Google's New Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL Smartphones Likely to Debut at Upcoming October 9 Event

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I'm curious what kind of numbers these Pixel phones sell.
Certainly no where near iPhone quantities, but I'm thinking it must be a decent seller.
I know the next poster gave you the numbers but you have to remember Pixels are styled conservatively, run plain Android, and are flagship priced. The only people that want something like that folks that want pure Android, don't care about the style, and can throw $900 in cash at a phone those people are few and far between. I've had Nexus and Pixel now for many years and I've run into one other person IRL with one.
 

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Don't rush to believe the "leaked" model. It might (just might) be the most successful trolling in the smartphone history.
Mentioned it before that's it's highly likely Google are trolling us with a fake. Having been involved with product development life cycle a full retail boxed leak is very unlikely before FCC certification and months before release.

It better turn out to be darn good otherwise the trolling could backfire with a mediocre update.
 

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Another notch, for no real functional reason. Google should be ashamed of themselves, it would be nice if the tech community gave them the stick they deserve. I'm hoping Apple bring out an iPhone with no display at all and see how long it is before it's copied?
 

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What seems idiotic to me is to have a notch but no FaceID type authentication.
Face ID technology itself doesn't warrant a notch though. Apple could have implemented Face ID into a Note9-like bezel, with no notch. They just went the route they did and now some people have a misconception that the only way a notch makes sense is with Face ID. Not true.
 

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@ everyone talking about Pixel phone sales:

Google isn't really concerned with the 4 million Pixel phones they sell every year. As many say... it's a rounding error.

Google's real endgame is the billion phones sold every year that are running their Android software.

Or to say it another way: Pixel phones are Google's hobby... while advertising/software is their actual business.
 
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@ everyone talking about Pixel phone sales:

Google isn't really concerned with the 4 million Pixel phones they sell every year. As many say... it's a rounding error.

Google's real endgame is the billion phones sold every year that are running their Android software.

Or to say it another way: Pixel phones are Google's hobby... while advertising/software is their actual business.
Then why bother in the first place.
Android is the most prolific smartphone OS on the planet.
Google already has the eyeballs covered, or uncovered so to speak.
If you flip the above script and it was an Apple acolyte saying the above there would be one word used: Sheeple

The above doesn't add up when you look at this development:
January 30 2018 - Google Bets a Billion Dollars More Brains Can Help Take On Apple
"Google officially closed its $1.1 billion deal with HTC Corp., adding more than 2,000 smartphone specialists in Taiwan to help the search giant chase Apple Inc. in the cut-throat premium handset market.

The deal will help Google design more of its own consumer hardware and could set it up to wade deeper into special-purpose chips -- like Apple. Google’s most recent Pixel model came with a new image processor to improve the device’s camera. More of this "custom silicon" will come in the future, Google’s hardware chief Rick Osterloh said in an interview. "


All the posturing and unsubstantiated speculation from other posters about what the Pixel is and who it is for doesn't add up based on that link.
 
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Problem is, you have no meaningful data to show people choose Pixel over iPhone. Meanwhile, I have sales data to show Apple crushes Pixel and every other phone.

Who cares about a couple people buying Pixels over iPhone even if it’s true? The overall market has spoken. Pixel is a rounding error.
You keep trying to change my argument. What you've done is said is that the pixels don't matter. I have disproven that using the example of the possibly superior camera. It only takes one example to disprove an absolute.

I am not arguing that every pixel sold was from an iPhone convert. Neither am I arguing that people ought to switch. I am simply arguing that Apple takes note of the competition and the Pixel has proven, at least with it's camera, that it does "matter."

If many credible sources review it as being an excellent phone with a particularly great camera, you can bet it's had a motivational effect on your beloved iPhones.

If you reply to this and it's more of the shallowness we've been getting, I'm not going to bother with it.
 

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Why are people so against the notch - it's extra pixels you wouldn't have had otherwise. Think glass half full instead half empty.
It makes zero sense. Just put a bezel there and extend the screen past 16:9 like Samsung does.

It makes even less sense to have a notch when you have a chin bezel.
 

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You keep trying to change my argument. What you've done is said is that the pixels don't matter. I have disproven that using the example of the possibly superior camera. It only takes one example to disprove an absolute.

I am not arguing that every pixel sold was from an iPhone convert. Neither am I arguing that people ought to switch. I am simply arguing that Apple takes note of the competition and the Pixel has proven, at least with it's camera, that it does "matter."

If many credible sources review it as being an excellent phone with a particularly great camera, you can bet it's had a motivational effect on your beloved iPhones.

If you reply to this and it's more of the shallowness we've been getting, I'm not going to bother with it.
You have not shown that because the Pixel has an objectively better camera than the iPhone, it matters to Apple.
Just because you say it doesn't make it so.
Since 2011 Samsung has had a mobile phone in it's lineup with a built in stylus.
It too has gotten good reviews.
How has that mattered to Apple?

Is Apple selling a ton of mobile devices with an objectively inferior camera? : Yes
Is Google selling a ton of Pixels with a highly rated camera? : No
 
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Then why bother in the first place.
Android is the most prolific smartphone OS on the planet.
Google already has the eyeballs covered, or uncovered so to speak.
If you flip the above script and it was an Apple acolyte saying the above there would be one word used: Sheeple

The above doesn't add up when you look at this development:
January 30 2018 - Google Bets a Billion Dollars More Brains Can Help Take On Apple
"Google officially closed its $1.1 billion deal with HTC Corp., adding more than 2,000 smartphone specialists in Taiwan to help the search giant chase Apple Inc. in the cut-throat premium handset market.

The deal will help Google design more of its own consumer hardware and could set it up to wade deeper into special-purpose chips -- like Apple. Google’s most recent Pixel model came with a new image processor to improve the device’s camera. More of this "custom silicon" will come in the future, Google’s hardware chief Rick Osterloh said in an interview. "


All the posturing and unsubstantiated speculation from other posters about what the Pixel is and who it is for doesn't add up based on that link.
Thanks for the link!

Yeah... why does Google bother? It's a good question.

Even if Pixel sales quadrupled to a grand total of 16 million units a year... that's still a blip compared to the billion Android phones from other manufacturers sold every year.

It would look something like this:



And that's if Google sold 4 times as many Pixels as they currently sell. If they don't... they'd barely show up on that chart... :p

Like you said... Google already has the eyeballs from Android in general. Pixel phones don't really add many more eyeballs. I'd guess if someone didn't buy a Pixel... they'd end up with some other Android phone. And that would still be a win for Google.
 
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If the notch is ever removed would be interesting to see if the posters in the following categories:
"notch doesn't bother me people"
"nothing wrong with the notch "
start screaming for the return of the notch.
The notch is necessary right now. I’ll take a notch over bezels. Once the technology allows for the removal of the notch, it will be removed. As of now though, you don’t notice it in normal use.
 

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Honestly, why would anyone care on this forum unless they hate Apple and are here just to make others feel negative about themselves and the products they choose to buy? The phone looks like a crap knock off of the iPhone X to those who own the iPhone X.
 

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Everyone except the 2.3 billion people or so who use Android phones...
You mean the Android phones that cost $650 less than the Pixel and the no profit arena in which Apple doesn’t even compete? Great argument for the Pixel.
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"Everyone" doesn't want the new iPhones.
The market Apple targets does...overwhelmingly. 90% of all smartphone profits....meaning Apple OWNS this space.
 

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A lot of folks want companies to aspire to be Apple or Samsung, so they can watch them fail to be such. The reality is, Google will be just fine with making small coin on hardware. I firmly believe they aren't in it to take down the iPhone, or whatever some folks tell themselves. They'll happily welcome a small sliver of that market segment, sure, but Google should know better than anyone that competition in the market alone is healthy for the market overall.

There are several reasons for Google to design and manufacture their own hardware, but I don't believe (and I don't think Google believes) taking down Apple and it's iPhone are on that list.
I somewhat disagree here. I am sure they are fine with the current state of their Pixel line, but I’ve been reading about their new Fuchsia OS that they are working on to potentially replace Android. Apparently they want more control, better updates, better security, better privacy, all the things that Apple has really perfected over the years. Now I’m not sure this is necessarily going to result in major sales, but I think it’s ultimately the right move for Google if they want to control their own fate. Android is a solid OS, but it’s kind of the wild west right now and the aspects needed (in my opinion) to retain customers long term need to be addressed. Maybe a split approach could work as well. Maybe that’s the Pixel line in the future.
 

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You keep trying to change my argument. What you've done is said is that the pixels don't matter. I have disproven that using the example of the possibly superior camera. It only takes one example to disprove an absolute.

I am not arguing that every pixel sold was from an iPhone convert. Neither am I arguing that people ought to switch. I am simply arguing that Apple takes note of the competition and the Pixel has proven, at least with it's camera, that it does "matter."

If many credible sources review it as being an excellent phone with a particularly great camera, you can bet it's had a motivational effect on your beloved iPhones.

If you reply to this and it's more of the shallowness we've been getting, I'm not going to bother with it.
It’s not an objectively superior camera and you didn’t prove even 1 person bought it over the iPhone. Try again.

Your only argument is Apple might look at the Pixel camera to see if they can improve? Maybe...doesn’t mean people buy it for the camera. People don’t buy much of the Pixel period.

I have numbers on my side...you are trying to dig up anectodal stories and “features” you think make a difference. Show me data or just keep believing it. Android phones compete with Android. Show me meangingful switch data from iPhone to Pixel (you can’t) and until then, Apple dominates the high end market based on making 90% of the profit and selling 220M iPhones/yr at an ASP over $700. That’s more than any flagship phone...by far. Galaxy, Pixel (lol) Huawei, or any other scrap player. Samsung is the only real competitor. And don’t tell me how many Phones Huawei or Samsung shipped. Show me how many over $600 they shipped.
 
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Face ID technology itself doesn't warrant a notch though. Apple could have implemented Face ID into a Note9-like bezel, with no notch. They just went the route they did and now some people have a misconception that the only way a notch makes sense is with Face ID. Not true.
That’s true, but people like the minimal bezel design with a screen that stretches to all four corners and gesture control. It’s a nice experience. My guess is most would prefer the current design over the previous legacy iPhones if it weren’t for price.
 
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I somewhat disagree here. I am sure they are fine with the current state of their Pixel line, but I’ve been reading about their new Fuchsia OS that they are working on to potentially replace Android. Apparently they want more control, better updates, better security, better privacy, all the things that Apple has really perfected over the years. Now I’m not sure this is necessarily going to result in major sales, but I think it’s ultimately the right move for Google if they want to control their own fate. Android is a solid OS, but it’s kind of the wild west right now and the aspects needed (in my opinion) to retain customers long term need to be addressed. Maybe a split approach could work as well. Maybe that’s the Pixel line in the future.
IMHO This ties in with the Bloomberg article above that the poster took to mean google wants to compete with apple in sales. In the article it says google is looking for more vertical integration and wants to start building it's own hardware from the SOC up there isn't a need to do that if Android was the long term plan at google. IIRC Fuchia can replace both ChromeOS and Android and the way both Pixelbooks and Pixels boot there is potential to boot two OS's even though they currently use it so that the phone computer will boot and run if an update gets corrupted. Regardless of what happens going into the future it will be interesting to see where Google takes this and how they build out their ecosystem.
 

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The notch is necessary right now.
Only if you try and do full screen build of a mobile device
I’ll take a notch over bezels.
Good for you.
Irrelevant to the post you quoted.
Once the technology allows for the removal of the notch, it will be removed.
That's the kicker right there.
Technology was not ready for prime time without compromises.
As of now though, you don’t notice it in normal use.
Hey everyone, just wanna let you know, DNichter speaks for everyone, just in case you were wondering.
 
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I somewhat disagree here. I am sure they are fine with the current state of their Pixel line, but I’ve been reading about their new Fuchsia OS that they are working on to potentially replace Android. Apparently they want more control, better updates, better security, better privacy, all the things that Apple has really perfected over the years. Now I’m not sure this is necessarily going to result in major sales, but I think it’s ultimately the right move for Google if they want to control their own fate. Android is a solid OS, but it’s kind of the wild west right now and the aspects needed (in my opinion) to retain customers long term need to be addressed. Maybe a split approach could work as well. Maybe that’s the Pixel line in the future.
Very fair points. I agree they should have bigger long-term plans with the Pixel line and Android, but given Android's current state (it is like a wild west), there's no quick and easy solution. Thus I think, for now, they're okay with how the Pixel is currently selling.

Google has said all along they have some sort of a five-year plan, and Fuschia OS is very likely a part of that. If Samsung moves to Tizen at some point as has been rumored for a while, it's not unfathomable to think we could eventually see the death of Android.