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Apple was the first to make iOS and the modern smartphone, period. Android at its core is still a copied product.

Everything I said is true. No one cares if some no name Android phone didn’t have a headphone jack. Apple led the change because they own the market.

Apple’s strategy is working and they are the best company in the world. 2X the profit of the second most profitable. Apple just keeps winning.
Android has always been a poor imitation, low rent iPhone. Everything about Android is just that much cheaper and poorly implemented. The so-called “features” of Android remind me of using a Swiss Army knife to eat a steak dinner. Not elegant, not focused, functional in many respects, but fundamentally not as good as a steak knife. Android has always tried to compensate for its inadequacy by throwing any and every useless feature at the wall in a desperate attempt to get something to “stick”. So yeah, it has features. But Apple has an editing team, that’s the difference.
 
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Apple is NOT the reason that the headphone jack is being removed, not was it the first to do so, nor first to have a notch.
I never said Apple was the first to remove the headphone jack.

That said, @falainber makes no sense with his argument either. Even if wireless technology had improved to the point where bluetooth headphones were deemed good enough, what exactly did these handphone companies have to gain from removing the headphone jack, when many of them don't even sell their own headphones?

The cynic can at least accuse Apple of removing the headphone jack to sell their own line of AirPods and beats headphones. But what does a company like HTC get out of dropping the headphone jack, where they lose an additional point of differentiation from the competition, and don't even sell accessories to profit from this? You don't even save that much from leaving out the headphone jack to begin with.

How easy would it be for these companies to just leave in the jack and use it as an extra marketing point over the iPhone? Yet they chose to jump in with Apple. Do you think they really subscribe to Apple's vision of a wireless future?

Same thing with the notch. Huawei flat out admitted as much.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...-arguments-over-notch-and-color/#1ded48df3df5

According to Li, Huawei actually thought of the notch idea “three to four years ago,” but the company didn’t go with it out of concern that consumers wouldn’t accept it.

Li gave Apple credit too. In fact, he used the C word: “[Apple] using the notch was courage,” he said.

Nobody dared to implement the notch until Apple did it and made the design acceptable to users.

That is the power of Apple.

And for the millionth time, who cares about finances. (Pretty sure you have heard me say this at least a million times). There is no need to keep defending a company that doesn't care about you as individuals. Do you think Apple is going to give you a discount for constantly saying how profitable they are? If anything, it just means that they are milking their sheep.

Why is it so hard for you to believe that I speak up about Apple when I genuinely see merit in what they are doing, even when there is zero benefit to myself?

I buy Apple products because they work great for me. Would I voluntarily use my own money to set up an Apple TV in my classroom, and use my iPad in conjunction with it every day at work, much less spend a small fortune on apps, if they didn't? Would I punish myself by using AirPods every day to listen to music and podcasts if they weren't the best headphones for me, while my three other pairs collect dust on the shelf? Same with my Apple Watch.

As do millions and millions of other consumers, and Apple's profits is proof of this. This shows that for all their missteps, Apple is nevertheless doing many things right. Things that regrettably aren't getting enough recognition because the recent pessimism over the state of the Mac appears to have sucked all the oxygen out of the room, but it is what it is, I suppose.
 
I don't think the regular joe did give a flying monkey about the 3.5mm jack (I mean the super majority of people, the ones who are not obsessed with tech rumors and news)

That was my point. Despite the fuss in the media, people didn't mind losing the 3.5mm jack because there's no real loss of convenience - you can use AirPods (like I do) or Bluetooth, but you can also still plug in headphones or other speakers if you need to via Lightning or the Lighting to 3.5mm adapter. You're not losing anything.

But removing a charging port is a very different thing because there's a significant loss of flexibility/convenience unless battery life is vastly improved. I don't see what's more convenient about a phone with only wireless charging vs a phone that has both wireless and wired charging, like iPhone 8/X. Here were my follow-up posts:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ctor-on-iphone-x.2124205/page-2#post-26174939

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ctor-on-iphone-x.2124205/page-3#post-26174992

There are just too many cases where not having any option to do wired charging would be a significant loss of convenience and functionality (you also lose the ability to do Lightning to 3.5mm audio) - that wasn't the case with the removal of the 3.5mm jack.
 
Apple usually isn’t the first, but they end up being the ones to define the industry trend moving forward because of their clout and influence.

The first modern smartphone I know of to remove the headphone jack would be the Oppo R5. Would you say that today’s phone companies are removing their headphone jacks because Oppo did it first, or because Apple did it and everyone saw that they were getting away with it?

Same for the notch. True, the essential phone had it first but again, do you really think smartphone companies got the “courage” to adopt the notch from Essential or from Apple?
LoL so Apple's biggest merit is that it's a popular brand and that's about it.
 
Just pull down the control and put in do not disturb. At night it switches on automatically by my configuration. Don’t do it that often actively. Personally I find it more annoying when inadvertedly the switch changes while putting or taking it out of my pocket ...
Not very quick when you accidentally start to make noise in a quiet room
 
LoL so Apple's biggest merit is that it's a popular brand and that's about it.
How else do you think Apple can get away with stunts like removing ports or blocking flash? Steve Jobs even went so far as to say that customers pay Apple to make the hard decisions for them so that they didn't have to. This is why Apple is so successful - because they own the best customers.

Apple being Apple, enjoys a certain reputation in the industry. People may not always like or appreciate or understand everything that Apple does, but there is this implicit trust that there is a legitimate reason to everything that Apple does, and that it will all work out for the better.
 
How else do you think Apple can get away with stunts like removing ports or blocking flash? Steve Jobs even went so far as to say that customers pay Apple to make the hard decisions for them so that they didn't have to. This is why Apple is so successful - because they own the best customers.

Apple being Apple, enjoys a certain reputation in the industry. People may not always like or appreciate or understand everything that Apple does, but there is this implicit trust that there is a legitimate reason to everything that Apple does, and that it will all work out for the better.

To me it's just amusing that it's used as an excuse to denigrate or vilify anything Android related.
 
I dont mind if they switch to USB-C (even though it'll be a PITA!) but if they remove all ports itll make the phone significantly less useful. I occasionally use ethernet adaptor, usb ports, SD card readers, midi interface on my iphone and iPad..

Only way I can see it working is if they remove it on the SE-level cheaper phones and have an iPhone Pro that retains ports. People do use these devices for a range of *stuff* outside games/social media/browsing, and apple traditionally cater well for that stuff, but jeez this would be a massive headache and would require taking whole new peaces of hardware on trips when a couple of tiny dongles currently do the job.

Also wireless charging isn't as convenient a lot of the time, I cant see a single upside to removing all the ports, it's mental.
 
Shame they didn't do it.

Would have loved to have seen the internet go into meltdown again.
 
That's great and all, but how are you going to charge the phone in your car? Or at the airport? This is a design edict disconnected from the real world. Time to leave the glass bubble, Jonny.
The same way you would charge it at home, you plug the charger into the power source and then put the phone on top of the charger. How are you charging an Apple Watch in a car or at the airport?

(I'm not advocating for the removal of the Lightning port, just that for charging it wouldn't create insurmountable problems. Even most data transfer works fine via WiFi, heck most people probably download OS updates that weigh a GB or so over-the-air. There are downsides, slower maximum charging speed, mostly no solid connection during charging, need for new chargers. But the biggest downside I see is for troubleshooting. Updating the Apple Watch and troubleshooting it is more complex due to it lacking a wired connection.)
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So all our brand new cars that still have wired CarPlay will be obsolete? They sure as hell better provide an adapter for that!
Was there a 30-Pin to Lightning adaptor?
 
Well they removed the headphone jack years before an equivalent wireless solution existed, why not take away the power and sync cable too. Then all the ear pod wearers can tell us all how much they love waiting 4 days for their phone to charge because it means there are no wires.
 
That's great and all, but how are you going to charge the phone in your car? Or at the airport? This is a design edict disconnected from the real world. Time to leave the glass bubble, Jonny.

Cradles that have charging in the back of them. Airports that have desks you can sit your phone on, or packs That clip to the to the back while you use it.

Your thinking of the transitionional phase and not the end result. Think of all the frayed no longer needed and all the charging ports no longer loose or broken.
 
I'm still upset about them removing the 3.5mm audio jack.

Quit making things difficult for the consumer!
They _have_ made it simple. I no longer buy Apple phones or laptops. And yeah, I get it, I'm only one person ... at least so far, I still buy iMacs and iPads.
 
I never said Apple was the first to remove the headphone jack.

That said, @falainber makes no sense with his argument either. Even if wireless technology had improved to the point where bluetooth headphones were deemed good enough, what exactly did these handphone companies have to gain from removing the headphone jack, when many of them don't even sell their own headphones?

The cynic can at least accuse Apple of removing the headphone jack to sell their own line of AirPods and beats headphones. But what does a company like HTC get out of dropping the headphone jack, where they lose an additional point of differentiation from the competition, and don't even sell accessories to profit from this? You don't even save that much from leaving out the headphone jack to begin with.
I am assuming you are referring to the HTC U11? They ditched the headphone jack, but included an adapter, free headphones, that are noise cancelling at that. They can be tuned with different profiles and what not. Much better solution to what Apple does.
http://www.businessinsider.com/htc-u11-life-headphone-jack-usb-c-noise-canceling-headphones-2017-11

How easy would it be for these companies to just leave in the jack and use it as an extra marketing point over the iPhone? Yet they chose to jump in with Apple. Do you think they really subscribe to Apple's vision of a wireless future?

Same thing with the notch. Huawei flat out admitted as much.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin...-arguments-over-notch-and-color/#1ded48df3df5



Nobody dared to implement the notch until Apple did it and made the design acceptable to users.

That is the power of Apple.
You do know that Huawei's headquarters are located in China, right? Chinese have always mimicked just about any and everything. Samsung has been pretty blatant about keeping the headphone jack as matter a fact. How are you so blind to the fact that Apple is NOT the first company with a notch in the display? You said that Apple wasn't the first to remove the headphone jack, yet are blind to the fact that they were NOT the first to have some sort of notch/cutout in the display.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that I speak up about Apple when I genuinely see merit in what they are doing, even when there is zero benefit to myself?

I buy Apple products because they work great for me. Would I voluntarily use my own money to set up an Apple TV in my classroom, and use my iPad in conjunction with it every day at work, much less spend a small fortune on apps, if they didn't? Would I punish myself by using AirPods every day to listen to music and podcasts if they weren't the best headphones for me, while my three other pairs collect dust on the shelf? Same with my Apple Watch.

As do millions and millions of other consumers, and Apple's profits is proof of this. This shows that for all their missteps, Apple is nevertheless doing many things right. Things that regrettably aren't getting enough recognition because the recent pessimism over the state of the Mac appears to have sucked all the oxygen out of the room, but it is what it is, I suppose.
It is fine that you think everything that Apple makes is better than everything else. That is your opinion. But at the end of the day, everything you named can be done, and arguably better and then some, with other devices/brands. The ones who let Apple think for them, are the reason why Apple gets away with shoody customer service, no upgrades on the Mac side, buggy software with security vulnerabilities, etc. Apple could sell bottled water, and some would claim that the $1000 16.9 fl oz water, is the BEST water they have ever tasted.
 
I’m still mad they took away the headphone jack, take away the lightning port and it will be years until I buy another iPhone. I’ll keep my 6s Plus until it no longer functions. Wireless charging and wireless data transfer are not good enough yet. And even though Bluetooth headphones are convenient, their sound and voice quality are still not as good as a pair of $20 wired Sony headphones.

Wireless future is still years away.
The 6S / 6S+ is a good phone. Mine is still working just fine, and I'll probably put a new battery in it next year. Perhaps in a couple of years Apple will come out with a portless, wireless device worth the Apple tax.
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What data do you have on that? Rest assured, Apple was right about removing the headphone jack and they’ll be right if they remove the lightning port. (See sales)

Yeah, Apple will remove the jack and give you no ability to use your phone or fail make other advancements to render it irrelevant.
Just imagine how much better their sales would be if they still incorporated a headphone jack? The people who still buy them don't care about listening to music with high quality wired headphones. Apple's choices with both iPhones and Macs the last several years have lost them a significant number of long time customers. They (and people like you) don't care - neither do their lost customers. Too many fish in the sea to stick with a fickle anorexic fish.
 
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If they had a small magnetic snap-on charging puck I guess it would work, but having to transfer everything wirelessly would be a pain
 
Well they removed the headphone jack years before an equivalent wireless solution existed.
The past tense in 'existed' indicates that one exists now. Is that a correct reading?
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Just imagine how much better their sales would be if they still incorporated a headphone jack? The people who still buy them don't care about listening to music with high quality wired headphones.
If people put off buying new iPhones because they cannot stand the aesthetics of having a Lightning to 3.5 mm adaptor at the end of the headphone cable, they are even more design-obscessed than Apple.

I'm not sure what to call people that act as if using conventional wired headphones on the iPhone 7 and later is impossible or a very unpleasant experience.
 
Thank god they didn’t do that, I still like restoring as new through itunes

I use my Mac as my iPhone backup. I tend to uh, "download" movies and TV shows and put them on my phone when I travel. Plus, for some odd reason, I just don't trust having my iPhone storage in only one place. My Mac also backs itself up to an external drive so I feel double safe.
 
Well they removed the headphone jack years before an equivalent wireless solution existed, why not take away the power and sync cable too. Then all the ear pod wearers can tell us all how much they love waiting 4 days for their phone to charge because it means there are no wires.
Qi chargers charge the iPhone 8 and X about as fast (or even faster) than the wired charger shipping with the iPhone. And the fastest Qi chargers on other phones charge about as fast as the fastest wired charger on the iPhone.

So your polemic that wireless charging in future iPhone would take longer than current wired iPhone charging is about as far from the truth as possible.
 
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