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I'm wondering what all the people with a 27'' Intel iMac are going to do now that the 2017 model can't be updated to Sonoma. I doubt that most of them would be happy with a 24'' iMac. I guess macMini or Studio and a larger display as it does not look as if there is going to be a new 27'' iMac in the lineup.
Thinking the same thing.. My 2019 27" is next. Can't think I would ever opt for a 24". Praying a 27" is available soon.
 
does this Mr Kuo person make any money blabbing about  info?
I did not think so...

anyways
That iMac blue would look great with my blue iPad, blue iPhone and blue desk pad, chair and walls.
and that blue iPad stand by Satachi!

remember when these iMac colors were not available but accounted?
ho many jokes about white bezels did we make then?
now they seem great due to the m1 processor succeeding!
 
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IF it's only an iMac update and an M2 iMac update at that - they'll probably ship the 18 month old processor with the same base memory/ssd space as prior models - or 8/256. If they do that, they'll deserve to be harshly criticized.

Given Apple's desire to decrease their carbon footprint - wouldn't their supply chain be longer/slower and easier to track as goods are made and shipped to the US? Or might changes in that process allow them to be more clandestine and hide their finished product pipeline from prying eyes?
 
People here really need reading comprehension classes.

Kuo said no M3 Macs this year... Gurman is also saying no M3 devices.
But new M2 Macs - yes.
Actually Kuo said:

There are no new products in 4Q23.

 
That back and forth of rumors is how Apple catches leakers.

Give certain people specific info such as "no new Macs for 2023" and narrow down who is snitching. Smart.
 
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Perhaps M2 Pro in the MBP 13.

Slight GPU or clock increases across the M2 Pro/Max family. Higher nits?
 
In Kuo's note linked above, it says:
"There are no new products in 4Q23, and MacBook shipment momentum will be significantly lower than in past peak seasons. The key to no new products is that Apple needs to clear inventory and reformulate new product and marketing strategies for 2024."
That to me sounds like the newer MacBooks may be available they are just holding them back. If so, they could change their mind if circumstances change... Maybe they need some new revenue forecast for that November conference call, or inventories cleared more quickly than expected.
 
there will be a 27inch, they have the figures,
Yup.
They do have the figures.

...and based on those figures they dropped the 27" iMac in 2022 on the same day they introduced the Mac Studio and Studio Display.

they are used everywhere in productive circles.

Now, was that because those customers like iMacs or was it because from ~2017 to 2022* there was no viable Mac "separates" system in the ~$2000-$4000 price range so many people were "forced" to buy iMacs? Impossible to tell from anecdotal evidence on this forum. Personally, I only bought an iMac in 2017 because it was that or Hackintosh and far prefer being able to choose my own displays with the Studio.

In other news:
  • The 24" iMac is far better in most respects than the old 21.5" and will have satisfied some lower-end 27" iMac users' needs and is probably perfect for things like school computer labs (where they haven't switched to Chromebook...).
  • Intel iMacs used to offer significantly faster desktop-class processors than MacBook Pros. That ended with Apple Silicon, so MacBook Pro + large screen is a far more flexible option for many.
  • YMMV over how many, but a lot of higher end iMac users will have bought Studio systems which - even with a Studio Display added - are actually competitive with the top-end 2020 iMacs and iMac Pro.
  • Plus, there's a general trend away from desktops to laptops anyway. Flexible working and all that.
So while I can't prove whether or not 'the new 27" iMac is almost certainly coming' there are plenty of reasons to believe that the potential market may have been decimated by other developments. Last time the analysts predicted it - in 2022 - it was pretty obvious that they'd seen leaks of the Studio Display. This time round - well, a new Pro XDR is probably due at some stage, which would be almost indistinguishable via leaks.

Some people are talking about a 32" iMac - Apple currently charge $5000 for the Pro XDR display - and while a new one might be cheaper than that it's not going to be cheap. I doubt it would undercut the $3200 Dell 6k (which doesn't have full-array local dimming) so an iMac with that class of display is going to be back to iMac Pro-level pricing, if not higher. They are not going to be selling in vast numbers (and, certainly, I wouldn't invest that much in a display that could only be used with its built-in computer).

(* No real trashcan updates after its launch in 2013 and in 2017 Apple effectively announced that it was a busted flush. The 2014 Mini was underpowered, the 2018 Mini was overpriced and had a pathetic GPU, the 2019 Mac Pro was priced out of contention for many - the M1 Mini met some people's needs but the 2022 Studio finally delivered iMac i9/iMac Pro-level power).
 
Thinking the same thing.. My 2019 27" is next. Can't think I would ever opt for a 24". Praying a 27" is available soon.
I've got Sonoma running great on my 2015 27" iMac via Opencore Legacy Patcher.

It's not my main Mac, but I updated it to Ventura last year to enable Advanced Data Protection on my iCloud account. I just followed the step-by-step instructions and upgraded without a hitch. Initially, there were a couple things that weren't supported, like H265 video, but over the past year, they were all resolved. Opencore is an active project that's constantly improving.

If you want to give it a try, definitely follow Mr. Macintosh's tutorials, like this one:

 
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Yes, but now that Apple has proven that most of us will pay the full price of an iMac for the display alone, expect the new pricing to leave old iMac pricing in the dust.
I don't doubt a bigger iMac will be really expensive, and that's why I really wouldn't consider it. But I don't like moving my head much when working, so 32" is also just too big. 27" is right on the edge of what I'll use and a 24" sounds like a pretty good idea. (the 24" iMac really isn't spec'd for someone like me in everything other than size.)

You can't have ASD pricing $1500-$2K and iMac 27" resurrection pricing at $1500-$2K. ASD would have to plunge in price to make THAT pricing work for iMac 27" OR new iMac will build atop well-established ASD pricing. It's not hard to guess which way Apple Inc. will go.
I don't doubt that. :(
 
I had a little concern about going "too wide" in the 5K2K ultra-wide monitor I adopted after YEARS of iMac 27" usage. It is basically like sticking TWO iMac 27" screens together, so there is some head movement to direct view from things far left to things far right.

HOWEVER, the vast majority of time is focused on a window somewhere in that screen R.E. range, so it's not like watching a tennis ball moving back & forth end to end... neck muscles are never taxed by using it. Most of the time, my head moves no more than it did with iMac 27" usage because the focus of the work is in one window somewhere in the full space available.
 
I'm wondering what all the people with a 27'' Intel iMac are going to do now that the 2017 model can't be updated to Sonoma. I doubt that most of them would be happy with a 24'' iMac. I guess macMini or Studio and a larger display as it does not look as if there is going to be a new 27'' iMac in the lineup.
Already moved to the Studio with a 5K monitor. Got tired of waiting. It’s a good thing though as now I can just upgrade my Studio and not landfill a perfectly good screen.
 
Honestly, if it’s just an M2 bump, it would be really disappointing and they could’ve done that a year ago. Perhaps we’re in for a surprise? Did they manage to place a M2 Pro in the iMac and that’s why it took this long ?
 
Honestly, if it’s just an M2 bump, it would be really disappointing and they could’ve done that a year ago. Perhaps we’re in for a surprise? Did they manage to place a M2 Pro in the iMac and that’s why it took this long ?
Maybe it’s the M2 Pro, yeah.
After all, you can get those in the mini. If they clock it slightly lower or they’ve come up with a more efficient cooling solution to keep it from getting too toasty… why not?

I just hope they keep the colors xD
 
If it's an M2 bump then don't even bother.

Was needed over a year ago, and at this point might as well wait for the M3. Can't blame Intel for not getting us timely updates.
 
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The iMac yes, but a 14/16 MBP update so soon smells like iPad 3-4 all over again.

My uneducated guess is M2 iMac spec bump and that's it.
So soon? I don't think it'd be entirely unusual if the 14"/16" MBP were updated. The current models were released in January 2023. It's been nearly a year and Apple has released new models within less than a year several times in the past. The most recent example in this lineup is when Apple released a 15" MPB in May 2019, only to be discontinued six months later when they introduced the 16" MBP in November 2019.

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If we get M3 this year it’ll be nothing more than the lowest end M3 in the lowest end Macs, like 24” iMac, MacBook Air, Mac mini, 13” MBP.

The Apple will switch the bait between Q2 and Q4 2024 by introducing MBPs, Mac minis, Mac Studio with M3 configurations.
 
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