Google's New Pixel 3 and Pixel 3 XL Smartphones Likely to Debut at Upcoming October 9 Event

[lowendlinux]

Very fair points. I agree they should have bigger long-term plans with the Pixel line and Android, but given Android's current state (it is like a wild west), there's no quick and easy solution. Thus I think, for now, they're okay with how the Pixel is currently selling.

Google has said all along they have some sort of a five-year plan, and Fuschia OS is very likely a part of that. If Samsung moves to Tizen at some point as has been rumored for a while, it's not unfathomable to think we could eventually see the death of Android.

The problem for me is I want google exerting less control not more and if sammy gets Tizen into the mainstream you know it's going to be tightly controlled. I also hope if google abandons Android Canonical or Red Hat continues it's development I could see it fitting in well with either company.

 

[DNichter]

Only if you try and do full screen build of a mobile device

Good for you.
Irrelevant to the post you quoted.

That's the kicker right there.
Technology was not ready for prime time without compromises.

Hey everyone, just wanna let you know, DNichter speaks for everyone, just in case you were wondering.

It always seems to go from a normal conversation to childish crap so quickly on this site. The tech is great as is, just because it can’t be hidden behind a screen doesn’t mean it’s not ready for prime time. Apparently there are millions of other customers (iOS and Android) that agree with me. Totally fine for you to disagree.
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Very fair points. I agree they should have bigger long-term plans with the Pixel line and Android, but given Android's current state (it is like a wild west), there's no quick and easy solution. Thus I think, for now, they're okay with how the Pixel is currently selling.

Google has said all along they have some sort of a five-year plan, and Fuschia OS is very likely a part of that. If Samsung moves to Tizen at some point as has been rumored for a while, it's not unfathomable to think we could eventually see the death of Android.

Makes sense. It will definitely be a long road to get where they want to go. I like the Pixel line for the most part, a pure Android experience is the only one that appeals to me. If they do look to integrate more vertically, I think they could attract some Apple customers like myself.

 

[Baymowe335]

Only if you try and do full screen build of a mobile device

Good for you.
Irrelevant to the post you quoted.

That's the kicker right there.
Technology was not ready for prime time without compromises.

Hey everyone, just wanna let you know, DNichter speaks for everyone, just in case you were wondering.

It was ready for prime time for me and millions of others that chose iPhone X more than any other phone is Apples lineup and the #1 phone in China.

I freaking love FaceID and the iPhone X tech and I’m glad they didn’t wait to release it until they could hide it. Owners of the X aren’t lamenting the notch..it’s extra space rather than a full forehead. I love it. When the notch goes away, I’ll like it too but tech is always a work in progress and I’d like to benefit before it’s “perfect” because it never is.

 

[sinsin07]

It always seems to go from a normal conversation to childish crap so quickly on this site. The tech is great as is, just because it can’t be hidden behind a screen doesn’t mean it’s not ready for prime time. Apparently there are millions of other customers (iOS and Android) that agree with me. Totally fine for you to disagree.

The childishness comes in your absolute statements and constant need to defend what is considered a contentious development.
It wasn't necessary to involve yourself in my post, it didn't affect you, yet right on cue there you are as usually with a blindly defensive post internalized to you.

 

[Baymowe335]

The childishness comes in your absolute statements and constant need to defend what is considered a contentious development.
It wasn't necessary to involve yourself in my post, it didn't affect you, yet right on cue there you are as usually with a blindly defensive post internalized to you.

You said tech wasn’t ready for prime time...that’s your opinion and many disagreed and voted with their wallets. It’s like saying 1080P was inferior because 4K is around the corner. Tech always improves so you have to balance utility with optics. FaceID is incredibly useful to me and the optics of a notch are inconsequential to me and many others. If you don’t like it, Vote with your wallet. Based on results, the public agreed the tech was ready.

 

[tf_dc]

That’s true. And the things the software does with that power are significant and unrivaled. Not.

Nearly nothing to add. What the sense in all that power running these locked down crippled OSes. My mid-range desktop of the year 2000 was times and times less "powerful" than any of my current phones. Yet it coud run three virtual machines with different OSes and a network for them. An iPhone can show emojis and run games from their "very secure" shop that attempt to collect more personal information than an average bank does nowadays. Kewl progress. Not buying any phones this autumn. And next autumn will see, if anyone comes with a really decent platform.

 

[fourthtunz]

And they won't matter as usual, particularly after everyone wants the new iPhones.

Exactly! And why would I want a google or samsung copy when I can buy the real thing!

 

[sinsin07]

It was ready for prime time for me and millions of others that chose iPhone X more than any other phone is Apples lineup

Like I posted earlier which started Dnitcher's reponse to me, if the notch is ever removed will there be an outcry to return it...

and the #1 phone in China.

Sorry, can't find any links that support that claim.
Would be happy to read anything you have on that.

I freaking love FaceID and the iPhone X tech and I’m glad they didn’t wait to release it until they could hide it.

Can't argue against a users subjective impressions. Happy for ya.

Owners of the X aren’t lamenting the notch..it’s extra space rather than a full forehead.

Sorry, that would be an absolute.
There are posters here on these boards who are X owners and dislike the notch and FaceID.
There have been posters here who have claimed they returned the X due to FaceID.
Surprised you haven't seen there post, there have some this week.

When the notch goes away, I’ll like it too but tech is always a work in progress and I’d like to benefit before it’s “perfect” because it never is.

That comments goes against the grain of many opinions about products being released half baked and makes no sense.
"When the notch goes away"....sounds like FaceID implemented before a more elegant technology solution could be implemented.
Apparently this time around Apple has other plans for iOS 12, so it's not another iOS 11, '"a work in progress".

Personally I had no issues with iOS 11 on any of my 5 devices.
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You said tech wasn’t ready for prime time...that’s your opinion and many disagreed and voted with their wallets. It’s like saying 1080P was inferior because 4K is around the corner. Tech always improves so you have to balance utility with optics. FaceID is incredibly useful to me and the optics of a notch are inconsequential to me and many others. If you don’t like it, Vote with your wallet. Based on results, the public agreed the tech was ready.

Yeah you are right I did say that.
However your response as nothing to do with the post you recently quoted.
However I failed.
I do my best not to offer opinions.
Just facts.
My bad on the opinion.

 

[amaze1499]

Curious, what phone are you currently using?

First it was thick bezels, now it's the notch. Would a tear drop suffice?

A tear drop will do just fine.

 

[Baymowe335]

Like I posted earlier which started Dnitcher's reponse to me, if the notch is ever removed will there be an outcry to return it...

Sorry, can't find any links that support that claim.
Would be happy to read anything you have on that.

Can't argue against a users subjective impressions. Happy for ya.

Sorry, that would be an absolute.
There are posters here on these boards who are X owners and dislike the notch and FaceID.
There have been posters here who have claimed they returned the X due to FaceID.
Surprised you haven't seen there post, there have some this week.

That comments goes against the grain of many opinions about products being released half baked and makes no sense.
"When the notch goes away"....sounds like FaceID implemented before a more elegant technology solution could be implemented.
Apparently this time around Apple has other plans for iOS 12, so it's not another iOS 11, '"a work in progress".

Personally I had no issues with iOS 11 on any of my 5 devices.
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Yeah you are right I did say that.
However your response as nothing to do with the post you recently quoted.
However I failed.
I do my best not to offer opinions.
Just facts.
My bad on the opinion.

Sure, there are anectodal examples or people returning the X, like any product. I’m basing my info on the ASP, sales data, and Cook’s comments on earnings calls...which he can’t make up.

On the China comment:

On the company's earnings call, CEO Tim Cook said that iPhone X, the company's newest model, "was the most popular smartphone in all of China last quarter."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...r-in-china-sending-revenue-up-21-percent.html

There doesn’t need to be outcry to bring it back...we just like the features of the X enough to want the tech before it’s completely finished because no tech is ever finished, including the FaceID that will be under the screen.

 

[Swift]

Will Apple sue everyone for violating trade dress with their notches?

Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs.
[doublepost=1536347664][/doublepost]Google's Android is pretty well irrelevant to me. If I got any of their handsets, it would screw up the iMac/AppleTV/iPhone/iPad thing, that works just fine. It might be interesting, but only tech journalists and wealthy nuts do both.

In all the publicity about the Google phone, the fact that they sell about 12 of them each year -- okay, what, a million? (snickers) -- never seems to make its way into the story. Yet it completely summarizes the reality. Why so few? Oh, it's a good phone. But nobody buys it. I still don't actually know where you buy one. The networks don't sell it. They want free phones, or $100 phones. That's what the great bulk of Android phones are. And they're not going to be updated. Only the very premium Androids are, and then the Google phone. GOOGLE ISN'T IN THE PHONE BUSINESS. The Google Pixel is "a hobby", to showcase what Android could do if anybody would work at it like Apple does. If it was being made by somebody in the phone business, which it's not. From Android, they get more user data and clicks. The end.

 

[macduke]

Why is it inevitable? I think Samsung is perfectly content with waiting out the tech and utilizing what are still slim bezels in the meantime. Just because you want to see it happen doesn't mean it will happen.

Because they will be the only company with these thicker bezels and they won't want to look behind everyone else. It's extra pixels. Sure it would be great if there were even more pixels, but for now we get more space for the status bar and therefore more display area below. Nobody prefers the notch to a truly bezeless display, but once you use a notch you realize you're just getting extra space and you don't even really notice it unless you use video zoom. Also, have you ever seen Samsung's design history? It's inevitable that they copy the iPhone design at every turn because they always do. I would be more surprised if they don't.

 

[Defthand]

You have not shown that because the Pixel has an objectively better camera than the iPhone, it matters to Apple.
Just because you say it doesn't make it so.
Since 2011 Samsung has had a mobile phone in it's lineup with a built in stylus.
It too has gotten good reviews.
How has that mattered to Apple?

Is Apple selling a ton of mobile devices with an objectively inferior camera? : Yes
Is Google selling a ton of Pixels with a highly rated camera? : No

The Pixel doesn’t have a better camera. It has better algorithms that do more post processing with the HDR image data it captures. Google is demonstrating its software prowess and achieving that which Apple depends on hardware to do.

The Pixel is about software. According to Gizmodo, it is Google’s concept phone—much like Apple’s X is Apple’s self-described concept phone. Gizmodo says the Pixel demonstrates Google’s AI abilities and tests the waters for a pure Google ecosystem, not unlike Apple’s walled garden.

Is Apple threatened? No one is claiming that. But clearly you and others are personally perturbed that anyone would be dissatisfied with Apple’s offerings.

 

[spacemnspiff]

Face ID technology itself doesn't warrant a notch though. Apple could have implemented Face ID into a Note9-like bezel, with no notch. They just went the route they did and now some people have a misconception that the only way a notch makes sense is with Face ID. Not true.

I guess the sarcasm didn't translate over, I agree with you. More screen real estate is the only reason for the notch to house the components that need to go in the space.

But Google still using fingerprint authentication, way behind times. But then Google is not a hardware company, they have no say in hardware, just borrow what sourced hardware vendors can provide.

"Everyone" doesn't want the new iPhones.

Thanks for painting yourself into a corner, here is the counter, 'everyone' wants an iPhone but cannot afford one, hence Android.

 

[sinsin07]

Pixel doesn’t have a better camera. It has better algorithms that do more post processing with the HDR image data it captures. Google is demonstrating its software prowess and achieving that which Apple depends on hardware to do.

Ok thx for clarification. I said better camera because you mentioned “superior camera” in your post number 138.
Perhaps you should clean that up.
Next time I’ll do my own research.

The Pixel is about software. According to Gizmodo, it is Google’s concept phone—much like Apple’s X is Apple’s self-described concept phone. Gizmodo says the Pixel demonstrates Google’s AI abilities and tests the waters for a pure Google ecosystem, not unlike Apple’s walled garden.

Is Apple threatened? No one is claiming that. But clearly you and others are personally perturbed that anyone would be dissatisfied with Apple’s offerings.

The link in post 136 shows a different outlook than both you and Gizmodo postulate.

 

[s15119]

Leader? Oppo removed the headphone jack in 2012. Their version sucked and didnt take off. But then another company did a USBtype C phone with no headphone jack.


Then Motorola with the MotoZ was also before apple.

So Apple, claiming to the be leader after others start the process.

because they, as usual, did it so it worked right and sold in large numbers.

ignore is such a wonderful function on this board. Have a nice life.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Why are people so against the notch - it's extra pixels you wouldn't have had otherwise. Think glass half full instead half empty.

Not against the notch on the iPhone X because it’s necessry to hold all the sensors for Face ID. However on android they don’t need such a big notch as they don’t have anything like Face ID. The essential had a neat acceptable notch. The rest are just copying Apple. It’s not like a notch is needed look at Samsung’s phones, near bezelsss and no notch.
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Exactly! And why would I want a google or samsung copy when I can buy the real thing!

Not sure how the note 9 is an iPhone copy.
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Tim Cook is not Steve Jobs.
[doublepost=1536347664][/doublepost]Google's Android is pretty well irrelevant to me. If I got any of their handsets, it would screw up the iMac/AppleTV/iPhone/iPad thing, that works just fine. It might be interesting, but only tech journalists and wealthy nuts do both.

In all the publicity about the Google phone, the fact that they sell about 12 of them each year -- okay, what, a million? (snickers) -- never seems to make its way into the story. Yet it completely summarizes the reality. Why so few? Oh, it's a good phone. But nobody buys it. I still don't actually know where you buy one. The networks don't sell it. They want free phones, or $100 phones. That's what the great bulk of Android phones are. And they're not going to be updated. Only the very premium Androids are, and then the Google phone. GOOGLE ISN'T IN THE PHONE BUSINESS. The Google Pixel is "a hobby", to showcase what Android could do if anybody would work at it like Apple does. If it was being made by somebody in the phone business, which it's not. From Android, they get more user data and clicks. The end.

I disagree. The nexus line was experimental and just there to showcase stock android phones for developers. However the pixel line of products are marketed as premium devices with premium prices and they are trying to build up an ecosystem of devices. Also buying a massive stake in HTC signals their intent imo.
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because they, as usual, did it so it worked right and sold in large numbers.

ignore is such a wonderful function on this board. Have a nice life.

I don’t think there is a right way to remove something. You just remove it. Apple just have the influence and a large enough user base to push a change forward. There’s nothing special about removing a function.
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Face ID technology itself doesn't warrant a notch though. Apple could have implemented Face ID into a Note9-like bezel, with no notch. They just went the route they did and now some people have a misconception that the only way a notch makes sense is with Face ID. Not true.

It’s excusable because of Face ID. However Samsung’s alternative is a good way to go too.
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@ everyone talking about Pixel phone sales:

Google isn't really concerned with the 4 million Pixel phones they sell every year. As many say... it's a rounding error.

Google's real endgame is the billion phones sold every year that are running their Android software.

Or to say it another way: Pixel phones are Google's hobby... while advertising/software is their actual business.

I think 4 million is too generous but I didn’t think they care at the moment as hardware has never been their main business.

 

[Michael Goff]

Not against the notch on the iPhone X because it’s necessry to hold all the sensors for Face ID. However on android they don’t need such a big notch as they don’t have anything like Face ID. The essential had a neat acceptable notch. The rest are just copying Apple. It’s not like a notch is needed look at Samsung’s phones, near bezelsss and no notch.
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Not sure how the note 9 is an iPhone copy.
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I disagree. The nexus line was experimental and just there to showcase stock android phones for developers. However the pixel line of products are marketed as premium devices with premium prices and they are trying to build up an ecosystem of devices. Also buying a massive stake in HTC signals their intent imo.
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I don’t think there is a right way to remove something. You just remove it. Apple just have the influence and a large enough user base to push a change forward. There’s nothing special about removing a function.
[doublepost=1536351668][/doublepost]
It’s excusable because of Face ID. However Samsung’s alternative is a good way to go too.
[doublepost=1536351784][/doublepost]
I think 4 million is too generous but I didn’t think they care at the moment as hardware has never been their main business.

Not that generous.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17007104/google-pixel-total-sales-idc-statistics

 

[Shanghaichica]

Not that generous.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/13/17007104/google-pixel-total-sales-idc-statistics

That’s a lot more than the last count and quite good considering it’s only available in a limited number of markets.

I guess it’s more than purists and you tubers buying the pixel now.

 

[Michael Goff]

That’s a lot more than the last count and quite good considering it’s only available in a limited number of markets.

I guess it’s more than purists and you tubers buying the pixel now.

Yeah, imagine if they sold in as many countries as the others. They might break 10m. :O

 

[Gilligan's last elephant]

On the China comment:

On the company's earnings call, CEO Tim Cook said that iPhone X, the company's newest model, "was the most popular smartphone in all of China last quarter."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...r-in-china-sending-revenue-up-21-percent.html

You do realize that stating "iPhone was most popular" means nothing, without stating the context. It could be most popular by sales or Internet chatter as two examples. Why not just state "..sold more than any other model" if it was sales. The way Cook carefully always referred to iPhoneX sales relative to other individual iPhone models.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Yeah, imagine if they sold in as many countries as the others. They might break 10m. :O

In the UK it’s only available on one carrier which is ridiculous. Despite the way this one looks I’m still interested to see what software features it brings this year. Along with Samsung they are the only other android OEM I’d consider buying from.

The pixel line is nice even if the phones aren’t as good hardware wise as Samsung phones imo but they do have some features you can’t get on other phones.

 

[Michael Goff]

In the UK it’s only available on one carrier which is ridiculous. Despite the way this one looks I’m still interested to see what software features it brings this year. Along with Samsung they are the only other android OEM I’d consider buying from.

The pixel line is nice even if the phones aren’t as good hardware wise as Samsung phones imo but they do have some features you can’t get on other phones.

As long as you're willing to fork over everything to Google, the phone has some nice features. Agreed.

 

[Baymowe335]

You do realize that stating "iPhone was most popular" means nothing, without stating the context. It could be most popular by sales or Internet chatter as two examples. Why not just state "..sold more than any other model" if it was sales. The way Cook carefully always referred to iPhoneX sales relative to other individual iPhone models.

Lol, no. Listen to the calls...he’s clearly talking about units. You need the entire context of the call and it’s obvious. Anyway, I’m not arguing with people on this nonsense.

The iPhone X was successful because it’s obvious in the numbers, which need no context. Apple increased ASP to almost $800 and grew iPhone sales revenue in high double digits. iPhone X.

Another quote. Poke holes in this one, lol.

"Customers chose iPhone X more than any other iPhone each week in the March quarter, just as they did following its launch in the December quarter. We also grew revenue in all of our geographic segments, with over 20% growth in Greater China and Japan."

 

[Shanghaichica]

As long as you're willing to fork over everything to Google, the phone has some nice features. Agreed.

I think google get everything if you use an android phone anyway. I use their services on my iPhone and I’ve owned android phones in the past so I’d say they already have my information.