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i have seen the MacPro's, yes....wright on that sentence i stopt taking you serious...if you'd have a little sense you'd know the 2009's were bad value, a 60$ graphics card in 4000$ machine lol, now the 2010 update is a straight slap in the face for professionals, an update that took 500+days just to come up with a new graphics card and cpu...and yeah imacs are really great also, specialy with the yellow tinted screen... don't let me get you all frustrated, bigshot


True by that standard but most people didn't need that but by geek stand it is behind, I wish I wasn't but on the flip side only a small portion of consumes need it and that Is how I look at it
 
All the more reason for the iPad to have an SD reader! Most laptops/computers use multi-format card readers. :p But the iPad is a closed system, macs aren't. And what about Bluray, then? You have to admit it took Apple a long time to include SD functionality built in. Most likely because you can just buy a cheap one for a few pounds. But with the iPad you're forced to buy an accessory for quite a bit more.

You're missing the point - this isn't a laptop/desktop. It's a different form factor, a different product with a different intended use. Think different?

I've just bought my first camera with an SD card, before then I had various cameras with different card types and different proprietary connection cables. Now a standard appears to be emerging, apple are embracing it. Makes sense to me on a personal level.

And back on the firewire issue, the new standard was there all along - the FW800, it's the return of the older technology which was a very good example of apple listening. If they'd chosen not to, there are plenty of FW800 to FW400 adapters/cables on the market people could have bought.
 
i have seen the MacPro's, yes....wright on that sentence i stopt taking you serious...if you'd have a little sense you'd know the 2009's were bad value, a 60$ graphics card in 4000$ machine lol, now the 2010 update is a straight slap in the face for professionals, an update that took 500+days just to come up with a new graphics card and cpu...and yeah imacs are really great also, specialy with the yellow tinted screen... don't let me get you all frustrated, bigshot

Did you buy a 27" iMac with a yellow screen then and were forced to keep/use it and were offered no replacement/fix by the company? And are you forced to buy the new Mac Pro - if the device isn't fit for purpose, don't buy it. If Apple don't sell the product, they'll know something is wrong.
 
Sorry, your entire logic is flawed. I guess the difference between us is that you speak from your personal preference, i deal day in/day out with the average user. my own opinion is that i'd love an SD card slot and a blu-ray drive. MOST people do not.

People wouldn't buy the devices from the off if they weren't fit for purpose, so arguing Apple have sold loads so they can get away with whatever is nonsense. If the product was restricted, flawed and didn't do what they were advertised to do, people wouldn't buy them - certainly not in the millions.

My logic is that millions of devices are sold, so the product is right for millions of people. Those customers who want something different with alternative functionality/connectivity surely go and buy something else?

Where is the issue?

If every apple product included every feature requested by users, they'd be hideous, expensive and bloated lumps of design.

A camel is a horse designed by committee...

The iPad (version 1) was launched as a wireless media consumption device with light creation functionality. Seems to be doing that just great.

"MOST people do not." Where do you get this from? Do you research this or something? Because otherwise its just your opinion.

The iPhone 3G had a 2mp camera when other phones had 8mp onwards with far better sensors. Please stop twisting my words, I'm not saying the products are flawed but Apple is in a favourable position where they can get away with inferior technology. Look at the macs for example. I'm not disputing that there's a place for the iPad and its sold really well, I don't know where you are getting this from.
As AlexisV just said, they hold back specs so that they can make the next version look better. That's it. No other company can really do that like Apple. Once again I'm not saying the iPad is failing. I said this in my first post. Are you actually reading what I say or just assuming?
And honestly I think your logic is pretty screwed up. You're the guy claiming less functionality means more freedom.

Just another :apple: fanboy!
 
Why does it need a USB port to be free? I edited my original post because i realised the word "freedom" is a very big word that needed further clarification.

This is a designed as a highly portable, wi-fi device, so why stick ports all over it to connect it to things? That goes against it's primary drive as a product.

You're missing the point - this isn't a laptop/desktop. It's a different form factor, a different product with a different intended use. Think different?

I've just bought my first camera with an SD card, before then I had various cameras with different card types and different proprietary connection cables. Now a standard appears to be emerging, apple are embracing it. Makes sense to me on a personal level.

And back on the firewire issue, the new standard was there all along - the FW800, it's the return of the older technology which was a very good example of apple listening. If they'd chosen not to, there are plenty of FW800 to FW400 adapters/cables on the market people could have bought.

Once again Apple making the consumer pay more for the functionality. What's your point? And I didn't say it was a laptop/desktop, did I?
 
"MOST people do not." Where do you get this from? Do you research this or something? Because otherwise its just your opinion.

Yes, I run a marketing/demographic research agency.

If you need some evidence that apple got the overall balance of this rev a product correct, then maybe look at sales figures. A poor product doesn't sell, no matter who makes it unless it is given away as part of promotion/contract or is inexpensive enough that people are willing to take a punt on a luxury item. The iPad falls into neither of these scenarios.

Quick edit. Of a recent survey for a well known movie retailer, 78% of 1000 people questioned stated that watching hi-definition content or full length movies on a desktop computer was not an important consideration when purchasing a computer. Of the same respondants 68% stated that a blu-ray on a laptop was not a factor when choosing a purchase.

How many people here for instance want to watch an enitre feature length movie on a screen 18" from their face, or on a laptop for more than "occasional" use. If this was a BTO order on the mac range, would you be willing to spend 150 - 200 more on a computer to have this facility?

The apple TV is a different story, a lack of blu-ray drive on a home entertainment system will result in a massive lack of public interest and I would suggest (from personal opinion) that this would have a huge negative impact on sales.
 
Yes, I run a marketing/demographic research agency.

If you need some evidence that apple got the overall balance of this rev a product correct, then maybe look at sales figures. A poor product doesn't sell, no matter who makes it unless it is given away as part of promotion/contract or is inexpensive enough that people are willing to take a punt on a luxury item. The iPad falls into neither of these scenarios.

My god, can you please stop assuming I'm saying these things? I know they got the balance right! I know its selling well! What you're forgetting is they got the balance right for their standards. And please provide proof on this research because its still just your opinion.
 
Once again Apple making the consumer pay more for the functionality. What's your point? And I didn't say it was a laptop/desktop, did I?

Apple MAKING the consumer pay more for the functionality?

How?

If a consumer wants functionality which isn't supported by a device, they surely don't buy it. Can see anyone sat around with a gun pointed to my head making me buy it?

No you didn't say it was a laptop/desktop but what you're suggesting is that the iPad should have the same functionality as a laptop/desktop when it's intended purpose/usage is NOT the same.
 
As much as I trust Google to give a reliable cloud service, I wouldn't trust them with an OS (and the ultimate reason for me not using Android). If something is less than popular for Google, they have a habit of sweeping things under a rug and whistle twiddling their thumbs leaving their users out to dry.


(My personal Google Burn List)
Nexus One
Wave
Google Checkout
GMail Notifier
You could probably include gears in this list.
 
My god, can you please stop assuming I'm saying these things? I know they got the balance right! I know its selling well! What you're forgetting is they got the balance right for their standards. And please provide proof on this research because its still just your opinion.

I 4 example, do buy iPad only if:There is a front faceing cam, back dont care,SD Slot, and Bluethoot Capability for sending and receiving files of any type! This is fact, so lets see iPad2:)Greetz
 
l am still going to argue its never about hardware it's all about software that's what I believe in the end drives sales. I would hope the new iOS update for iPad will change the the playing field to an extent (I.e multitasking like streaming music or video across iDisk to iPad in background or iPhoto, iWeb, iMovie, GarageBand (using camera connection kit to transfer audio) suite apps)

Don't get me wrong completion is good but I don't see anything better ATM and there will be the only problem is that I would rather have the original and be ahead of the curve then behind it and I think many geeks would agree google will have it's time just not in the tablet sector I could see it in the personal data sector which apple should capitalize on ( I wish it wasn't so but it will happen at some point I just hope apple has good things in store which is why most ppl have stuck by them, as an extra they haven't made mobile me public yet for everyone which would be awesome if mobile me became the app,e chromo ios lol
 
My god, can you please stop assuming I'm saying these things? I know they got the balance right! I know its selling well! What you're forgetting is they got the balance right for their standards. And please provide proof on this research because its still just your opinion.

You really are obtuse. You deliberately choose to misunderstand and cause argument. You clearly stated that the iPad was a flawed device because it didn't have an SD card slot and other connectivity. Something which it needed in YOUR opinion.

I stated clearly that the iPad not flawed, it is fit for purpose.

I backed this up with clear statements which were a mixture of fact, opinion and market research. Don't back track. The iPad is a high quality device, which has redefined/created a new market in computing and is exceeding even Apple's own sales expectations. No one is forced to buy it, and that it doesn't have every feature that you would like does not make it a weak, poorly designed, unsuccessful or "closed" product.
 
Apple MAKING the consumer pay more for the functionality?

How?

If a consumer wants functionality which isn't supported by a device, they surely don't buy it. Can see anyone sat around with a gun pointed to my head making me buy it?

No you didn't say it was a laptop/desktop but what you're suggesting is that the iPad should have the same functionality as a laptop/desktop when it's intended purpose/usage is NOT the same.

Because practically all consumer electronics that communicate with PCs use a standard USB format. But if you want it with this you have to pay for more, rather than having a standard USB port built in. Get it? Think I've made it pretty clear.

And I'm not suggesting the iPad should have the same functionality as a laptop/desktop. I'm really not. I'm getting tired of this because you can't seem to grasp the idea of reading what someone says and directly responding. You just seem to read what they say and then assume it means something else and build your argument around that. I'm going to bow out of this argument now as we clearly disagree. Enjoy your "freedom".

EDIT: Thank you for proving my point once again. I never said the iPad was unsuccessful, weak or poorly designed. Nor did I say it was flawed. Learn to read. Bye!
 
Because practically all consumer electronics that communicate with PCs use a standard USB format. But if you want it with this you have to pay for more, rather than having a standard USB port built in. Get it? Think I've made it pretty clear.

This connects to the PC using a cable provided by the manufacturer. So in order to acieve this functionality you do not have to pay more.

And I'm not suggesting the iPad should have the same functionality as a laptop/desktop. I'm really not.
So why does the iPad need an SD card slot and USB ports?

I'm getting tired of this because you can't seem to grasp the idea of reading what someone says and directly responding. You just seem to read what they say and then assume it means something else and build your argument around that. I'm going to bow out of this argument now as we clearly disagree. Enjoy your "freedom".

EDIT: Thank you for proving my point once again. I never said the iPad was unsuccessful, weak or poorly designed. Nor did I say it was flawed. Learn to read. Bye!

Nope, i've read every word. I didn't suggest you'd said that the product was poorly design or unsuccessful, I stated that in my opinion it was a great design and that sales figures showed it was successful. You stated the device was closed and lacking in functionality. It is that which I take issue with and have been debating with you.
 
the only thing Android is good for and that is making Google money on mobile search. Period.
Apple has a complete solution with its media ecosystem and iworks for ipad. I have not seen on productivity application that is fingerable for the Android tablet. Not one. All we ever see is the ubiquitous surfing of the net, playing a movie and a game. No printing. Nothing.
 
Check engadget!! It turned out to be a false rumor!! It will come out next year. Not this year at all. Those specs were pure guesses.
 
So funny that Google is following Apple around trying to copy their success. Kinda sad, really. "Google, please go back to building search crap, that's what you do! Leave the cool products to the company that can do it right!"

What? Like Apple you mean?
 
the only thing Android is good for and that is making Google money on mobile search. Period.
Apple has a complete solution with its media ecosystem and iworks for ipad. I have not seen on productivity application that is fingerable for the Android tablet. Not one. All we ever see is the ubiquitous surfing of the net, playing a movie and a game. No printing. Nothing.

You mean there's more to life than media? You said it yourself - it's ubiquitous. Remember 'Get a Mac'? To paraphrase, Macs are for fun; PCs are for boring spreadsheets and word processing. Now you flip and level the same argument at the mobile platform that's just leap-frogged iOS in market share. iLOL.
 
Nexus One, round 2.

By August of 2011, if not sooner, this device will be irrelevant. Google should stick to what it does best: web applications.

Irrelevant??
They made the Nexus to promote Android. Period. Android is fine they move on. You still don't get what's their focus?
 
and... the Nexus One is where now ?
:rolleyes:


Enjoying a well-earned retirement. Its sole purpose was to promote Android as a viable smartphone OS, which it has done in spades. Google is not entering the hardware market - it is more interested in AdMob for its income. But you knew that already, didn't you?
 
Enjoying a well-earned retirement. Its sole purpose was to promote Android as a viable smartphone OS, which it has done in spades. Google is not entering the hardware market - it is more interested in AdMob for its income. But you knew that already, didn't you?

I think the Droid family did a better job than the Nexus One to be honest. I think the Nexus One dated itself before it even hit the market. I find the statement "Google is not entering the hardware market" laughable since they branded that handset a "Google" phone which sets itself apart from the other Android models because it's the only officially branded handset from Google. I believe Google was going to make a play for the hardware market if it was met with success. Instead, they've moved their concentration to the tablet market.

Chrome Tablet will be feature rich but may be crippled by it's software. We're not sure how this will operate with current Android apps or anything. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Anyone searching hard for a true alternative for the iPad should be pleased, but I just laugh at their childish disdain for what's "popular".
 
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