It’s just so nice being on my 2015 15” that gives me exactly zero problems, ever.
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It will stop them altogether potentially - as it looks like they pump Apple’s figures into their systems to do that analysis piece with their proprietary method.
I’m not sure if there are other ways to extrapolate the data like they seem to be doing with some of the other manufacturers - the article does mention that it can’t see how they can even be accurate with said Windows manufacturers if it got Apple so wrong. So it’s true maybe they could still pump figures if they get some other source of data. But it doesn’t bode well if the figure are that off with official figures as input!
Not having figures probably stops people being able to claim credibility when throwing around doomsayer narratives. I wonder how that original article of Gartner/IDC would have read without that data - would it have been filled with caveats, pretty much removing substance from the article? Probably that is what Apple would like to achieve as stock price is so sensitive to analyst reporting.
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I'm curious, what is the skin and what was your experience with it?
On a side note, Scrivener 3 for Windows is in a very stable beta stage, works just like the mac one and is currently free since - well, since it's beta
:https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=40621
Back to the topic - the new Macbook Pro may be whatever, but it's definitely not the powerhouse machine that the previous versions used to be. More like a superluxury fancy machine for people who have a lot of money and wouldn't be very upset if - or, which would be far more appropriate, when - it breaks.
I've moved to Surface Book 2. There are a few things I do miss quite a bit (trackpad, easier updates, speakers, USB C charging), but the fact that - ironically - IT JUST WORKS and keys don't break or get stuck ever is something that cannot be matched by all the other advantages the Macbook is offering.
I don't know yet, I won't get the Windows machine until tomorrow earliest
I just googled "how to make windows look like macos" to see if it's possible. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like I can make File Exploder look like Finder.This is one of the reasons I finally stopped telling myself "well... maybe it won't break... and Unshaky fixes most problems..." and decided to take a plunge.On a side note, Scrivener 3 for Windows is in a very stable beta stage, works just like the mac one and is currently free since - well, since it's beta
I find the base i5 model fast enough for everything I throw on it (which isn't just Scrivener
) – I even managed to do some light-ish gaming on it. But, aye. It's exactly as you said – a fancy machine for people who don't mind when it breaks. If the new Air started at €1099 for 256 GB storage, I would probably try it out of sheer desperation. But the 256 GB model costs €1599. With 8 GB RAM.I just wrote a very nice goodbye email to tcook@apple.com about our conscious uncoupling. I didn't ask that question, but what I would REALLY like to know is who has enough power at Apple to push those horrible keyboards since 2015 even though a free repair program needed to be introduced after news about class lawsuits appeared. The quote from Jony Ive in my signature comes from an interview about iPad Pros, but it's very ironic when I'm typing now and checking how many double presses Unshaky caught in the last hour. (Only five. The €2989 keyboard is practically perfect!)
What really drives me insane here is that the Magic Keyboards are actually pretty great, very thin and low profile and 100% reliable.
I really wish they'd just put those in the laptops or even some newer version of them.
The scissor switches are proven winners over the long term with basically no reliability issues at all.
They also have a touch more travel and feel and bounce to them (less clicky) and I find it to be infinitely more comfortable than the butterflies.
I really wish they'd just put those in the laptops or even some newer version of them.
The scissor switches are proven winners over the long term with basically no reliability issues at all.
They also have a touch more travel and feel and bounce to them (less clicky) and I find it to be infinitely more comfortable than the butterflies.
Why would you do that at all?
Win Explorer is a mess. You can't fix it.
But from personal experience, you can't make one OS behave and be like some other OS. Just embrace it, don't fight it. I tried to make some adjustments to OSX to be more Windows like 10+ years ago. For a year I did some idiotic stuff, until finally realising it's not working. Embraced OSX as it is, and it worked like a charm. Now I'm embracing Windows as it is. No other way around it.
If Apple just put in a better dGPU in their machines, I think most people wouldn't be complaining as much. I have the i9 MBP and while I wish it had better graphics performance, I'm not really complaining too much about it. I use it for writing (scrivener, Final Draft), FCPX, and some game development (Xcode, Unity3D, UnrealEngine and Blender). It has served me well with no real hiccups. So far!
Yeah, the keyboard could be better, but I got used to it. The touchbar is kind of useless, but I installed Better TouchTool and I'm seeing some potential there. Though I think I would still prefer physical keys.
I think the problem for most of us is that while Windows is "good enough", it's still not as good as MacOS. My workflow is just really on point on MacOS. Windows and even Linux doesn't feel as complete as MacOS for me. As a creative, having a stable mental workflow is important to me. It keeps me more focused on my work. Windows I feel won't do that for me. At least not right now.
What's more worrisome for me is how the prices keep going up while there are still quite a few issues that haven't been resolved. New ones keep popping up as well. With all the rising prices you would think they would have enough money for quality assurance. I fear the price is what is going to keep me away. Especially if I don't see how the components and issues that come with it, justify the cost. It won't matter if I prefer MacOS over Windows. I'll be forced to use Windows eventually if things keep progressing this way.
I think Apple is making some strides with the pro lines. At least putting in the Vega 16/20 dGPU's in the MBP as BTO options. It's slow. At least it's moving now. I'm just not sure it's enough to sway enough people to stick with the Mac. Especially with the continuing issues and rising prices.
Yeah, the keyboard could be better, but I got used to it. The touchbar is kind of useless, but I installed Better TouchTool and I'm seeing some potential there. Though I think I would still prefer physical keys.
I think the problem for most of us is that while Windows is "good enough", it's still not as good as MacOS. My workflow is just really on point on MacOS. Windows and even Linux doesn't feel as complete as MacOS for me. As a creative, having a stable mental workflow is important to me. It keeps me more focused on my work. Windows I feel won't do that for me. At least not right now.
What's more worrisome for me is how the prices keep going up while there are still quite a few issues that haven't been resolved. New ones keep popping up as well. With all the rising prices you would think they would have enough money for quality assurance. I fear the price is what is going to keep me away. Especially if I don't see how the components and issues that come with it, justify the cost. It won't matter if I prefer MacOS over Windows. I'll be forced to use Windows eventually if things keep progressing this way.
I think Apple is making some strides with the pro lines. At least putting in the Vega 16/20 dGPU's in the MBP as BTO options. It's slow. At least it's moving now. I'm just not sure it's enough to sway enough people to stick with the Mac. Especially with the continuing issues and rising prices.
Same here. Just reached year three on my 2016 15". No problems.
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Sure, all these people "complaining" that they want a keyboard that works without missing letters and phantom double presses, whereas what they *really* want is actually just a better dGPU...??
Sure, all these people "complaining" that they want a keyboard that works without missing letters and phantom double presses, whereas what they *really* want is actually just a better dGPU...??
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This is not the whole truth:
Magic keyboard show some failure in Bluetooth transfer
with the result that sometimes 1 or 2 letters lacking whilst you and your team partner heard the right number of clicks.Apple shows since longer weak mechanical engineering – that's a pity
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Be happy
your version butterfly mechanism 1 is open (without membrane) and you will have the chance to clean it with pressure air if dust or dirt is the reason of a failure – with membrane you could forget it
This is so sad. I passed my 2016 rMB "down" and now I wish I hadn't, because apparently, the 1st gen of those keyboards was the best.Be happy
Eh, I wouldn't say it, I personally prefer it quite a bit to what the Finder does. And even if you don't like it, there are a lot of great alternatives like Xyplorer or Total Commander.
There's also Seer for file previews and WoX as a Spotlight replacement (which I miss far more than Finder).
Well, it would reduce the number of problems from like 6 to 5, so definitely a little bit less complaining
but still demanding:- SD card slot, my $2000 camera doesn't have Wi-Fi transfer and I'm not buying a new one just for the Macbook
- keys that are totally reliable
- MagSafe with USB C, not that hard to engineer
- make it thicker and have better thermals for the 6 core / 9 core versions
- kill the touch bar with fire or at least make it optional when you buy it
TouchBar definitely should be optional, that would be such a welcomed change to so many customers. I’ve seen quite a few developer blogs where they have been recommending the Air/nTB past couple of years as it was the only F key options left.
I don’t think you should expect a return of other slots though, seeing as there is a work around using a dongle/hub.
I don’t think you should expect a return of other slots though, seeing as there is a work around using a dongle/hub.
Touch Bar can’t be optional, it’s all in or just dump it. Developers have little enough reason to develop for it as it is
Something something new Macbook Air retina Macbook Escape Edition Macbook Pro plus all desktops so far something something
And I'm saying this despite actually liking and using the Touch Bar (until I get the Windows laptop hopefully tomorrow).Whoever said this is probably step one in direction of e-ink Yoga Book style keyboards was/is most probably right.
Developers have little enough reason to develop for it because it's terrible: pro users use shortcuts and don't need it(or rebind ESC to other keys - talking about "it just works"), and non-pro users won't be installing BTT to make it at least a bit viable. Making more of a bad decision won't make it good.
Same. My wife is using the 2016 I passed down to her. Though its keyboard longevity will be aided by the fact she uses an external keyboard.
I wasn't really commenting about it's utility, more that it's something developers have to put serious effort/ thought into supporting, it doesn't just happen. When it's limited to probably two of Apple's lower selling notebook models there's no overwhelming reason to really make use of it. If they really pushed it out to all their computer models, then maybe it could be made to be useful, but as things stand yeah they'd just as well dump it. I believe in colloquialism they say 'Go big or go home'!
Re: TouchBar
I've long maintained that they positioned it totally backwards.
It's most appealing and useful to less experienced, less "Pro", more mainstream users, yet they pegged it only to the high end machines.
It should have launched on a 12-13" rMB(A) several years ago and been optional up the line, not the opposite.
The fact that it's still not on desktop external keyboards and the MBA they just released doesn't have it tells me they've perhaps moved on and it'll silently go away at the next MBP refresh.
I've long maintained that they positioned it totally backwards.
It's most appealing and useful to less experienced, less "Pro", more mainstream users, yet they pegged it only to the high end machines.
It should have launched on a 12-13" rMB(A) several years ago and been optional up the line, not the opposite.
The fact that it's still not on desktop external keyboards and the MBA they just released doesn't have it tells me they've perhaps moved on and it'll silently go away at the next MBP refresh.
See that's the problem with the TB. Unlike say USB C, which many may dislike but will probably agree that it gets better in the future and has some really useful applications, the TB doesn't get better in the future - and there's literally no way to make it more useful.
If you want to slide/scroll - the wonderful trackpad is better
If you want to press - the function keys or actual shortcuts are better
If you are touch typing - the keys are again better since you don't have to look at them
If you want more battery life - the keys are again better
If you want a functional ESC key - they keys are again better
The only way I could see it somewhat useful if they made it under the trackpad, then you would be able to utilize it somewhat for scrolling certain things without stretching your fingers to the top of the keyboard.
2014/15 non-dGPU 15” was the best damn developer laptop of all time! Couldn’t even complain about price for what you was getting.
I’m even contemplating a Samsung 970 Evo 2TB upgrade on mine.
Since High Sierra, NVME drives are handled natively and perfectly with a simple adapter and the speed is blistering...nearly double the read and write of what I’ve got on my built-in 1 TB.
I’m keeping my eye open for a good sale here during holiday times.