I don't know If you remember. Many years ago, when gen2 of the MacBook Air came. And there was like lines diagonally over the screen, it looked like ****.
I remember what the store said "It's a feature" it is like that.
But they changed it after I called Apple.
yepI love it, I think there's a big difference in the feel of the keyboard, definitely softer / more padded.
I’ve read the warranty, and as you say, it states “You are entitled to a replacement or refund for a major failure”. But the choice of which warranty remedy you receive, under Apple’s voluntary warranty, is up to Apple. The warranty document states:
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This applies if you are seeking remedy under Apple’s voluntary warranty.
If you use the ACL, your remedy is with the retailer. Specifically, the ACL states “You cannot demand a repair, replacement or refund from the manufacturer.”
It doesn’t appear that you can demand that Apple make a refund based on the Apple warranty, since there’s no language that provides for that, even though that’s the remedy you prefer.
Interesting, and thank you for the follow up. “What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away” may not apply here it seems. The misleading part really is key, thank the ACL for that.Thanks for your comment.
Although I think your conclusion is incorrect (because there is language that provides for consumer entitlement for a refund in this Apple warranty, to which Apple is bound, read its top paragraph!), you have made me realise I might not be able to use the line, "Apple will ... exchange the Apple Product for a refund of your purchase price" as a justification to have my claim enforced with NSW Fair Trading, because of the slimy words "at [Apple's] option" inside the context of that quote in the warranty.
But the rest of what you've said, I've already checked with ACCC and discussed it earlier in this thread - see here.
Now, about those quotes from the ACCC, I do suspect that the following one might not apply to my case but is only in the case of statutory warranty:
"If it is considered to be a major failure, then it is up to the consumer to pick [the remedy option]...They should be providing you with the remedy that you request as the consumer, under the law."
Under statutory warranty, it is clearly laid out that only the reseller is obligated to go with the remedy option the consumer picks in the case of a major failure, and that manufacturers are not obligated to issue the refund at all.
(I will however double check on that with ACCC on Monday, because if it turns out the above principle applies even to a voluntary warranty that merely lists the consumer entitlement to a refund, then Apple is 100% PWND.)
But that aside, you need to remember that this is a 'voluntary warranty' that Apple have provided on top of statutory warranty, through which ACL requires them to not be misleading to the consumer, and to which ACL still applies as it relates to dispute resolution and misconduct charges.
As I quoted before, as directly from the ACCC:
"If they do state [your entitlement to a refund] in their [voluntary] warranty, they do need to adhere to the warranty that they've set, because if they don't, or they fail to, it could be misleading within our laws... If they choose not to adhere to the warranty that they've offered, it could be misleading."
And more specifically to my case and Apple's slimy wording:
"Our laws do prevent businesses from being misleading. If they do have the upfront statement that does say something, but the fine print then contradicts that, that could be a misleading statement that they do have in the document, and then that would possibly be in breach of our laws."
And even stronger (and this is what surprised me):
"Generally, if someone is misled by anything, any statement made, for example, they are entitled to a remedy which is to put them back into the situation that they would have been in had they not been misled."
So, it seems clear to me, that my claim for a refund from the manufacturer under their voluntary warranty against defects can be enforced by Fair Trading because of the clarity of their statement about it at the top of it.
So thanks for your comment, it seems more informed as to ACL than anyone else I've seen in this thread, but it seems that (based on what ACCC have told me) ACL applies to custom warranties in many ways too, such that companies like Apple can't avoid the regulations of consumer law (in the legislation) via any custom or slimy wording or contradictory fine print in their own voluntary warranty itself, and I'm getting the impression that ACCC really do side with the consumer when something like this takes place.
I'd be interested in your reply to this. Maybe you didn't know that ACL applies to voluntary warranties as well?
What happened to your tab key?I just moved from rMB 2016 to new Pro. The keyboard has a BIT more travel, is quieter, and feels a bit more mushy (as in a bit more 2015 rMBP) after the painfully precise rMB. I need a bit to get used to it, I'm surprised at the difference. But it is definitely quieter by FAR. As for dust, uh-oh at that Tab key!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.gif – a large reason why I bought this one is to avoid keyboard problems :S
F it, I give up Apple! Take my money for the 2018, I can’t bear to go through a fourth keyboard replacement on the 2016![]()
I have given up trying to understand this world. Nothing makes sense anymore! 😀That'll teach em!
Buying another overpriced machine, earlier than normal 😀
I have given up trying to understand this world. Nothing makes sense anymore! 😀
Its really not a monopoly. Its their product, and there are other operating systems other then macOS to choose from.Apple's monopoly on macOS
Its really not a monopoly. Its their product, and there are other operating systems other then macOS to choose from.
Oh I see, and yeah, we'll not see any licensing of macOS, as that will invariably spell doom for the mac line, like it did before. In some ways it's getting harder to justify the mac hardware and if apple opens the doors to computer makers to load macOS on their hardware, I think many frustrated owners will abandon apple.
Apple will NOT replace 2016/17 MBP with gen 3 keyboards. It'd be nice though.
I thought they reduced the size of the keys, not the top case. Tbh, I've not really researched it, but there were early claims that some apple stores did a keyboard replacement with the 3rd gen. I have no way to confirm this, but I took it at face valueThe new keyboard with membrane is taller than the older ones so I think they've shaved off a bit of height in the top case or screen part to accommodate it.
I thought they reduced the size of the keys, not the top case. Tbh, I've not really researched it, but there were early claims that some apple stores did a keyboard replacement with the 3rd gen. I have no way to confirm this, but I took it at face value
That would be the worst business move they could potentially make. Imagine the amount of Chinese "ayPhone XX" sellers offering their "iOS devices" on AliExpress for $99!
I agree. It will be interesting to see how far people (me included) will be willing to go along for the ride for the sake of the OS.So far, we seem to have accepted higher price, lower reliability, soldered components (that were previously replaceable) and a touchbar.To be fair, due to Apple's monopoly on macOS (bar Hackintosh alternatives), users end up with no choice other than to jump to Windows/Linux machines which some people have, but not everyone is able to.
I agree. It will be interesting to see how far people (me included) will be willing to go along for the ride for the sake of the OS.So far, we seem to have accepted higher price, lower reliability, soldered components (that were previously replaceable) and a touchbar.
The other day, my prof. called me a luddite because I refused to replace my MBP with a Touchbar model 😉. He said hat while banging on the 'b' key extra hard cause it had stopped working correctly on his 2017 model. He could not afford another week without his primary machine and had decided to get it replaced during Christmas! So it seems people are also willing to suffer to own OSX. Fascinating beings we are....😛
There's also the issue of the function keys. For Apple to put the new keyboard design in 2016-17 models, they'd have to design and stock a Generation 3 butterfly keyboard with function keys for the non-Touchbar 13" model. Just for repairs. I don't think Apple is willing to do that. Given the rumors of the "new MacBook Air" and the fact that the non-Touchbar models did not get upgraded, it looks like Apple is going to ditch the non-Touchbar MacBook Pro, and it's more cost-effective to continue replacing top cases with the ones they have than to manufacture and stock a new kind of top case just for repairs on a machine they intend to stop selling.I don't think the new keyboard will fit which is the main issue. The new keyboard with membrane is taller than the older ones so I think they've shaved off a bit of height in the top case or screen part to accommodate it.