Google and Other Suppliers Begin Cutting Off Huawei Following U.S. Trade Ban

[fairuz]

You said it yourself, potential risk, that’s overblown by the trump administration. The countries like Australia, Japan, Canada who did ban are part of the 5 eye who on their own have no political sway on the international realm, they rely on the us govt for influence and when trump say jump they say how high

Idk what "potential risk" means. The risk is there. Supply chain hacks are real, hardware security always trumps software, and as it is, even Samsung phones and Asus laptops exhibit security flaws just due to accidental crappiness. It's hard to audit these things, so sadly you have to pick people to trust. One of the dwindling reasons I stick to Apple products.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

In the long run, no one benefits from investing in China. It has been said so many times for many years.
They will copy, steal and push you out. It’s impossible to compete with someone who play by different rules.

How come France trusts China, the UK trusts China, Germany trusts China, perhaps the USA is wrong?

 

[Classie]

How come France trusts China, the UK trusts China, Germany trusts China, perhaps the USA is wrong?

I’m not aware of above countries relationships or “trust” with China. From my experience; the news/internet and business in China, no one in their right mind would choose a Chinese society over a western - that is really what it comes down to.

the US could of course be wrong, but my gut feeling says otherwise. More importantly, I’m not prepared to bet on team China.

 

[0947347]

Independent sources for government investigations? You're one of those conspiracy guys, aren't you.

Yes I am
From now on, please call me that way
And independent is not a bad word, you know.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

I’m not aware of above countries relationships or “trust” with China. From my experience; the news/internet and business in China, no one in their right mind would choose a Chinese society over a western - that is really what it comes down to.

the US could of course be wrong, but my gut feeling says otherwise. More importantly, I’m not prepared to bet on team China.

You like your Apple stuff?

Apple uses a Chinese supply chain for all its products:

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...st-apple-latest-us-china-trump-trade-war-news

 

[0947347]

I’m not aware of above countries relationships or “trust” with China. From my experience; the news/internet and business in China, no one in their right mind would choose a Chinese society over a western - that is really what it comes down to.

the US could of course be wrong, but my gut feeling says otherwise. More importantly, I’m not prepared to bet on team China.

No one in their right minds would choose Chinese society over western? Wow, would love to have your confidence.

Let’s see.
China - visible dictatorship, censorship. Government spying at their own people, using police force at peaceful protests.
No freedom of speech, saying things can get you to jail)

This is what we are told about China. Now, let’s see west

Most of the west - invisible dictatorship, censorship. Government spying at their own people, using police force at peaceful protests.
Saying things can get you banned from ... , get you you sued, ridiculed ... (aka political correctness)

In US, kids may not be allowed to go to school, if not vaccinated.
Any westerner whistleblower, who shows any government wrong doing, goes to jail.

Yes, we got it f@&¥ing great, not like that horrible China.

Can provide links, but I know that would make me “just another conspiracy theorist “

 

[WatchFromAfar]

I’m not aware of above countries relationships or “trust” with China. From my experience; the news/internet and business in China, no one in their right mind would choose a Chinese society over a western - that is really what it comes down to.

the US could of course be wrong, but my gut feeling says otherwise. More importantly, I’m not prepared to bet on team China.

"Trust" means a World Nation State is happlely willing to do bussiness with Chana; you can stay in the dark in your own little Country if you want.

 

[scubachap]

Back on topic - China, there's a South African guy on Youtube (I have no connection to him so this isn't a marketing plug) I've been following for quite a few years who while he lived in China (he has a Chinese wife and family) posted loads of videos about daily life there - they're fascinating and help to explain Chinese attitudes. Some of it is good some bad - but it's all really worth a watch if like me you haven't lived there etc. If you search SerpentZA on youtube you'll find his channel. Start with the early ones as interestingly as the years go by he gets more frustrated by things there.

 

[decafjava]

Well, the freedom of not getting vaccinated is a freedom of choice. Especially if after vaccinations (like the flu shots fiascos, why would you want to load your kids full of led and Mercury and other fillers, when it is ineffective)

Now, a link for you
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/educati...wear-skirt-may-have-referred-social-services/

And back to the topic. 5G is a very big business, worth a shed load of money. Do you honestly believe west would love China to have it?
Any excuse, will do.

I really don't care if China supplies 5G infrastructure if it's good quality and the best value, at least here in Switzerland the main telcom companies have been supplied by Chinese companies for awhile with no issues. I am more worried about US spying to be perfectly honest as I really don't think the Chinese government cares about spying outside it's own country (except perhaps dissidents).

As for the rest, your comment about requiring boys to wear a skirt a complete misstatement of fact. The link clearly states if parents should not prevent a child who is "gender questioning" from wearing a skirt.

About the vaccines, that is absolute BS, the whole thing about mercury has been disproven and frankly "freedom" to not vaccinate is akin to freedom to drive drunk, or say in the US context freedom to own a gun does not mean I can shoot it randomly in the air in my neighbourhood even if not aiming at anyone (wait til someone says it is). Children who cannot be vaccinated (too young, getting treated for cancer say) are endangered by pro-disease parents "freedom" to wreck herd immunity.

 

[antonis]

I guess Timmy now prays that apple will not become the target of any Chinese retaliation.
Well, if they do, they'll have to thank the lunatic clown they call president.

 

[decafjava]

Guys, let's get back on topic before we get moderated.

Here is an article in French on Huawei's activites in Switzerland.

https://www.rts.ch/info/economie/10...isse-sur-fond-d-accusations-d-espionnage.html

Here it is through Google (lol) translate.

https://translate.google.ch/transla...isse-sur-fond-d-accusations-d-espionnage.html

Huawei's Swiss sales increased dramatically, while the equipment supplier installs the Swisscom 5G network and Sunrise. Switzerland maintains its confidence, despite accusations of espionage of the United States.
...
"On technology, we can have confidence, but the fact that a state can be behind this society is quite plausible," said Stéphane Koch, expert in computer security. The latter, however, points out that the problem would be the same with Cisco or any other American company. "The Americans are our allies, but not necessarily our friends," he says.
...

Swiss confidence
In Switzerland, Swisscom and Sunrise are sourcing from the Chinese OEM. They say they are satisfied and even very proud of the advances they have been able to achieve, and more specifically Sunrise with the first 5G tested in Switzerland thanks to Huawei technology.

Contacted, both Swisscom and Sunrise claim to have found no data leaks. Sunrise also states that Huawei is only "supplying and operating the systems, the data remains at Sunrise".

What about the Confederation: has it taken special measures to protect communications infrastructure that is strategic for a country?

"The law on telecommunications provides that operators are obliged to enforce the secrecy of telecommunications, as well as the protection of data, and we have no signal that this has not been the case," says Caroline Sauser , spokesperson of the Federal Office of Communications (Ofcom).

The Confederation therefore relies on the operators. And operators trust the Chinese giant.

 

[jeremiah256]

Some good news and perhaps some partial relief for some Huawei customers

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-operating-idUSKCN1SQ27T?utm_source=applenews

The most interesting or mind boggling part is aside from all this news and BS that was reported by the media and Bills that was signed by Trump there really is no solid concrete evidence showing any of the new smartphones that Huawei made were real security risks.. Someone just wanted revenge at Huawei. I reckon this will upset many Chinese nationalists and patriots which will start boycotting US made products.

https://www.engadget.com/2019/05/20/is-huawei-really-screwed-without-android/

I wonder if the EU requested this so that their citizens who can’t afford to buy a new phone aren’t screwed by not getting security updates.

 

[BootsWalking]

You've skipped Huawei's long history and present of copying American products. They even stole router software from Cisco on physical media. I like that we trade with China but would like the worst possible things to happen to Huawei.

I "skipped it" because it has no relevance to this story. When did corporate espionage represent a National Security risk for the United States government? And how did they get all those 5G patents - did they steal them?

 

[ilikewhey]

I’m not aware of above countries relationships or “trust” with China. From my experience; the news/internet and business in China, no one in their right mind would choose a Chinese society over a western - that is really what it comes down to.

the US could of course be wrong, but my gut feeling says otherwise. More importantly, I’m not prepared to bet on team China.

i think in this context he meant these countries doors are open to huawei business and letting them to build out their 5g network

unlike the west the chinese govt have zero interest in pushing their political and social agenda to other countries, this can be clearly exemplified by all the loans and investment china been giving out for the past decade to other nations. so i guess what im trying to say is you dont have to worry that the chinese CCP will be your new overlord or not, cause they are simply not interested.
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I "skipped it" because it has no relevance to this story. When did corporate espionage represent a National Security risk for the United States government? And how did they get all those 5G patents - did they steal them?

nope they cant steal what ericsson and cisco don't have lol.

huawei R&D budget last year was 13b, ericsson R&D was only 5b.

 

[Jimmy Bubbles]

chinese companies have a much more established presence in africa than any western companies, oppo and other smaller players even manufacture their phones there, not to mention cars and railroads built by the chinese govt.

as for europe, huawei is one of the top sellers there, alot of folks there using honor or mate 20 pro. i was surprised myself.
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that used to be the case but chinese tech are quite up there now, even surpassing west in multi fields. the oh they can only copy and produce cheap stuffs and not invent used to be the saying for japanese goods back in the 70s and 80s. but now the tech in asia has surpassed many westerns, how can you steal something that they dont even have?

Right, but we definitely gave them one heck of a great start! They manufacture our stuff, so of course they're privy to all of that patented tech and information. That's my point. That's all.

 

[ilikewhey]

Right, but we definitely gave them one heck of a great start! They manufacture our stuff, so of course they're privy to all of that patented tech and information. That's my point. That's all.

not just us, ever since ww2 the japanese have transferred crap ton of tech to china as a way to repay for all the bad things they done, to this date that amount to 1 trillion usd in tech transfers, in doing so the chinese govt dont hassle the japanese govt on war crime apologies and china gets all the top tech from japan.

if trump was president and took this hard stance against huawei back in 2005, then it would be so easy to make china bend the knee (GOT reference )

but huawei has been preparing for this for awhile now, they have their own silicon, the kirin 990, which is based on arm.

and they been working on their own OS,

often times i'm very confused by trump's actions, it seems like trump is looking out for american interest, yet often the end result somehow end up benefiting the foreign nations.

a few example i took light of recently,
trump's beef with north korea, now north and south korea are in talk and relationship between them are much closer than prior.

trump tariff sanctions against canada and mexico, recently these two countries just came out and signed special accords.

i noticed international relations between foreign nations and other foreign nations have improved greatly because of trump's direct or indrect action. either trump is a low key globalistic master mind or hes just getting really lucky.

 

[Classie]

You like your Apple stuff?

Apple uses a Chinese supply chain for all its products:

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...st-apple-latest-us-china-trump-trade-war-news

Yes... I don’t see your point. Should the fact that western society manufacture almost all of its product in China, come as a shock to anyone?
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No one in their right minds would choose Chinese society over western? Wow, would love to have your confidence.

Let’s see.
China - visible dictatorship, censorship. Government spying at their own people, using police force at peaceful protests.
No freedom of speech, saying things can get you to jail)

This is what we are told about China. Now, let’s see west

Most of the west - invisible dictatorship, censorship. Government spying at their own people, using police force at peaceful protests.
Saying things can get you banned from ... , get you you sued, ridiculed ... (aka political correctness)

In US, kids may not be allowed to go to school, if not vaccinated.
Any westerner whistleblower, who shows any government wrong doing, goes to jail.

Yes, we got it f@&¥ing great, not like that horrible China.

Can provide links, but I know that would make me “just another conspiracy theorist “

Haha yeah, It’s a great feeling

Surely no one believes that the “western” governments are perfect or without corruption. But comparing them to China is ridiculous - are you kidding?
I will give you a “link”... 1984

 

[kis]

No one in their right minds would choose Chinese society over western? Wow, would love to have your confidence.

Let’s see.
China - visible dictatorship, censorship. Government spying at their own people, using police force at peaceful protests.
No freedom of speech, saying things can get you to jail)

This is what we are told about China. Now, let’s see west

Most of the west - invisible dictatorship, censorship. Government spying at their own people, using police force at peaceful protests.
Saying things can get you banned from ... , get you you sued, ridiculed ... (aka political correctness)

In US, kids may not be allowed to go to school, if not vaccinated.
Any westerner whistleblower, who shows any government wrong doing, goes to jail.

Yes, we got it f@&¥ing great, not like that horrible China.

Can provide links, but I know that would make me “just another conspiracy theorist “

Well, if you like China so much, why don’t you go live there - I’m sure they’ll keep selling Huawei phones there too. Of course, the 2500$ average yearly household income might keep you from getting the P30.

 

[makr]

Chinese tech companies are the Chinese government. China is a communist regime. We can profit from them but let’s not do anything to make them stronger.

What's the problem with a communist regime?

 

[stylinexpat]

What's the problem with a communist regime?

Some things are really good and some things are beyond horrible. It’s like that even in non communist countries these days as well. This depends on what means most to that person. The same goes for countries in the Middle East under dictatorship rule where some things are great and others are beyond horrible as well.

 

[0947347]

Well, if you like China so much, why don’t you go live there - I’m sure they’ll keep selling Huawei phones there too. Of course, the 2500$ average yearly household income might keep you from getting the P30.

Where did I write I like China so much?
Over the heels with how bad China is, not realizing that west is almost as bad, nowadays? And getting worst.

 

[fairuz]

I "skipped it" because it has no relevance to this story. When did corporate espionage represent a National Security risk for the United States government? And how did they get all those 5G patents - did they steal them?

When did producing 5G tech represent a risk? You said "their only crime," and they've committed plenty of crimes.
IDK about the 5G patents. I don't even know if they're valid worldwide. Patents can be, and often are, meaningless anyway.

 

[Saskat]

If Huawei is smart (and I am sure they are) they should not fight the US but focus on working out their own independent system and becoming self sufficient. They have a ready made large market waiting. They will hurt for the short term for sure, perhaps years to come. But to be honest I think it’s good for them in the long run.

From the US side I think they should just keep the ban. Once the cat is outta the bag Chinese companies will no longer trust America policy makers and they will embark on a path to self sufficiency and will not look back. Lifting the ban won’t stop them. At least make some money in the mean time.

 

[Skoal]

And yet America has provided zero evidence, to its citizens or to its allies, that Huawei represents a national security threat to our country or to our allies. Apparently Huawei's crime was taking the worldwide lead in 5G technology, both in terms of patents and shipping products, in a era where free-market beliefs have been supplanted with nationalistic protectionism.

...and yet you provide zero evidence to America, to it's citizens, or to it's allies that the US is banning this company because of it's 5G tech. See how that works? Didn't Canada just kick out a high ranking Huawei employee for some nonsense? Everyone wants evidence when some things don't need to be out in the open for obvious reasons. You sound like a "no borders" kind of person.
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We don't have to imagine it: NYT: NSA Triples Collection of Data From U.S. Phone Companies

That article is over a year old. Got anything newer?
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Oh the hypocrisy, as if the US government never planted spyware on devices.....

Not only that, not guilty until proven rings a bell.

NSA...

Why do people think this is hypocrisy? It's not. The US Gov never said they do or don't do such things but it makes perfect sense for them to not want to have it done to their own Country. Is this so hard to understand? Not guilty until proven.... has no bearing on this issue at all. There isn't an international court of law the either side subscribes to that governs national security.

 

[Tech198]

Oh oh..This could be a trend to extend worldwide then..

Just because China is "high of the hit list" with listening and scamming their ways, doesn't always mean that.. and why don't ban US stuff then..?

If your in the same country that sells products your always gonna defend yourself, even if it's wrong, and put blame on others (regardless of the reason)

Australia is just as bad here We may not make a huge fuss over it, but its still bad.

Call it political.. but no country is excluded from this sorta stuff.