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General Motors to Phase Out Apple CarPlay Starting This Year in EV Transition

A few years ago, we got our specific Honda Civic model BECAUSE it had CarPlay and rejected others.
no way in hell am I going with some GM/Google-ok-to-be-evil-now frankenstein’s monster assault on my sensibilities. Frak that. Go look at Apple’s list of auto makers that include carplay:

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iOS - CarPlay - Available Models

Find out which automobile manufacturers currently offer or are planning to introduce models that support CarPlay.
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GM is shooting themselves in the foot.
 
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IMO, it's a smart move on GM's part. Big tech like Google and Apple have dominated the "app" stores that people use on their phones, they have been doing the same thing with infotainment / cars, as well. The future to come EV's are not like your ICE vehicles. These are software defined vehicles that are software platforms plugged into backend systems that run in cloud. Allowing any cell phone to just plug in and have full reign over the vehicles control systems, really could play havoc on its security posture. There is also the revenue aspect. If i want to sell my customers subscription based services how can I if every vehicle owner can just use their cell phones and download the apps for free off apple or google? This will stricten the controls over how an external device essentially can interact with the vehicle's software platform and allow for GM to create a more sustained revenue model around software and subscriptions -- a very big win but also a big risk because of hardcore Apple or tech people or just your average consumer who doesn't want to pay for more when you could pay for nothing since much of that functionality exists already via your cell phone. At end of day, with move from ICe to EV, the infotainment system is now the bread winner and only those who can rightously massage its powers will learn to properly finnese it and its consumers will win. I am not speaking from any definite knowledge that eliminating carplay was in any way due to security risks but it just makes sense and TBH, the infotainment system your going to get out of these future vehicles will most likely make carplay look like an amature, since the infotainment system can natively interact with the vehicle and its many subsystems at a much lower level in comparison to apple phone, which is powerful for a cellphone but I would think that the overall compute and system potential built into the vehicle's platform is probably much larger in comparison (multiple GPU's, TPU's, memory, local store as well as cloud)
 
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I just hate how it has to be one or the other.. we need it always to be open to all options. I liked the original idea when it was just a dumb screen and your phone did the heavy lifting.. now it seems like its going to be one or the other.. everyone looses then as we all get less options. Maybe you don't like GM, but maybe its Honda next, or Toyota, or Ford or whoever.. these ecosystems need to be left open imo otherwise we all lose.
 
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Respectfully, t4co, it’s only a good move by GM if their solution is vastly superior to CarPlay. Given the track record of these auto manufacturers, that is highly unlikely to happen even with Google’s help.

As many people have already stated in this thread, I will not even consider a car that doesn’t have CarPlay.
 
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The move is expected to help the automaker gather more data about how consumers drive and accelerate a strategy to incentivize vehicle-related digital subscription services.
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How do you gather data about consumers when they are not driving your vehicles anymore?

Oh.... I get it. They want to see which cars people will buy when they are not buying cars built by GM -- a very important data point.
 
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LOL are they stupid? I would never buy a new car without CarPlay. That’s like buying a new phone that isn’t iOS or Android. If you want things to work well you just don’t do it.

Kinda like how if you want a solid car that will last a long time, you don’t buy a GM. Even though I’m more into Japanese brands like Toyota and Subaru, I’d take a Ford over a GM any day. They aren’t bad.

I don’t get why so many companies are wanting to build their own car software. Most do a terrible job and it’s glitchy with terrible UI. I watch the Doug Demuro reviews! Maybe because they know Apple will eventually have their own car? But something tells me GM has nothing to fear from Apple on that front. There will not be consumer overlap between someone buying a Chevy Malibu or whatever and an Apple Car.
 
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Yeah, so obvious that want more monthly subscription revenue. I have never owned a GM product. Looks like that trend is solid. LOL
 
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Goes around, comes around. Apple looking kinda tepid under Cook's reign, lacking that sizzle Jobs used to bring Apple back. Ops, not vision.

Once upon a time, tales tell, someone in charge of something at GM explained to someone else - to the board, to a reporter, I forget - said "We don't make cars, we make money." Ops, not vision.
 
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fromgophonetoiphone said:
Keep in mind people, and plenty of Apple and Google engineers bought Teslas and Rivians despite them having no CarPlay.

Maybe it's not as important as people think? If you put together a decent system to let me listen to music or navigate, I can somewhat be placated. With that said most car infotainment systems looked like absolute ass in the 2000s/2010s. The Toyota one even in 202x cars is still an eyesore from a 10+ year old system that looks and functions like crap.
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I agree, but this is GM we are talking about. If you think they‘ll magically develop software as good as Tesla, Rivian…or Apple —- good luck with that
 
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Automakers make horrible software, just look at any infotainment system as proof; the software is horrendous, the systems are slow, updates are nonexistent (although this is getting better) and the whole experience is lacking. Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are popular because they solve all these problems, Tesla is able to make this work because they have solved all these problems. GM is no Tesla and I have little faith in their ability to deliver... What we will be left with is a bunch of GM EV's with outdated and barely supported software and I doubt you'll see anything close to 8 years of support. Google has trouble keeping interest in a product that isn't search, advertising, Gmail or Android for more than a year and GM will just fumble things and pivot to something else once this predictably fails.

Good luck to GM EV owners, I won't be one of them.
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Hmm. Disagree that all automakers make horrible software.

I have an Audi. It has a near full dash display that looks like an approximation of Carplay 2.0.

It also has physical dials and buttons that can control the main display and physical controls on the steering wheel for the dash display.

I can operate both displays without ever taking my eyes from the road.

This is vastly, vastly superior (and safer) than trying to interact with Carplay via a touchscreen, especially with its idiotic horrible organization, brightness, forced siri dependence, etc.
 
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Boo. They could have at least pretended it was to gather more information about how people drive to make their vehicles more fuel efficient and safer.
 
gregmancuso said:
The whole Google built-in concept is my bigger concern. Too much control over the vehicle and control systems to a company not known for sticking with the applications and well known for aggressive data collection.
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Yep. I've tried too hard to strip Google out of my personal devices, I'm not about to tell them where I'm driving or give them any control over the UX in my vehicle.

I thought Polestar might be an interesting alternative to Tesla, but it turns out to be built on the same Google platform. Not interested in that.
 
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So many others have said it, but I want to add my voice. This is short-sighted, I have seen it before, and it will be a reason for some people not to purchase a GM vehicle. FIne to add more value and give people a reason to want to use your integrated product but don't be foolish and take away something people are used to using, that goes for both IOS and Android. Bad decision, it will cost more than it makes in lost revenue.
 
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sorgo said:
They…as in their bankruptcy?
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Hey, the GM bailout in 06 or so proved there's a lot of politicians willing to give GM taxpayer money for free. And the elections in '08, '12, and '20 proved that there are enough voters willing to vote for having their money stolen. It's time for GM to go after the pot again! God knows they can't build good cars.
 
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