ThinkPads are spillresistant and are a joy to use. You can do some research on the ThinkPad line and you’ll get a good idea how even today they are better than the Apple offering.
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ThinkPads are spillresistant and are a joy to use. You can do some research on the ThinkPad line and you’ll get a good idea how even today they are better than the Apple offering.
Yes. Lenovo claims that they are designed to withstand up to 16.9 oz of liquid, though Lenovo has shown them to withstand significantly more.
If the keyboard *does* die, it can be replaced by most people at home in minutes. Loosen a few captive screws (the type that don’t come all the way out), lift it up, remove the cables, do the reverse for the new one.
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I was going to do EXACTLY that with the 2018. Have it as my only computer, either as a laptop or with a monitor and external keyboard. I have a USB-C monitor with built-in USB hub and power passthrough. I am *so* happy nobody bought my Hackintosh and 4K screen when I thought I'll recover some of the $$$ spent on the MBP!
Speaking of which, I am VERY tempted to add a remark or two to the "tips for new Mac owners" thread.
Even Huawei can produce notebooks in the MacBook / MacBook Pro class with liquid resistant keyboards. Apple simply isn't trying to do the best by the customer these days, just itself...
Huawei has a far superior typing experience and they've only been producing notebook for a few years, it's like Apple is either clueless or simply doesn't care.
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No backlight on the Magic Keyboard and batteries drain fast...sorry maybe that's the Magic Mouse anyway all junk. Maybe whoever's looking over the keyboard engineering area needs to be fired long ago.I've never used the Magic Keyboard, but indeed I am yet to hear a bad word about it. Since the latest interation was introduced, everyone's been begging Apple to use it in their portables. Welp. As an external perhaps
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Well, I doubt they are clueless, so that leaves us to draw our own conclusions on what they are. Obviously they could do better or do things differently if they chose to.
If you are going to make a keyboard that is as prone to failure as the butterfly keyboards appear to be, it would seem the logical approach would be to not rivet them in making it impossible to replace without having to replace the entire top case assembly. But no, no way they are going to let a repair shop or God forbid the average user replace anything more than a USB-C cable on their own.
In the meantime a Lenovo keyboard, is an FRU (Field Replaceable Unit) which can be purchased and replaced by yourself or a technician.
Any company keeps burning it's customer's we all know the consequences. To me Apple is just going through the motions with the Mac to appease the tech press, little else certainly not it's customers...
Apple's focus is IOS and services, that's abundantly clear and leaves the Mac way out in the cold, smacking of too little investment prior to coming to market.
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The price does reflect the diminishing quality and scope of supply.
You would think that the price would go down but it actually goes up. I believe that Apple is charging more to partially offset Apple's rising service cost. This is also reflected in the AppleCare price which has gone up.
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Jony Ive is a very good industrial designer but the industrial design should not be the top priority when designing. I'm not sure if the current form over function philosophy is Jony's fault or if it's the fault of sales / marketing.
Probably a bit of both. Jobs and Ive were very close, so with Jobs gone, nobody is there to reign Ive in. And Mac sales are fine, given Macs are a low priority for Apple now.
Yes, Look at the retail stores. Hardly any space for MacOS hardware. My local store even uses the space for order pickups.
Surprising Apple would let something happen to the iPad Pro with the potential bending issue. Seems state of Apple is all about net profit and market cap.
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Mine too. A couple of punters milling around the Macs at any given time at the stores near me, but not much of the space devoted to computers and the vast majority of business is centered around the iDevices and accessories.
Same observation here, Mac is firmly relegated to oblivion...
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That could easily change, but we all know it wont. Steve Job's stated producing junk wasn't in Apple's DNA, looks very much like that DNA is being flushed away by greed, lack of vision and arrogance...
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I honestly doubt that Steve Jobs could have handled running a company of this size.
I believe that the problem Apple is facing now is its size and earning expectations. When Steve Jobs ran the company, it was small and the focus was on product sales. Now, the company is huge and the focus seems to be on stock prices.
I don't disagree for one second, equally something is lacking seriously so. Steve Job's was many things, however producing the best for the customer was always ever present and paramount, did Apple always get it right? No absolutely not, equally today under Tim Cook it's solely about the dollar and nickel & diming the customer, Apple's execs simply sold out to have the most, versus being the very best.
The Mac had so much potential, sadly wasted and that is what angers me so very much. $3K-$4K upwards for a professional grade notebook, no problem as they can easily reach into five figures. Apple's current BS is a joke and after two decades of the Mac I'm responding from Windows 10
Personally I'm all for being the best you can, the rest will follow. I work with major multinationals & national companies, and I'm recognised for my efforts.
Makes my ****ing blood boil, what a bunch of wankers...You sold out simple as that...
Apple, your gone...………..…………..
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This thread is a sad read.
I had a 2016 for 3 months, until speaker blew and keyboard issue. Replaced with a 2017. It was good for 12+ months until it killed three external drives and was found to have highly variable USB power, 2x new usb chips and Logic board a week ago. Now keyboard is double pressing keys on this one. And it seems the 2018 has its own problems also! Thinking about buying an older model on ebay!
I had a 2016 for 3 months, until speaker blew and keyboard issue. Replaced with a 2017. It was good for 12+ months until it killed three external drives and was found to have highly variable USB power, 2x new usb chips and Logic board a week ago. Now keyboard is double pressing keys on this one. And it seems the 2018 has its own problems also! Thinking about buying an older model on ebay!
I'm probably gonna get a mid-2015 MBP on Craigslist or something.
The current MBP keyboards are irremediable garbage, and it's frankly insulting to customers that Apple has allowed them to exist for this long. If they gave a **** they would've canned them back in 2016.
Shameful.
The current MBP keyboards are irremediable garbage, and it's frankly insulting to customers that Apple has allowed them to exist for this long. If they gave a **** they would've canned them back in 2016.
Shameful.
BH Photo has brand new 2015’s for $1599
Comes with a 256GB, but pop a Sintech adapter and an aftermarket NVMe drive in there (done as cheaply as $160 for 1TB with an HP EX920) and you are golden.
Boom. No more problems. Just pure typing joy and reliability.
And these are totally brand new and still eligible for additional AppleCare if you want to really lock in years of peace of mind.
I just got a new 2015 this month from them, but I popped a 2TB 970 EVO NVMe in there.
Thing is phenomenal
Comes with a 256GB, but pop a Sintech adapter and an aftermarket NVMe drive in there (done as cheaply as $160 for 1TB with an HP EX920) and you are golden.
Boom. No more problems. Just pure typing joy and reliability.
And these are totally brand new and still eligible for additional AppleCare if you want to really lock in years of peace of mind.
I just got a new 2015 this month from them, but I popped a 2TB 970 EVO NVMe in there.
Thing is phenomenal
That's the problem the management clearly doesn't give a ****, they are only interested themselves simple as that...
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I wish, we are firmly stuck with the MacBook Noob, it's piss poor keyboard, hopeless port solution, all at full price here in Asia and treated like the 3rd class by Apple, equally the power of veto...
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Right. And Steve Jobs picked an accountant to take over after him, and as an accountant, Tim Cook is doing a magnificent job. (Well, he was - I'm a little out of touch, but aren't Apple shares starting to slide as sales slump?). Steve Jobs was a creative as well as a marketeer - so while we got nonsense like the iMac hockey puck mouse or the iPod with no controls whatsoever, he also did things like call designers at 3 in the morning to tell them the shade of blue on the iPhoto logo was wrong. He was an ******* with immense attention to detail, and probably the only person at Apple who could say no to Johnny Ive.
Apple is now just... a company making lots of money. Most of that comes from the iPhone. I mean, look at the mythical modular Mac Pro. How has it been two years with no release? I mean, come on, it is just A COMPUTER. The real answer is, it is not a priority.
The sliding share price is, I think, related to 1) their announcement they will not announce sales figures anymore (even if nobody else ever had, it does seem like Apple have something to hide now); 2) the Qualcomm lawsuits; 3) bent iPads satisfying Apple's quality standards. Macs are an afterthought both to Apple and the market IMO, I can't imagine Wall Street analysts reading this thread, but if they're trying to use 2018 MBPs for work, the share price will halve within three months...
...oh. Since October 3 the share price fell from $232 to $156. Which means there's a small chance we'll see CEO Angela Ahrendts begin her rose gold reign very soon.
Those of us who still sigh wistfully at the mere mention of Scott Forstall can be happy for him, as a musical he directed won five Tony awards in 2015 whilst Apple was busy unleashing butterfly keyboards on the unsuspecting public.
Oh yeah, I think I've been just about to post this for the last three months. The reason why the 2018 keyboards are not covered by the free repair program is that they've only been around since July. Give it another year and a few class lawsuits.
At this point in time Apple is just a ****ing joke. As for Ahrendts being CEO, more of the same **** absolutely guaranteed likely far worse, wouldn't give her the time of day. IMHO Scott Forstall was ousted as he posed the biggest threat to the current management, simple as that. Same as Steve he should be brought back and release the current *******s who are intent on destroying Apple for their own selfish needs...
Yeah, I'm pissed, angry and rightfully so. I never believed for one second Apple would produce such garbage. Steve was right it's not cheap, what a ****ing waste...
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