Google Debuts New Hardware and Shows Off New Search, AR, and Google Assistant Features at Google I/O

[Sedulous]

Your funny, I have been to parties where I get asked to compare my pixel to the iPhone. The iPhone does not even come close. And before you ask they are compared to multiple versions of iPhone Xs 8 and 7s

Isn't just my opinion but that of those who specialize in testing cameras (dxomark for example). I'm sure Pixel is a capable camera. It isn't the "best" (nor did I say the iPhone currently has the "best" camera). Personally, I don't care because any flagship phone from the last few years is plenty good for most people. At this point there is only incremental improvement and niche features separating all these phones.

 

[Alan Wynn]

Yikes. Was just stating a fact, guys. No need to take it personally.

I remember WebOS, but it has been a long time since I have seen it on anything. I would not be at all surprised if the person who created the gestures had never seen it. That is one of the biggest issues we have in Computer Science, a lack of history.

But what I'm hearing from you both is Apple didn't copy Palm because Palm went out of business? Like that somehow negates what they did and erases them from history?

Double yikes.

No, what it does mean is that just because they did something and someone else did it later, that it was copied from them. Some features Apple takes from Google, some Google takes from Apple, some are developed in parallel independently, but having been in a similar world may turn out similarly, some were found in older systems and are completely original. WebOS never had enough market share to argue that everyone would have seen it and therefore ideas that are similar to it came from it. In Latin it is: Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. It is possible the UI guys saw it, it is also possible they both studied with the same design professors and had the same influences. Hard to know.

 

[KevinN206]

That's just the cheaper Pixel 3a. Apple's phones start at $449, or $249 with trade-in.

The new Pixel 3 starts at $799, and the Pixel 3 XL starts at $899. With 128gb of memory, it's $999.

Not much different from Apple.

What you're losing with a Pixel 3a:
* Not water resistant
* Only 1 configuration - 64gb.
* Front camera worse
* Phone is polycarbonate, not metal and glass.

imo polycarbonate is not a negative. It's far more robust than metal and glass. The Pixel 3a is also OLED with a higher resolution than the iPhone XR for $400. It will be slower there's no doubt.

 

[FFR]

I remember WebOS, but it has been a long time since I have seen it on anything. I would not be at all surprised if the person who created the gestures had never seen it. That is one of the biggest issues we have in Computer Science, a lack of history.



No, what it does mean is that just because they did something and someone else did it later, that it was copied from them. Some features Apple takes from Google, some Google takes from Apple, some are developed in parallel independently, but having been in a similar world may turn out similarly, some were found in older systems and are completely original. WebOS never had enough market share to argue that everyone would have seen it and therefore ideas that are similar to it came from it. In Latin it is: Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. It is possible the UI guys saw it, it is also possible they both studied with the same design professors and had the same influences. Hard to know.

Palm cribed multitouch gestures from apples iPhone and the MacBooks track pad, palm slapped everything together so sloppily it barely worked as you can see from the video posted by other members.

Cover flow was also copied, apple has several patents on that.

 

[Blaze4G]

imo polycarbonate is not a negative. It's far more robust than metal and glass. The Pixel 3a is also OLED with a higher resolution than the iPhone XR for $400. It will be slower there's no doubt.

I think a polycarbonate phone whether android or apple with flagship specs priced around 600 would be a huge seller. Imagine an XR for 600 with 1080 oled screen and dual cameras.

 

[ronno]

You don’t have to use Gmail, YouTube, Google Maps or Google Search on an iPhone though.

The only way you are going to avoid Google online is to stay off-line. In which case, get a flip phone.
But I’m sure it’s too late for that, seeing as you might have a desktop or laptop computer, so you are being tracked like mad somehow.

 

[kis]

If you look at the premium segment apples marketshare surpasses androids, it’s not even close.

Who cares, most people are not in the premium segment.

 

[ronno]

I don’t use any of google services and I closed my google account a while ago.

My iPhone actually runs better and has better battery life since I purged google from my iPhone.

There are plenty of people that have done the same.

Do you use a web browser? Look at your cookies, probably hundreds of companies there which you’ve never heard of and which which are tracking your every move.
Also, they are all in the Google ad network, no doubt.
Besides, your cell provider is likely selling your location data to anyone with the money to pay for it.

 

[KevinN206]

Is anybody gonna bring up that Google straight up copied iOS gestures down the design of the home bar? They also copied the animation when going home. Apple was 2 years ahead of everyone with iOS gestures, even the copycats can’t get it as fluid as IOS

Swipe gestures:

 

[kis]

All sounds great but if you read between the lines, every single product and service they announced last night is about collecting even more data. Now they get your face data as well. Nest made a big promise not to share data with google. They renewed this promise a year ago when Google started integrating them more.

Now it’s promise shmomise. People like me who have invested thousands of dollars in Nest security products are faced with a tough decision now: sell the equipment and invest in something more secure, like Circle 2 or the Netatmo range, or give up all data privacy and sell your entire life (and that of your neighbors, anyone who walks in front of the Nest Hello etc) to Google, where it’s stored, processed and used for god knows what.

To google I say: that was the last time you lied to me. Bye bye.


Ps: hours after the announcement I got an email from IFTTT, telling me that Nest products no longer work with its services and that my applets would be removed in August. I heavily relied on this.

 

[FFR]

Who cares, most people are not in the premium segment.

That just means $400 dollars or higher.

Most consumers are in the premium segment.

Soo....everyone.

 

[kis]

That just means $400 dollars or higher.

Most consumers are in the premium segment.

Soo....everyone.

Lol considering that a significant number of people in the US have to work two jobs just to keep their homes, I’d say most people are most certainly not in that segment. Also, the US are not the world. You might think you’re the center of the universe, when in reality you’re an isolated tiny island.

 

[AppLearnStay]

Exactly. Nothing really interesting. Most of the sites that do live streams didn't have one for this years Google I/O. Maybe they knew in advance how boring it was going to be?

I find it interesting a lot of the architectural details of Android Q weren't brought up, especially since they are moving to be more like iOS in several key areas.

and you will be so much interested when apple comes up with dark mode and call it new ios version?
there are ton more than dark mode here

 

[FFR]

Do you use a web browser? Look at your cookies, probably hundreds of companies there which you’ve never heard of and which which are tracking your every move.
Also, they are all in the Google ad network, no doubt.
Besides, your cell provider is likely selling your location data to anyone with the money to pay for it.

I do but my browser doesn’t store any cookies and my browser also blocks all trackers.

Selling your location data is illegal in Europe.

It’s a pity that you feel as though you have no other choice but to roll over.

 

[FFR]

Swipe gestures:

Yup that’s the one.
Cover flow front and center, palm copied that too.
Palm copied the multitouch gestures from the original iPhone and apples MacBook trackpad.

 

[0388631]

There was a time when Apple keynotes were this feature packed. Those were the days.

If it makes you feel better, Apple may introduce the new Mac Pro at WWDC. Maybe even a selection of products. Keep the faith.

 

[FFR]

Lol considering that a significant number of people in the US have to work two jobs just to keep their homes, I’d say most people are most certainly not in that segment. Also, the US are not the world. You might think you’re the center of the universe, when in reality you’re an isolated tiny island.

So you agree android cannot compete with iOs unless they sell dirt cheap phones.

I’m not in the US and this chart is for global marketshare for all smartphones phones priced 400 dollars and over, subsidized or not, once again all over the world.

In this chart apple has the lions share of the market.

We are talking about $400 and above and android isn’t selling any phones in any substantial number globally at that price point, not Samsung, or Oppo, or vivo, or Xiaomi or Huawei, or even when you combine them all. Apple still outsells.

 

[realtuner]

Who cares, most people are not in the premium segment.

Every single iPhone buyer is in the premium segment.

1 in 10 Android buyers is in the premium segment.

 

[Alan Wynn]

The only way you are going to avoid Google online is to stay off-line. In which case, get a flip phone.

That’s cool. Given I do not use Google Maps, Gmail, Google Assistant, have ad blockers, (for my desktops I move much of the blocking to my router), use DuckDuckGo for search, Safari as my browser (with max privacy protection enabled), use HomeKit devices, they are not getting much data from me.

Is your argument that because one cannot achieve perfect blocking of Google’s tracking one should just hand them all one’s personal data?

But I’m sure it’s too late for that, seeing as you might have a desktop or laptop computer, so you are being tracked like mad somehow.

Again, not much data going to Google from my devices. You are totally welcome to let them track and sell all your information, not something that appeals to me.

 

[trifid]

Yup that’s the one.
Cover flow front and center, palm copied that too.
Palm copied the multitouch gestures from the original iPhone and apples MacBook trackpad.

And cover flow copied Xerox Park because it uses graphical representation of objects. Sorry this is too silly, see my earlier post. I'd love to know exactly what was copied about cover flow? I was reviewing this again and Apple has a design patent on cover flow, not a utility patent. Cover flow is a 3D representation of images with center image in middle, and 'albums' squished on the sides with a 3D perspective denoting spatial orientation. I don't see how this has anything to do with Palm's implementation of multitasking, is it that they both use images to represent things? Please.

 

[pratikindia]

This is called innovation. So many great updates. Apple need to learn something from this. Android has come a long way. it's not as bad as before. Also for privacy, with Google, you have the control over your data (see, delete, manage). But with Apple, it's not.

Also it's a good move. Not everyone need/afford expensive Pixel phones. $399 is a reasonable price with a good camera, pure Android and many other features. At least now you have an option except Chines phones.

 

[Alan Wynn]

Lol considering that a significant number of people in the US have to work two jobs just to keep their homes, I’d say most people are most certainly not in that segment.

According to the BLS, 4.9% of workers in the U.S. had more than one job in 2017. A number that is decreasing.

Also, the US are not the world. You might think you’re the center of the universe, when in reality you’re an isolated tiny island.

The U.S. is a tiny island? Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[realtuner]

And cover flow copied Xerox Park because it uses graphical representation of objects. Sorry this is too silly, see my earlier post. I'd love to know exactly what was copied about cover flow? I was reviewing this again and Apple has a design patent on cover flow, not a utility patent. Cover flow is a 3D representation of images with center image in middle, and 'albums' squished on the sides. I don't see how this has anything to do with Palm's implementation of multitasking, is it that they both use images to represent things? Please.

Bringing up Xerox Parc is beyond asinine.

If you can’t see the resemblance between Palm multitasking cards and cover flow AND claim cover flow is a copy of things from Xerox Parc, then I’m at a complete loss for words.

That’s like saying a Ferrari and Lamborghini look nothing alike, but a Lamborghini looks like a Model T.

 

[trifid]

If you can’t see the resemblance between Palm multitasking cards and cover flow AND claim cover flow is a copy of things from Xerox Parc, then I’m at a complete loss for words.

I remember when I saw Palm's multitasking back in 2009, it never for second did it cross my mind any link or comparison to cover flow. Please find me an article or post from someone making such a claim, I'm finding out today in 2019 some people like to do revisionist history and link this somehow. Please explain to me how they are linked, I'd truly love to know. And yes comparison to Xerox Park is relevant because if we are going to stretch things out, we might as well call everything a copy of everything.

 

[FFR]

And cover flow copied Xerox Park because it uses graphical representation of objects. Sorry this is too silly, see my earlier post. I'd love to know exactly what was copied about cover flow? I was reviewing this again and Apple has a design patent on cover flow, not a utility patent. Cover flow is a 3D representation of images with center image in middle, and 'albums' squished on the sides with a 3D perspective denoting spatial orientation. I don't see how this has anything to do with Palm's implementation of multitasking, is it that they both use images to represent things? Please.

Apple owns patents on cover flow, it’s not just for music but files, and windows.

No the multitasking gestures were copied over from the the MacBooks multitouch trackpad and apples original iPhone, that’s why the palm pre had a gesture/track pad area below the display.

Have you used a PowerBook or a MacBook between 2005 and 2009, of did you should recognize the gestures on the palm pre.

Bringing up Xerox Parc is beyond asinine.

If you can’t see the resemblance between Palm multitasking cards and cover flow AND claim cover flow is a copy of things from Xerox Parc, then I’m at a complete loss for words.

That’s like saying a Ferrari and Lamborghini look nothing alike, but a Lamborghini looks like a Model T.

Firat they claimed everyone copied everyone and it’s not a big deal, then they claimed apple copied palm, now its apple copies xerox parc.

They try so hard.