Falhófnir
macrumors 603
Was that popping chassis thing ever resolved too? Oh and the screen coating thing is still ongoing, certainly as of the 2017 model!
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Gen 3 butterfly keyboard
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omg really? my 2012 had two screens replaced... but at least it wasn't as complicated to get that replaced as my flickering screen is on the 2018.
the bright side: nobody else seems to be having the flickering screen issues so i' m just lucky.
(space is also having issues right now)
Falhófnir
macrumors 603
Yep: https://www.macrumors.com/2017/11/17/apple-extends-free-staingate-repairs/
Sucks about your screen, certainly not what you want after spending so much cash on a machine 🙁
HobbesInVA
macrumors 6502
The butterfly keyboard is a dealbreaker for me. I'm going back to a windows machine.
Roadstar
macrumors 68000
It’s the same thing for me. I guessed Apple would ruin also the new MacBook Air with the butterfly keyboard and bought a Surface Book on a nice discount. The keyboard on that one is great and I can work on Windows just fine, so now that Apple has chosen to prefer form way over function, I think I’ll be on Windows for the foreseeable future.
navaira
macrumors 601
Latest update about my fourth MBP18 is that I can't make up my mind about it.
A few days space bar started acting up. Unshaky caught 30 repetitions within six hours or so. Then E key registered twice a few times and I was like, well, X1 Carbon Hackintosh is my future, I guess...
...but then the keyboard stopped doing whatever it was that it was doing. Unshaky is still on, yesterday within eight hours of typing it caught two double-presses which actually COULD have been my fault, one typo per four hours doesn't sound like the keyboard is broken. I've still got 10 days or so to decide. But right now I am thinking I'll keep this MBP, andwhen in the very unlikely case the keyboard breaks again I will send it to repair, get an Air, and return it before the 30 days pass.
Truth be told, though, if I didn't use macOS only apps, or simply Mac apps I paid for already I would now be brainwashing myself into loving Windows. And it might still happen, because a similarly specced Windows laptop would cost me €1000 less, and that is a LOT of money to spend on Win software 😛
I would love it if Apple could somehow be forced to reveal how much money they lost on keyboard replacements so far since it's impossible to estimate how many sales they lost. Lenovo and Dell must be sending Ive flowers (very thin and white only) on weekly basis though.
A few days space bar started acting up. Unshaky caught 30 repetitions within six hours or so. Then E key registered twice a few times and I was like, well, X1 Carbon Hackintosh is my future, I guess...
...but then the keyboard stopped doing whatever it was that it was doing. Unshaky is still on, yesterday within eight hours of typing it caught two double-presses which actually COULD have been my fault, one typo per four hours doesn't sound like the keyboard is broken. I've still got 10 days or so to decide. But right now I am thinking I'll keep this MBP, and
Truth be told, though, if I didn't use macOS only apps, or simply Mac apps I paid for already I would now be brainwashing myself into loving Windows. And it might still happen, because a similarly specced Windows laptop would cost me €1000 less, and that is a LOT of money to spend on Win software 😛
I would love it if Apple could somehow be forced to reveal how much money they lost on keyboard replacements so far since it's impossible to estimate how many sales they lost. Lenovo and Dell must be sending Ive flowers (very thin and white only) on weekly basis though.
HobbesInVA
macrumors 6502
I'm disappointed with Apple's direction in regards to its products' design and the fragmented product line. Apple had a fragmented product line in the 1990s that almost drove it into bankruptcy before Steve Jobs simplified it.
I could tolerate the reduce number of USB ports and the removal of the 3.5mm headphone jack. However, when there are know issues with the new butterfly keyboard design, that makes "typing" an ordeal, that's the final straw. A reliable working keyboard is a must; it's the primary input device.
Ma2k5
macrumors 68030
Hve you tried changing this setting by any chance to see if it helps? I presume it would be to move the delay until repeat a notch or two left? This of course would only work if the Macbook registers it as a hold down rather than 2 unique presses, if the latter this won't work.
Roadstar
macrumors 68000
I 100% agree with that. I could live with dongles, but when the keyboard is fundamentally broken for the third year in a row while prices keep skyrocketing, it’s obvious that Apple’s priorities and my needs for a computer no longer match.
Queen6
macrumors G5
You should go with what you comfortable with. Personally it would just be a headache to deal with when in the field on a project if the KB failed, nor do I love the port solution.
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HobbesInVA
macrumors 6502
My wife and I will continue to use our 2012 MBPs and not upgrade. I will have to replace hers first because it's starting to show issues. I suspect that Apple will move the 2012 MBP to "vintage" status next year. My hope that Apple will abandon this butterfly keyboard design or refactor the design is fading.
Queen6
macrumors G5
Apple's made it abundantly clear with the new Air that the Butterfly keyboard is here to stay, so like it, or loath it I very much doubt anything is going to change other than Apple working on the reliability of the mechanism with each release.
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navaira
macrumors 601
Yup. Unfortunately it didn't change anything 🙁 Unshaky takes care of the problem. But I don't think something so expensive should require a third party app for the keyboard to work exactly as intended. If Apple actually included something like Unshaky in macOS I would never know that the keyboard had any problems (except for the 3rd or 2nd MBP I tried where some keys just became unresponsive unless I slammed them really hard).
I'm good with the ports since I replaced almost everything with USB-C versions when this was going to be my only computer. But the keyboard – welp. I don't have anything to say on that one. :/ I had certain hopes for that new Air until I saw the terrifying prices and of course the inclusion of the same keyboard. I thought, if I can get a similar config for €1000 less, I'll go for it. But not only would it be €500, it's also almost the same size, weight, loses two TB3 slots, is 2x slower than the rMBP and has the same keyboard. There's no point.
Whoever made that remark about me and Stockholm Syndrome seems to have been 100% correct...
Queen6
macrumors G5
Ports need to match others gear and dongles are not the solution I want for my primary notebook, preferring ease of use and less complexity.
MacBook Air should be $1K with a 256 SSD, it's 2018 and the Air is just a basic notebook. Cheaper to purchase Microsoft's new i5 quad core Surface Pro 6 with 256 SSD & KB, that offers a good deal more utility, especially if you include the Surface Pen...
nb. Microsoft's Surface Pro 6, i5 (8250U Quad Core) 8Gb RAM, 256 SSD, with Type Cover keyboard $1360 having both Pen & Touch input. Apple's new MacBook Air with a matched 256 SSD a bargain at only $1400.
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turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
I think at this point they are saving a new keyboard design for the first laptops using their own processors.
That should be great as I’ve always wanted the keyboard to be even thinner than now.
/s
That should be great as I’ve always wanted the keyboard to be even thinner than now.
/s
I did exactly the same thing as you and got myself a MSI GS65 to supress my need for high performance on the got after returning a 2018 MacBook Pro. I am super happy to have a GTX1070 discrete graphics card, it totally added up to my work flow and gaming needs 🙂 After getting this fantastic laptop, I just realised Apple is really taking the piss at the Mac line with high prices and poor hardware. It is a shame
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
It's so frustrating.
That Lenovo X1 Extreme is feature PACKED and is nearly identical in size/thickness to the 2015 era MacBook Pro, and lighter than the 2015 MBP.
It's clearly possible to totally load up a laptop with ports and components and still have it be light, thin and small - Apple just doesn't want to do it (sadly).
I wish they'd make it and call it the
"MacBook Pro: F It - Here is what you want, now be quiet" edition
That Lenovo X1 Extreme is feature PACKED and is nearly identical in size/thickness to the 2015 era MacBook Pro, and lighter than the 2015 MBP.
It's clearly possible to totally load up a laptop with ports and components and still have it be light, thin and small - Apple just doesn't want to do it (sadly).
I wish they'd make it and call it the
"MacBook Pro: F It - Here is what you want, now be quiet" edition
The only problem with ThinkPads is that they don't run macOS.
But given that Apple clearly doesn't have a lot of interest in keeping Mac alive, maybe it's better to start looking for alternatives now than to scramble later.
But given that Apple clearly doesn't have a lot of interest in keeping Mac alive, maybe it's better to start looking for alternatives now than to scramble later.
turbineseaplane
macrumors Penryn
For now I totally agree...but if those Marzipan iOS-ey apps are the Mac's future, I'll end up on Windows at some point anyhow I'll bet.
(I can't believe I'm even saying this out loud...so frustrating)
navaira
macrumors 601
@SDColorado, have you noticed any difference in keyboard performance when charging vs not charging? Perhaps it's accidental, but for me, the keys seem to behave like they should when I'm on battery, then start misbehaving when I'm charging the laptop. Temperature? Something else?
Just stumbled upon this:
...and this, too:
People are saying this fixes the issue (in replaced keyboards, too).
...and this, too:
People are saying this fixes the issue (in replaced keyboards, too).
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SDColorado
macrumors 601
Not at all. The issues I was having where related to keys not always registering a key press and sometimes requiring several presses to register.
If made no difference if it was plugged in or on battery, fully charged or not.
This is hilarious. Apparently, Apple's design is so bad that the metal domes have trouble decompressing on their own and require some additional pull.
How did they manage to screw it up so badly?