Google's New Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL Smartphones Likely to Debut at Upcoming October 9 Event

[Cryates]

Niche ?? The Pixel is aimed at the everyday user and that is who Google is marketing them towards. Nexus phones were niche.

Eh, sales don't tell me the everyday user is that interested in it. The interest I see in the Pixel line specifically are those tech enthusiasts who yearn for the pure android experience, and the best camera. And my point wasn't that Google was targeting a niche market of users, but that the current sales and user-base indicate it lives in a niche market, whether that's Google's intention or not.

This is coming from a person who enjoys the Pixel line. I owned a Pixel 2 XL for several months.

 

[sinsin07]

Niche ?? The Pixel is aimed at the everyday user and that is who Google is marketing them towards. Nexus phones were niche.

Sight lines need adjusting.
It appears not a lot of everyday users are interested.

 

[Baymowe335]

Know which brand was a niche for decades while mainstream sheep derided it for not having the footprint of its competitors? Apple.

By the time the masses embrace something better, the next cool innovation or evolution is happening in the peripheral. According to tech prognosticators, AI is the next frontier. Apple is lagging in the area and hasn’t offered a substitute for it.
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Do you actually use your iPhone, or do you wear it on a necklace?

My iPhone is more powerful than anything Google makes. A11>Snapdragon 845
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In your dreams. There is quite a following for the Pixel range.

However, Google must sort out their update policy. They need to make a public commitment to provide updates to their phones for at least 5 years. That would put them on a par with Apple and set a standard for other Android suppliers to follow.
As people are looking to keep their phones longer these days support periods start to become important.

Oh, and Google should commit to provide upgrades as well as updates. The OS that is supposed to replace Android should be released for these devices.


As for Google selling your data to advertisers... There has to be some information exchange otherwise how would targetted advertising work unless Google itself has become an Ad Agency or is working as a de-facto extension to the Ad Agencies?
I'd love for someone to spill the beans on for targetted adverts work. I have a good idea but my understanding is based on information I got almost 9 years ago and it has no doubt moved on a lot since then.

Numbers to support your statement of “quite a following?”

Everything is relative, so I guess you mean Pixel sells a lot relative to 0? They sell <4M Pixels per year and it hurts other Android phones, not Apple.

 

[TrentS]

What is this!? Google Rumors!? ha ha


Well, it looks like Google is bumping it up a "notch".





I had to get my pun in too.....

 

[MacBH928]

It surprises me how many people opt for the Google product although they actually tell them in their face we track you and sell your data. Can you imagine this in the 90s: Hello, This is our Nokia 3330, it records your location, sms, call records, and conversation, sends it to us so we sell it to others. Buy NOW, $300 only!

Seriously, other than YouTube there are other options.

 

[Baymowe335]

Can you hear yourself talking? You have such a narrow point of view. You use absolutes and say that it has had "no effect."

Here's a link with professional and user ratings from a well-established source that shows people like the Pixel 2 XL at least as much if not more than the iPhone X. https://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/Apple-iPhone-X,Google-Pixel-2-XL/phones/10414,10568

Also, as I mentioned, the Pixel subjectively has the better camera. People buy it for the camera. I highly doubt Apple has flat out ignored their photo processing software that it has brought with it.

Also, Samsung is a great competitor, you're right! But Google has brought more of the "walled garden" that Apple has to Android. It's stock Android. Nothing else. It clearly matters.

As I said, you are naive. But I'm sure you'll come out of it eventually. Many of us used to be you. It's not that we don't like the iPhone, we just don't worship it.

That link tells me nothing...I look at what people actually buy and how much they are willing to spend.

I look at numbers. The sales of iPhone have been unaffected by the Pixel. In fact, Apple just showed you they have even more pricing power than anyone thought. Increased ASP $100/phone and still sold 1% more units than last year.

Apple crushes the competition and dominates this market. When I see the numbers weaken in the 10K, I’ll change my thesis. You can keep reading nonsense on phone arena for your information.

Did you mean to say the Pixel has “objectively” the better camera? If not, I agree the camera performance is subjective. Apple certainly has the better video performance and I’ve seen some Pixel photos look better and some iPhone X photos look better. Apple also has 2x optical zoom, which I like.

 

[358547]

This seems apropos

 

[TrentS]

Surely that video is a parody.

She takes some cliche selfies, and then they show the photographs (as if they were just taken) with a completely different wardrobe!

Then they show her waving it around like a model in Price is Right!

Finally, it’s just a blatant (poor attempt) at copying the iPhone X.

I reckon they’re just taking the micky out of the viewers. Do people seriously believe this is a real ad, and/or a real phone?

Not only are they ripping off the iPhone in many ways, but their packaging is "creepily" similar to anything that is Apple.

 

[Cryates]

Surely that video is a parody.

She takes some cliche selfies, and then they show the photographs (as if they were just taken) with a completely different wardrobe!

Then they show her waving it around like a model in Price is Right!

Finally, it’s just a blatant (poor attempt) at copying the iPhone X.

I reckon they’re just taking the micky out of the viewers. Do people seriously believe this is a real ad, and/or a real phone?

I mean, it's not an ad. It's a person who got ahold of it two months early. This wasn't a Google video.

 

[taptic]

That link tells me nothing...I look at what people actually buy and how much they are willing to spend.

I look at numbers. The sales of iPhone have been unaffected by the Pixel. In fact, Apple just showed you they have even more pricing power than anyone thought. Increased ASP $100/phone and still sold 1% more units than last year.

Apple crushes the competition and dominates this market. When I see the numbers weaken in the 10K, I’ll change my thesis. You can keep reading nonsense on phone arena for your information.

Did you mean to say the Pixel has “objectively” the better camera? If not, I agree the camera performance is subjective. Apple certainly has the better video performance and I’ve seen some Pixel photos look better and some iPhone X photos look better. Apple also has 2x optical zoom, which I like.

Quoting sales numbers does not justify your speaking in absolutes. If a single person bought the pixel over the iPhone it means it may have something to offer that the iPhone doesn't. Besides, I wasn't trying to prove it was more popular, only that it did matter.

I meant it when I said subjective, because it is. However, from what I have seen, more reviewers tend to like the pixels cameras. That's all there is to it. If well known sources like mkbhd rave about it, you can bet Apple is going to take notice.

And also, that link should tell you something. You're just choosing to ignore/discredit what you don't like.
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It doesn't have any effect.

2017 Pixel sales - 3.9m
2017 iPhone sales - 216.6m

You can see my post above.

 

[Vjosullivan]

And they won't matter as usual, particularly after everyone wants the new iPhones.

"Everyone" might want an iPhone but 90% will actually buy an Android.

 

[jonnysods]

I'm enjoying the quality of handsets that are coming out. It just keeps pushing everyone to be better. I'm not google fan, but if it wasn't an iPhone it would be a Pixel phone. I like stock android handsets.

 

[Defthand]

So what, it's still niche.
Rich niche.
Windows has more desktops.
Samsung sells more smartphones.
That Apple was or is a niche company is irrelevant to the posted response.

Dig deep.
Find any unrelated topic to support your whatever.
There is any number of areas where Apple could be lacking.
Still irrelevant to post you quoted.

Read a thread’s origin before you make uninformed comments. The poster was dismissing the Pixel based on its humble sales and called the product a niche one. The comments from Apple’s followers are not unlike those of Microsoft’s customers when Apple was humble.

 

[Jimmy James]

Since this phone’s OS is an ad platform it will be sold at a deep discount versus iPhone. Right?

 

[jimi78]

Damn, first the notch and now I hear that a pixel3 was "lost" in a Lyft. What else will google copy from the Apple playbook? Are they going to build a space ship sized headquarters now too??!

 

[lowendlinux]

Not really. The Pixel is for a niche market of users.

I've been saying this for years on this forum and everyone disagrees Google isn't trying to be Samsung or Apple.

So how much did Google pay you to write that?

I mean, this thing is probably the ugliest phone out at the moment And it certainly isn’t cheap.

Neither of those are factors when I'm looking to get a phone.

Nothing naive about it. The Pixel has had no effect on the iPhone and is largely a failed product from Google like most of their hardware. The camera is good, but it’s ugly, uses plastic and copies the iPhone. Notch, no headphone jack, gesture based OS, and even the look of the original was very iPhone.

Samsung is a much more worthy competitor. Competition is great, but the Pixel is not competition...at least to Apple.

Google doesn't really intend for the Pixel to sell well it's a platform to introduce a new OS, just like Pixelbooks. If you like them they'll sell them to you for a pretty penny but that's not the goal.

IMHO the Pixel people are just as hardcore about their choice as iPhone people. While I like seeing what the new iPhone/Samsung/HTC/Nokia/Sony have the reality is that the only phone I'm going to buy is a Pixel.

 

[skinned66]

From what I've seen from the Pixel 3s so far it appears I'll be staying with Apple this round too. The rumored new iPhones look like much better value IMO.

 

[Cryates]

I've been saying this for years on this forum and everyone disagrees Google isn't trying to be Samsung or Apple.

A lot of folks want companies to aspire to be Apple or Samsung, so they can watch them fail to be such. The reality is, Google will be just fine with making small coin on hardware. I firmly believe they aren't in it to take down the iPhone, or whatever some folks tell themselves. They'll happily welcome a small sliver of that market segment, sure, but Google should know better than anyone that competition in the market alone is healthy for the market overall.

There are several reasons for Google to design and manufacture their own hardware, but I don't believe (and I don't think Google believes) taking down Apple and it's iPhone are on that list.

 

[lowendlinux]

Everyone wants companies to aspire to be Apple or Samsung, so they can watch them fail to be such. The reality is, Google will be just fine with making small coin on hardware. I firmly believe they aren't in it to take down the iPhone, or whatever some folks tell themselves. They'll happily welcome a small sliver of that market segment, sure, but Google should know better than anyone that competition in the market alone is healthy for the market overall.

There are several reasons for Google to design and manufacture their own hardware, but I don't believe (and I don't think Google does either) taking down Apple and it's iPhone are on that list.

I agree

 

[Baymowe335]

Quoting sales numbers does not justify your speaking in absolutes. If a single person bought the pixel over the iPhone it means it may have something to offer that the iPhone doesn't. Besides, I wasn't trying to prove it was more popular, only that it did matter.

I meant it when I said subjective, because it is. However, from what I have seen, more reviewers tend to like the pixels cameras. That's all there is to it. If well known sources like mkbhd rave about it, you can bet Apple is going to take notice.

And also, that link should tell you something. You're just choosing to ignore/discredit what you don't like.
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You can see my post above.

Problem is, you have no meaningful data to show people choose Pixel over iPhone. Meanwhile, I have sales data to show Apple crushes Pixel and every other phone.

Who cares about a couple people buying Pixels over iPhone even if it’s true? The overall market has spoken. Pixel is a rounding error.
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"Everyone" might want an iPhone but 90% will actually buy an Android.

Ah yes, you mean the people that buy the sub $200 Android phones and can’t afford flagship iPhones OR Android. Break your numbers out for Flagship Android vs iPhone and come back. Don’t come at me with total market share that means mostly 0 profit.
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I've been saying this for years on this forum and everyone disagrees Google isn't trying to be Samsung or Apple.



Neither of those are factors when I'm looking to get a phone.



Google doesn't really intend for the Pixel to sell well it's a platform to introduce a new OS, just like Pixelbooks. If you like them they'll sell them to you for a pretty penny but that's not the goal.

IMHO the Pixel people are just as hardcore about their choice as iPhone people. While I like seeing what the new iPhone/Samsung/HTC/Nokia/Sony have the reality is that the only phone I'm going to buy is a Pixel.

Now you’re trying to infer Google’s intention with the Pixel? They don’t want to sell 220M phones? Of course they do...they can’t. If it’s to “show off” their OS, they’d want to show it to as many as possible.

 

[Zachari]

Why are people so against the notch - it's extra pixels you wouldn't have had otherwise. Think glass half full instead half empty.

I really have no qualms about the notch on the iPhone. But the notch on the Pixel is just plain fugly. It looks too small for the area it's in and the gap at the bottom just means they added it for the "aesthetic."

 

[sinsin07]

Read a thread’s origin before you make uninformed comments. The poster was dismissing the Pixel based on its humble sales and called the product a niche one. The comments from Apple’s followers are not unlike those of Microsoft’s customers when Apple was humble.

The thread origin is irrelevant to the response I posted.
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And they won't matter as usual, particularly after everyone wants the new iPhones.

That has nothing to do with the repsonse I gave. I am responding to this unsupported comment:

In your dreams. There is quite a following for the Pixel range. ...snip

With those Pixel numbers the whole mobile industry is dismissing the Pixel.
Currently they are a threat to no one but themselves.
If the number of Pixel sales bothers you do a better job and buy one and get your friends and family to buy one.
If you have a problem with comments from Apple followers, you need to deal with that own your own and don't lump me in with it.

And in the future take your own advice and learn to follow a thread.

 

[satchmo]

Not really. The Pixel is for a niche market of users.

I'm curious what kind of numbers these Pixel phones sell.
Certainly no where near iPhone quantities, but I'm thinking it must be a decent seller.

 

[Cryates]

I'm curious what kind of numbers these Pixel phones sell.
Certainly no where near iPhone quantities, but I'm thinking it must be a decent seller.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17007104/google-pixel-total-sales-idc-statistics

In the 16 months since its initial release in October 2016, Google’s Pixel family of phones has earned plenty of acclaim and scrutiny, but not very many sales. The latest update on Pixel sales comes from IDC’s Francisco Jeronimo, who notes that Google shipped 3.9 million Pixel and Pixel 2 devices in 2017. That’s no more than a rounding error when set against the global smartphone market that numbers 1.5 billion units, and it’s also less than a typical week’s worth of iPhone sales for Apple.

 

[macduke]

They won't. I like the fact that after being accused of copying iPhone years ago, they found their own path. While everyone else is copying iPhone.
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What headphone jack?

Ah, forgot. The one ancestors used while ago.....
I can't believe they used to have wires going across their body straight to their ears! They most have looked really weird

I think it's inevitable. The tech to put this stuff under the display isn't there yet. Perhaps you could miniturize the tech into a really, really thin bezel? But that is probably years away still. What are they going to do in the meantime—look more outdated? I guess they are supposedly working on a foldable smartphone. I'd really love to see them kick Apple's butt with that one and push them to innovate more, but it will likely be pretty gimmicky at first.