Google Pixel 4 Leaks Suggest Punch-Hole Selfie Camera and Total Lack of Physical Buttons

Hardware:
Headphone jack (I know...it ain't coming back) --This is a BIG one. Possible dealbreaker
Fingerprint reader (also not coming back) --I could use an iPhone 8 though
Stylus (I use a Note for a reason) --not a dealbreaker though
No notch
USB-C --Dealbreaker. NOT buying anything "lightning". Ever.
MicroSD --less important these days, but still convenient if I'm buying, not leasing, the phone

Software:
Back button --This is a BIG one
Close all
Home screen customization
Themes (I personalize most of my stuff)
Dex

I have been tempted by the Xrs, though (I really, really want the mac integration), and a couple of great features from Android already made it into iOS (split screen multitasking was a VERY big one for me).

Maybe this year iOS 13 will woo me back...
Thanks. It's kind of nice to see it all in a list-- I hear opinions on one or another of these items but any single one seems trivial. As a list, you start to see how it all comes together into a difference in approach.

I was kind of wondering if something would come up that I'd prefer. For the most part, I'm ok with the iPhone decisions-- probably just out of habit.

The one I'm still on the fence about is face vs. fingerprint. For most things, I find FaceID fine. There's a few places where it's a problem though. Driving is one-- I don't want to have to look at the phone to open it or fumble through the passcode. Some will say I shouldn't be touching it on the road, but if all my music is there, and my podcasts then at some point I'm going to want to change tracks and Siri doesn't seem to understand my music library. The other is the new iPads. FaceID is on the short edge right where you'd want to hold it if landscape, so it's a bit of a "can you see me now?" game.

I prefer FaceID to the home button, and I think I prefer it to fingerprint on the back though I haven't played with that much. Fingerprint under the screen though starts to get interesting again.

Don't the new iPhones support the pencil? My X doesn't, but I thought the newer ones did...
 
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I prefer FaceID to the home button, and I think I prefer it to fingerprint on the back though I haven't played with that much. Fingerprint under the screen though starts to get interesting again..

I will say one of the biggest items I miss from my Pixel XL and Nexus 6P compared to my iPhone XR is going to be the finger print sensor on the back of the phone. It always felt like it was in that right spot for how I held my phone to unlock it. The one on the iPhone 8, and iPad on the home button honestly were always meh. Plus on the Pixel I could pull down the notification and some other things with just moving my finger over the finger print sensor. That was always nice.

Now on the iPhone I am cool with navigating with gestures. To tell you the truth I was pretty used it it just from my Pixel by the end as I had that one in gestures mode.

In a perfect world I would like the finger print sensor on the back where the Apple logo is and faceID as each has it advantages and draw backs. If I am laying in bed faceID tends to fail me a lot more often but the finger print works great. On the other hand finger print sucks if my had has some dirt on it or have a cut that throws off the finger print, it is freezing cold ect.
 
My point is that your performance-based evidence is no substitute for prognostication. How well a company is currently doing tells you nothing about their prospects, only their preparedness.

As I thought, you are not a trader. You are another me too shareholder. A trader wouldn't spend an inornate amount of time on a brand fan site doing "research". He wouldn't obsess over a single stock or two. He would be looking for the next potential headline maker.
If you’re buying a stock to trade, you will lose money in the long term, period. I don’t do my research on a forum. I am a fundamental investor, so I look to the business.

You don’t buy or even trade GOOGL shares based on their hardware or other bets businesses. You buy GOOGL because of their cash flow, growth, ad dominance, or if you’re a trader, technicals.

I make a lot better returns than traders because traders can’t even beat the market over time. Don’t tell me they can. Almost no one can.
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Oh, ok. I'm using a completely failed device that works WAY better for my need than iOS ever could. I'll remember that when I can use firefox's gecko rather than safari's webview. Or download apps from wherever I want. Or have a system wide adblocker. Or a fantastic single lens camera.

This is my ****ing problem with your people on this website. Crying about people that use Android, when it works for them. Sorry I don't want to spend $1400 on a phone that I'm practically renting from a company lmao ffs man.
This is an Apple site. The fact there is even Google news here is sort of wrong. If you like Android, maybe you should hang out on Android Forums. I’m not the one out of place here.
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Based on research, Google's smart phone market share has gone up considerably since the launch of the pixel, compared to Apple's which is on a decline since approximately the same time period
Post the data. Google started from zero, so they will have some growth because they were nothing.
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Bud, all smartphone companies are down in volume Q1 19 vs 18 other than Huawei. Apple was down the most of the big companies at -30%. Everyone but Huawei putting out terrible smartphone hardware? Especially Apple? You can't judge the quality of a product strictly on sales success.
The 30% figure you’re quoting is a guess from a research company. The official data from Apple shows a 17% decline in iPhone revenue, which is all we have at this point since units aren’t reported.

The decline is due to a tough compare with the strong launch of the original iPhone X that lasted from about Nov 2017 until summer 2018. Also, China trade relations have hurt iPhone but it has improved more recently.

Don’t talk to me about everyone struggling and Pixel is just a casualty of that. Pixel has never been successful. iPhone decline is because Apple is a victim of their own dominance. It’s hard to keep,putting up record after record, particularly when Apple put up an amazing $166B in iPhone sales alone in 2018. No one is surprised at the decline...which is why Apple is moving to services.

Active devices are still increasing for Apple and wearables, services, and even iPad are growing nicely.
 
If they can make it a bit smaller than the X I will probably jump on this. Android has shown some pretty cool features especially on the software side for pixel that would be pretty useful to me. However if apple makes a flagship SE2 then I’ll probably stick to apple.
 
A total failure, apart from creating probably the best phone under $500 and easily one of the best cameras in a smartphone.

iPhone 7 is under $500, is faster, has better support, more secure. The only inferior aspect is the still camera.
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Honestly, I like the style of the Pixel. I don't think I am alone.

You are not alone, merely in an exceptionally tiny minority.
 
I will say one of the biggest items I miss from my Pixel XL and Nexus 6P compared to my iPhone XR is going to be the finger print sensor on the back of the phone. It always felt like it was in that right spot for how I held my phone to unlock it. The one on the iPhone 8, and iPad on the home button honestly were always meh. Plus on the Pixel I could pull down the notification and some other things with just moving my finger over the finger print sensor. That was always nice.

Now on the iPhone I am cool with navigating with gestures. To tell you the truth I was pretty used it it just from my Pixel by the end as I had that one in gestures mode.

In a perfect world I would like the finger print sensor on the back where the Apple logo is and faceID as each has it advantages and draw backs. If I am laying in bed faceID tends to fail me a lot more often but the finger print works great. On the other hand finger print sucks if my had has some dirt on it or have a cut that throws off the finger print, it is freezing cold ect.

I agree with the sensor being in the back is preferable. Your index finger would go there naturally when you pick up the device. TouchID in the front is inferior, in my opinion.

I've gotten so used to it that I sometimes forget I actually unlocked my Note8 because its done before I see the screen to use it. I don't even hit the camera (anymore) even though the sensor is right next to it. The fact it sits somewhat to the left of the device is also more ergonomic (for right-handers like me) than center mounted ones, as a "trigger finger" hand position in easy when holding the device.

Personally, a combination of methods to log into the device is what I'd prefer Apple to do, but if I had to pick one or the other I'd take a rear sensor over that ghastly notch.
 
I tried the Pixel 3XL briefly. It was a decent phone overall, camera was stunning. Omitting the large notch in favor of a holepunch on the front is definitely a welcome step in the right direction

Omitting all buttons though? You still need to have some way to physically restart/reboot the phone if unresponsive I would think.

Not to mention the wonderful moment when you have in some headphones, and need to pull your phone out of your pocket and as you grab your phone you accidentally activate the capacitive touch to increase the volume to an uncomfortable level.
It does have buttons. They are capacity ones instead of mechanical ones. But they work the same.
https://www.edn.com/design/sensors/...pacitive-sensing-A-step-by-step-guide-Part-I-

iPhone 7 is under $500, is faster, has better support, more secure. The only inferior aspect is the still camera.
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You are not alone, merely in an exceptionally tiny minority.
iphone 7 camera sucks. The Pixel 3a obliterates it. And price for the Pixel 3a is $399 not $500 and you can get it at $299 with $100 store credit from Google, BestBuy, Amazon and BH.
 
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Poor Android users, still having to press their finger up to a fingerprint reader all the time.
Actually most android phones these days have face unlock AND fingerprint reader while the poor iphone users are stuck paying more without a fingerprint reader and just face unlock that sometimes works and sometimes it doesn't.
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So glad I ditched Googles phones, this sounds like a disaster. Lack of buttons, those poor souls that buy this
Remember that home button? I bet you loved it when it was gone.
 
Looks like a nice phone, although pretty standard for Android nowadays. I always said, if I liked Android and didn't care about privacy, I would likely go with a Pixel. I think that's the closest tied ecosystem similar to Apple. In the end, not worth it, plus I don't like Android and value privacy.
All big companies sell your information, and track your data/life.
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I don't think he's trying to say they are bad phones, just that they don't sell. I actually think they are pretty nice (aside from the 3) also, but they aren't selling. If a product/service isn't doing well, Google typically just gives up on it.
If Google usually gives up on products that don't sell well, and the Pixels w"eren't selling well on 2 and 3"... Why are we seeing a 4th one ? Lol
 
If I am laying in bed faceID tends to fail me a lot more often but the finger print works great. On the other hand finger print sucks if my had has some dirt on it or have a cut that throws off the finger print, it is freezing cold ect.
Yeah, I need to wake up more than I'd like to trigger FaceID. The biggest problem I had with TouchID was after a shower when my fingers absorb all that moisture and swell.
 
Their cameras and software SUCK for video, based on everything I've read. To me, that negates any advantage the camera may have for specialty situations like night shots.

In contrast, the iPhone takes outstanding video. It's also fast enough to edit it efficiently.
Where did you read this? Lol i have the Pixel 2XL and use it to shoot amazing videos lol
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But it's not in reality. I don't care what specs you want to give or reasons it's just as good. The Pixel doesn't sell. It's failed for a company Google's size. It's so small, it almost doesn't deserve to be included.

Again, of $36B in sales, $31B are Ads for Google and the remainder is YouTube, Cloud, App Store, and Hardware. Hardware might be doing $1B in revenue last quarter or about 2.7% of sales.

Apple just did $31B in sales for JUST the iphone, not including Macs, iPad, or Wearables...and people think Apple is doomed because the iPhone slowed. Google certainly didn't take share. The entire market isn't upgrading high end phones as much. Apple isn't losing customers. The user base is growing, not shrinking. Upgrades have just slowed, as expected.
Thats because Google just started in the hardeare game, compared to companies likes Apple and Samsung. You saying their hardware shouldn't be included because it doesn't sell well, is like saying Tesla isn't a car company because their cars don't sell as much as Ford or Chevy. They haven't been in long enough to have an established name in the Field. They started as a search engine lol
 
Capacitive touch for volume seems like a nightmare for case makers.

Betting the dual cameras will increase their lead in photo supremacy. Really hoping Apple ups their game in low light photography.
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Where did you read this? Lol i have the Pixel 2XL and use it to shoot amazing videos lol
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Thats because Google just started in the hardeare game, compared to companies likes Apple and Samsung. You saying their hardware shouldn't be included because it doesn't sell well, is like saying Tesla isn't a car company because their cars don't sell as much as Ford or Chevy. They haven't been in long enough to have an established name in the Field. They started as a search engine lol
For the love if all that’s good and true, please don’t write LOL after what you write if it’s not actually funny. You seemed to make some good points. Let them make your case for you. Writing LOL after a well reasoned point is nonsensical and undermines your credibility. As a global community we need to root out this problem once and for all before it starts appearing in government documents and legal contracts.
 
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Well I have both android auto and carplay and would disagree.
Google fit has nothing on apple health. It certainly doesn't pull in your health data from hospitals. It doesn't track all the metrics I track. It barely does anything. I track weight, BMI, skeletal mass, visceral fat, cholesterol, blood pressure, nutrients. I'm simplifying it as I do track much much more. Google fit is not even remotely close.

And you know how many people track those metrics? Yup :) Google fit is great at exercise detection and tracking and supports a lot more in this respect than Apple. That’s what’s important to me.

I just find that Android auto gives me the information I need when I need it. CarPlay gives me exactly zero information other than annoying calendar notification pop-ups.

Plus AA it’s more open and there are more 3rd party services that use it. Voice recognition is dramatically better on AA than on CarPlay, but that’s a genera issue with Siri
 
Overall, I believe that most people stick with Apple because they don’t like Android and don’t trust google. So the discussion here is rather pointless :)
 
Looks like a nice phone, although pretty standard for Android nowadays. I always said, if I liked Android and didn't care about privacy, I would likely go with a Pixel. I think that's the closest tied ecosystem similar to Apple. In the end, not worth it, plus I don't like Android and value privacy.
Facebook is most intrusive data collection company on the planet. Almost 3 BILLION people give their personal data knowingly and willingly to Facebook. In addition no bigger data breaches and scandals than Facebook. And yet nobody is shutting down Facebook and Facebook keeps on growing. Compared to Facebook, Google is Mother Teresa. So wake me up when Facebook is bankrupt and their users are down to below 1 million.
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Overall, I believe that most people stick with Apple because they don’t like Android and don’t trust google. So the discussion here is rather pointless :)
Google Android sales are skyrocketing and now account to more than 86% of all global phones while Apple phones continue to shrink and are down to 14% and falling. Data from IDC
 
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Google seriously should give up on hardware. It's a failure.

They should stick to ads.
What a poor argument; it's because of how they are so successful in the advertising game that they can branch out, and afford to fail, in other ventures. It's no skin off their nose as long as that ad revenue keeps rolling in. Forever.
 
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Facebook is most intrusive data collection company on the planet. Almost 3 BILLION people give their personal data knowingly and willingly to Facebook. In addition no bigger data breaches and scandals than Facebook. And yet nobody is shutting down Facebook and Facebook keeps on growing. Compared to Facebook, Google is Mother Teresa. So wake me up when Facebook is bankrupt and their users are down to below 1 million.
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Google Android sales are skyrocketing and now account to more than 86% of all global phones while Apple phones continue to shrink and are down to 14% and falling. Data from IDC

Yeah, I know that. But these percentages won't really matter on this site, where this discussion is currently taking place.
 
You listing some benefits doesn't mean it's successful. Show me the sales that make it successful? Sometimes, those features aren't enough to sell phones. The Pixel has a good camera...so do a lot of smartphones, including the iPhones.

There is far more Android competition than iOS competition. Samsung crushes Google.

Google's most recent report shows $36B in revenue for the quarter. $31B was from Ads, or over 86%.

The remainder was from "Google Other" which includes:

• Apps, in-app purchases, and digital content in the Google Play store;
• Google Cloud offerings;
• Hardware
• YouTube subscriptions

Analysts agree YouTube and Cloud are the 2 highest earners of that group, leaving something like $1B, MAYBE $2B for hardware. It's a joke.

I am long GOOGL, but I recognize their hardware sales are a complete nothingburger.
You sound very passionate in your dislike for Google. Calm down ok, Apple doesn't belong to your dad
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If you are truly an investor like you claim, then I doubt you'd have such a sloppy, shallow view of these earnings reports. Apple was first to market with today's contemporary smartphone and has an incredible lead that isn't going anywhere in the short term. Google's hardware division, as well as X and their various sub-divisions that work in health sciences, automated driving, providing internet to developed countries, etc. may be net negative in revenue for a long period of time but the point is that these are long-term bets and investments that either support other areas of the business that are profitable or are expected to grow over time.
Exactly, I just don't believe in those shares claims
 
Someones never used an android before lmao Just about all androids these days have Face Unlock.
Yes, I use Android 3D Face unlock in Huawei Mate 20 Pro, Note 8, Note 10, OnePlus 6, Honor 10....the OS smooth as butter with all flexibilities and customisation... I have stopped using iOS for few years and I don't miss a thing. Hope it is as good as Android..
 
Facebook is most intrusive data collection company on the planet. Almost 3 BILLION people give their personal data knowingly and willingly to Facebook. In addition no bigger data breaches and scandals than Facebook. And yet nobody is shutting down Facebook and Facebook keeps on growing. Compared to Facebook, Google is Mother Teresa. So wake me up when Facebook is bankrupt and their users are down to below 1 million.
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Google Android sales are skyrocketing and now account to more than 86% of all global phones while Apple phones continue to shrink and are down to 14% and falling. Data from IDC

The abuse of privacy by Facebook doesn’t justify abuse of privacy by Google.
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All big companies sell your information, and track your data/life.
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If Google usually gives up on products that don't sell well, and the Pixels w"eren't selling well on 2 and 3"... Why are we seeing a 4th one ? Lol

That doesn’t make it okay, or something I have to support. I’m not sure, only Google can answer that, but typically they give up on products and services that aren’t doing well. My guess is they realize they need to have some control over smartphone hardware for the eventual replacement of Android. They want to create a closed ecosystem like Apple with Fuchsia.
 
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I need at least one button for a hard reset on my phone! Either that or a pedometer that will hard reset it if I throw it on the floor hard enough
. I think there will be a power button at least.
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At the end of the day, physical buttons are >> virtual buttons. For some things, you just need that physical contact to know that desired input is being sent and inadvertent touches are not being mis-characterized by the I/O subsystem.
There will be a power button at least. I think they talking about volume and finger sensor will no longer be on there
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It appears you are correct. I was not aware of that, but am now. Yep, Jony wants no buttons. ;)
There will at least be a power button
 
Thanks. It's kind of nice to see it all in a list-- I hear opinions on one or another of these items but any single one seems trivial. As a list, you start to see how it all comes together into a difference in approach.

I was kind of wondering if something would come up that I'd prefer. For the most part, I'm ok with the iPhone decisions-- probably just out of habit.

The one I'm still on the fence about is face vs. fingerprint. For most things, I find FaceID fine. There's a few places where it's a problem though. Driving is one-- I don't want to have to look at the phone to open it or fumble through the passcode. Some will say I shouldn't be touching it on the road, but if all my music is there, and my podcasts then at some point I'm going to want to change tracks and Siri doesn't seem to understand my music library. The other is the new iPads. FaceID is on the short edge right where you'd want to hold it if landscape, so it's a bit of a "can you see me now?" game.

I prefer FaceID to the home button, and I think I prefer it to fingerprint on the back though I haven't played with that much. Fingerprint under the screen though starts to get interesting again.

Don't the new iPhones support the pencil? My X doesn't, but I thought the newer ones did...
There will at least be a power button
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Ah... that's tough... no buttons what so ever. I feel like a power button and volume up/down buttons are essential. Then again I thought plastic keyboards were essential for smartphones 12 years ago
I think there will at least be a power. The main buttons being taken away is the fingerprint sensor and volume
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Funny how people criticize the lack of buttons, but when Apple copies it, it was the "best decision ever".
There will at least be a power button. Need a way to power phone on and off
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iPhone video is completely unusable in low light conditions
Google will keep there night shot mode. It maybe even better with the 4. There will at least be a power button too
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Sometimes I like to change the volume of my phone through my clothes... so thats not gonna work with capacitive buttons.
I think there will at least be a power button
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Um I use the S10 plus with no buttons and it's great?
There will at least be a power button for powering on and off the phone
[doublepost=1558178102][/doublepost]There will at least be a button for powering on and off the phone. I am saving up for the Google Pixel 4. I have iPhone XR and not having a home button really isn’t bothering me. So I really don’t think Google Pixel 4 is going to completely la k buttons since there is at least one that is needed
 
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