Google Launches Nexus One: T-Mobile Plan Available Now, Verizon and Vodafone Coming Soon

[ChazUK]

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Android 2.0 onwards suppots multitouch API's so any developer can develop multitouch Applications.

So many uninformed experts on Android in this thread.

See: http://androidandme.com/2009/10/news/android-2-0-does-indeed-feature-multitouch/

Android 2.0 has full support for multitouch.

Verizon Droid / Android removed most multi-touch gestures by default.

Dolphin web browser on the Doid uses the miltitouch api's to use (you guessed it) pinch zoom!

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Which is what unfortunately happens when you have no multitouch.

Ouch.

The Hero does have multi-touch. Why would that be a factor anyway?

Welcome to the fanboy word of *LTD*. Under his view if it does not have an apple lable on it it is crap plan and simple.

He has never had a negative thing to say about apple. I willing to bet apple could take dog crap put it in a little white box with an apple sticker and he would come about saying how great it is and argue that it is great.

He and other people like him here are to blinded by the church of apple to see anything else or even see if what apple does wrong.

I could point out that I find problems on my touch all the time when I have to zoom in more to hit the damn link I want. It would be so much easier if I could just get the arrow close to what I want then used something like a track ball to get exactly where I need it. but LTD can not understand that. Just learn that he is a true fanboy to his core and only spits out standard worship apple stuff.

 

[Reed Rothchild]

That is news to me, do you mean an iPhone with no contract verse unlocked?

Ah - sorry. My initial point post was comparing the cost of an unlocked iPhone with the unlocked Nexus One. An iPhone without a contract is not classed as unlocked I take it. This was my original post:

An unlocked Nexus One costs $530 (as I'm in the UK I convert that to £330). I've not seen a brand new iPhone 3GS available for less than $530. In fact a lot of the ones I've seen are touching $1000. Please PM me a link to brand new unlocked iPhone 3GS's under $530 as I may have a cunning new business opportunity brewing .

Oh, and we can skip the SD costs. I'll throw in a 16GB SD card (or two) as part of the package as they're so cheap anyway.

For which I received the response from Matt:

Here's what I get, with a 2-year contract and microSD card (microSD prices averaged from newegg.com):

8GB 3G - $99
8GB Nexus - $203

16GB 3GS - $199
16GB Nexus - $229

32GB 3GS - $299
32GB Nexus - Not possible, no one makes 32GB microSD cards yet.

With no contract...

8GB 3G - $499
8GB Nexus - $553

16GB 3GS - $599
16GB Nexus - $579

32GB - See above.

So it seems that Matt's response was around iPhones with no contract, rather than iPhones that are unlocked?

How much does a 3GS 32GB unlocked iPhone from Apple cost then?

 

[miketcool]

Why include a trackball?? Yikes . . .

As it has been pointed out, the scroll ball is the EXACT same piece of hardware found on CrackBerrys.

For navigating links on a dense webpage, thank you high-res screen, the trackball makes web usage a breeze. It's also great for gaming, apps, and quick one-handed navigation tasks!

 

[gibbz]

I won't get it because I am addicted to Apple products

However, this looks like a nicely equipped phone with great specs and should hopefully act as a catalyst for further improvements by Apple on the iPhone. Competition is grand and I welcome all forms of it. For people not on AT&T, this has to be a welcome phone.

 

[Island Dog]

It looks nice to me, but I'm tired of dropping $500 on these "smart" phones.

Hopefully this will encourage Apple to open up the iPhone to more customization.

 

[zacman]

For that you'll have to fly to the US and get one. Did you add these costs to your price?

I booked a flight to NYC in March with Continental for around 180 € (round trip). Going to Rome, Italy not Wisconsin (SCNR) by train and getting an iPhone there is around 100€. But then why go to Rome if you can go to NYC for just 80€ more? But that's OT.

And to best of my knowledge you just can't walk into an Apple store and get an unlocked iPhone in the US like you can in selected countries of Europe. You always have to jailbreak+hacktivate the US iPhones first, right?

 

[diamond.g]

Let's see

Google fails to address app storage issue with Droid and Android 2.0
http://androidandme.com/2009/10/new...app-storage-issue-with-droid-and-android-2-0/
And that's from an Android fan site.



Actually T-Mobile uses a different frequency, so most GSM standard phones won't get 3g on T-Mobile.

AWS is a band 4. Which is a standard for UTMS...

 

[miketcool]

Again, Apps support multi-touch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM1JSFXnQpg

Google hasn't released an update to officially "unlock" mutli-touch. It is there, it is supported, and a few apps are running in multi-touch. Google is waiting to make a deal with Apple so we don't have more silly UI patent lawsuits.

T-Mobile takes entire 3G network to 7.2Mbps. Here's the story from Engadget

And YES! I ran SpeedTest on my G1 and they managed to upgrade it here in Cincinnati! Man is this lightning fast!

 

[*LTD*]

Welcome to the fanboy word of *LTD*. Under his view if it does not have an apple lable on it it is crap plan and simple.

Not necessarily. But if it doesn't have an Apple logo on it, I'm immediately suspicious. The device is "guilty before proven innocent", and judging by what's come out of Apple over the last decade and what's been copied and churned out elsewhere, a healthy dose of suspicion is certainly warranted, at least at first blush.

 

[Theclamshell]

1 GHZ!!!!!!!!!! thats insane for a cell phone. Its faster than all my vintage macs hahaha

 

[thetexan]

Google hasn't released an update to officially "unlock" mutli-touch. It is there, it is supported, and a few apps are running in multi-touch. Google is waiting to make a deal with Apple so we don't have more silly UI patent lawsuits.



And YES! I ran SpeedTest on my G1 and they managed to upgrade it here in Cincinnati! Man is this lightning fast!

Which means T-Mobile should sue AT&T for claiming "America's fastest 3G network". AT&T is no longer the fastest.

 

[HiRez]

The video density and resolution is higher than iPhone roughly 800x480 vs 320x480.

It should make for much better text antialiasing, making small text sharper, smoother, and easier to read. The iPhone display is good, but text at small sizes is not pleasant to read. 800x480 might be overkill on a screen that size, but even something in-between in the 640 to 720 range could be a big improvement for text. And since it doesn't have the horsepower to efficiently antialias 3D game graphics, a higher resolution should mean small jaggy edges (although the more pixels you're pushing, the harder it taxes the hardware and battery too, so I don't know what the right balance point is).

 

[*LTD*]

"It pushes the limits of what's possible of a mobile phone today," said Peter Chou, the CEO of HTC, which designed the Nexus One.

I'm not sure what the limits actually are, but to say that a rebadged phone that catches up to what the iPhone has been doing for almost a year now is pushing the limits, is hardly credible. The iPhone redefined the "limits", and everyone else is trying to reach them. But Google has to say *something* puffed in the absence of anything truly unique or revolutionary. "Superphone" sure sounds better than "rebadged HTC."

 

[miketcool]

Which means T-Mobile should sue AT&T for claiming "America's fastest 3G network". AT&T is no longer the fastest.

Yeah, after the whole "we've got a map for it" vs. "fatty Owens brother reject", you gotta wonder if T-Mobile will get in on the fun.

I always enjoy clarifying this; I would have bought an iPhone a long time ago if it weren't tied to ATT.

 

[deconstruct60]

http://www.google.com/phone/static/en_US-nexusone_tech_specs.html

Some interesting observations one hour in.

The speaker and microphone is positioned so the back of the device is how you talk on the phone.

The mic on the back is the noise cancelling mic (hole left and below camera) . Pretty sure there is a regular mic toward bottom on front (#11 on the spec diagram). There are two mics. One to pick up the ambient noise and the other for what you are saying . Take the two streams and weave out the background.

Further the camera being there one could do video conferencing and speakerphone, albiet without seeing the visual on the other end.

What kind of conference is that where transmit picture of yourself and don't look at anything coming back. The porn chat phone? LOL.
I don't think video conferencing is big target for this phone.

... but is the OS internal and not on the SD card or does a second card need to have an OS installed if you are a switcher?

software code is on the internal flash. Where "application" mixes content versus software into one subdirectory you have a limit. If store static data on SD card this isn't as much of a problem.

It uses the same radio stuff as the iPhone. GSM/EDGE.

Not likely exactly the same since Tmobiles 3G network is on different frequency.

It uses micro-USB and interestingly is not in the iPhone ecosystem with a compatible dock connector.

That is the standard connector for all European phones. Apple is suppose to go micro too (or at least ship folks a dongle. )

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/06/29/micro-usb-to-be-the-standard-phone-charging-port-of-europe/

 

[alexhasfun28]

Wow! really? "Superphone"
That's real chessy to call the Nexus One a "superphone"

The damn device can't even pinch & zoom!

Apple will do a better job this summer, watch!

 

[HiRez]

Which means T-Mobile should sue AT&T for claiming "America's fastest 3G network". AT&T is no longer the fastest.

And you're basing that on one guy doing one test using one phone in one city?

Actually, I don't have any problem with AT&T's 3G speed in my area, it's not bad at all (probably 50%-75% as fast as Wi-Fi) it's just the coverage that's spotty, especially once you move out of the city. Admittedly, this is a huge failing for them, but the speed is fine.

 

[crisss1205]

I wonder what will be in the iPhone 4.0 update and the new iPhone!

 

[gctwnl]

Since apple is locked to crappy AT&T, looks like my next phone will be this one. Definately going to give the iPhone a run for the money. Guess apple shouldn't have had google on there board as it looks kind of similar to the iPhone.

• Google does not need to be on the board to know what the iPhone is or can do, they will definitely have bought a few.
• Standard $529 with 4GB on an SD card, so it looks cheaper. Smart, reminds me of the NeXT Cube which looked more expensive that PC/Mac/Sun solutions until you fitted those with the same functionality. But it still worked marketing-wise to establish an 'expensive' label on the NeXT. So, how much for 8GB to get in the range of the minimum iPhone memory?
• Still a broken memory architecture, you cannot put apps and such on the SD card. No room for serious apps or games.
• In a different league than the iPhone but might still do well. Still, would you pay out of pocket $529 knowing this is the first release and you can expect it to be followed pretty soon by something that addresses the most serious problems?
• How is the music/video interface?

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Not necessarily. But if it doesn't have an Apple logo on it, I'm immediately suspicious. The device is "guilty before proven innocent", and judging by what's come out of Apple over the last decade and what's been copied and churned out elsewhere, a healthy dose of suspicion is certainly warranted, at least at first blush.

That pretty much is what is an apple fanboy.
I have seen post after post of yours that does see potential in apple products and completely goes over the flaws or you fail to try to see past media hype/crap about apple products.

At the same token you refuse to see the potential in non apple products. That is a problem. I have my reasons for not wanting an iPhone. Android really has my attentional and that is the potential in it. Personally I am rather pissed that ATT refused to do do anything but worship the iPhone. I want the iPhone to go to other networks for no other reason than it would cause ATT to open its does to Android phones because Apple will backstab them in the back. We all know apple will do that.

 

[lightpeak]

If the battery cover drops off after 3-5 days of use will the owners still claim its the best phone EVAR! and sneer at the iPhone as if it fell out of a horse's rear?

Will the pundits claim it will be a failure within a year with "only" 100k units sold?

Will its anemic app store be praised for its disorganized chaotic collection of apps that must be purchased with a Google account that 99% of people don't have?

What will happen to the Android "clones" now that Google is competing directly with them, and getting the best OS and features/design for themselves?

1) Droid Phones have a higher resolution and pixel count than iPhone
2) Droid Phones have Google Turn by Turn GPS Navigation
3) Droid Phones have voice activated search
4) Droid phones allow you to simultaneously run up to six applications and toggle between them with an on-screen menu iPhone cannot
5) Because I'm not stuck with a single source phone vendor I can get Droid phones with Qwerty keyboards if I want.
6) When the battery can no longer hold a charge, I can change out the battery myself... Just how productive will you be when you need to send in your iPhone to change out the battery? Just another "Jobs way or the Highway" example... Will you be iPhoneless then?
7) There are no reports of Droid Phones overheating to the point of catching on fire.

 

[Padraig]

Not necessarily. But if it doesn't have an Apple logo on it, I'm immediately suspicious. The device is "guilty before proven innocent", and judging by what's come out of Apple over the last decade and what's been copied and churned out elsewhere, a healthy dose of suspicion is certainly warranted, at least at first blush.

All adds to my theory that LTD is simply a troll, playing the overly-zealous fanboy character. I still wouldn't be surprised if BRLawyer, Consultant and LTD were the same person.

 

[surferfromuk]

I wonder if Nokia tried to shaft them on the GSM patent licenses?

 

[bozzykid]

• Still a broken memory architecture, you cannot put apps and such on the SD card. No room for serious apps or games.

You clearly haven't played any games on the Android. App developers have gotten around this quite easily. Only the program itself needs to be in internal memory, not the data. Is it clunky for developers? Sure, but the end user doesn't care as long as it works and installs. Google just announced that this would be fixed soon anyways.