

You said "no they don't" in response to DNitcher saying "And yet more people buy iPhones every year than any Samsung phone. I think their design, services, and OS are doing just fine." (that's the first disagreement I saw from you regarding iPhone vs Samsung phone sales)

Again, here DNitcher uses any Samsung phone not all Samsung. Take your pick S7, S7+ and so on, any one of those devices Apple sells more iPhones (whether it be 7, 7+, 6s) in a year.

I'm done. Have a nice day. My point still stands.