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OutThere said:
What's sad is people who get plastered off their asses every weekend and have liver damage by the age of 40.

What's sad is people who are physically addicted to cigarettes and have charred, blackened lungs by 40.

Marijuana, taken at the quantity that the majority of pot-users take it has no real damaging effects (especially if you take it another way than smoking it).

i would agree. and ironically, i'm for the legalization of pot.

however, to get some special joy and some sense of extra permission or something to smoke because a day's numbers end up being 4/20 is pretty sad to me. of course, to each their own.
 
I talked to my sister, and apparently the K-9 unit was at her school yesterday.

Stupid stoners. :p

FYI; Smoking dope is something like 7 times more harmful to your lungs then a cigarette.
 
telecomm said:
Luckily, it need not be smoked in order to be consumed.

ayo
 

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rickvanr said:
FYI; Smoking dope is something like 7 times more harmful to your lungs then a cigarette.

I don't know about 7 times as harmful, but it does have a lot more tar than cigarettes. Also, the fact that most inhale it in deeper throws more damage at your lungs.

People who smoke it are just as dumb as those who smoke tobacco. Let morons be morons I say. As long as it doesn't impact me, go right ahead. (although it actually does, bastard smokers and healthcare costs).
 
rickvanr said:
FYI; Smoking dope is something like 7 times more harmful to your lungs then a cigarette.
But there has yet to be any evidence of smoking marijuana leading to the development of cancer, something cigarettes is infamous for.

jon
 
iJon said:
But there has yet to be any evidence of smoking marijuana leading to the development of cancer, something cigarettes is infamous for.

jon

The hell? You're inhaling carcinogens(see: cancer causing agents) tar, carbon monoxide, cyanide ....just to name a few found in the drug.
 
Airforce said:
The hell? You're inhaling carcinogens(see: cancer causing agents) tar, carbon monoxide, cyanide ....just to name a few found in the drug.
True, but there is no scientific evidence relating my pot smoking to causing cancer later in my lifetime. Now my relatives who smoke easily a pack a day (even my biggest stoner friends don't take in 24 joints a day) are the ones who will probably be getting cancer in some form or another. I'm sure there are many others on the board who are familiar with the topic who would agree with me.

jon
 
I'm not sure what the big fuss over carcinogens is about. Stand on a New York City street corner for a few minutes and you'll inhale plenty of them. No matter what you do, you're going to take in carcinogens. Why obsess over them?
 
iJon said:
True, but there is no scientific evidence relating my pot smoking to causing cancer later in my lifetime.


And this is where you are wrong....

There are more cancer causing agents in your little joint than that cigarette whomever smokes. If you continue to smoke it, you will increase your chances many times over of getting cancer. Does this mean you will end up with cancer? No. Hell, you might just end up being impotent as your only side effect, but your chances are increasing, just as someone who smokes the same amount of cigarettes is. If you don't choose to believe this, that's fine. It's your life, your lungs, your countries laws you are breaking.
 
rickvanr said:
FYI; Smoking dope is something like 7 times more harmful to your lungs then a cigarette.
Just, btw, Wikipedia and many other sources I have found but can't quickly refind think differently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health...nnabis#Different_and_fewer_risks_than_tobacco
Although, there just may not be enough research out there for a totally decisive answer.
I'm not trying to defend smoking it, but you heavily exaggerated the effects as far as cancer goes.

EDIT: Wikipedia actually seems to think very differently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_issues_and_the_effects_of_cannabis#No_cancer_link
 
iJon said:
True, but there is no scientific evidence relating my pot smoking to causing cancer later in my lifetime. Now my relatives who smoke easily a pack a day (even my biggest stoner friends don't take in 24 joints a day) are the ones who will probably be getting cancer in some form or another. I'm sure there are many others on the board who are familiar with the topic who would agree with me.

I'm very familiar with the topic and I will disagree with you.

I lost a close family friend a few years ago, the result of lung cancer. He was also an avid marijuana smoker for nearly thirty years. He smoked daily, although lived a healthy life otherwise. The doctors were unable to determine with 100% certainty that habitual marijuana smoke actually caused cancer. But of course the same could be said of tobacco.

There are lies and spin on both sides of the drug issue, including the drug law reformists. The notion that there are no connections between lung cancer and long-term marijuana use is utterly absurd.
 
Airforce said:
And this is where you are wrong....

There are more cancer causing agents in your little joint than that cigarette whomever smokes. If you continue to smoke it, you will increase your chances many times over of getting cancer. Does this mean you will end up with cancer? No. Hell, you might just end up being impotent as your only side effect, but your chances are increasing, just as someone who smokes the same amount of cigarettes is. If you don't choose to believe this, that's fine. It's your life, your lungs, your countries laws you are breaking.


Are you a medical professional that does cancer research? An oncologist? You've definitely convinced yourself that you've got lots of knowledge on the subject. (Thanks for not quoting a Wiki as a source :rolleyes: ) Why, pray tell, should your insight on the dangers of pot smoking be taken with anything other than mild interest in your strong feelings about a relatively harmless group of people. A group that, as I'm sure you're well aware, have MUCH less an effect on your pocket book than the users of legal drugs. Your assertion that marijuana users are morons doesn't help your credibility. Being judgemental seems to come naturally to some people though.

I'm not a marijuana smoker, but as is often the case with other "liberal" thinkers, the smokers I know are usually the last to start calling people names, or to try to make someone feel that they are somehow less capable as a member of society for not making the same choices. Why is it not so with many of the conservative, legal-drug users that I know? I'll have to ask one before they leave the bar after a refreshing pint.

Having lost a Dad to cigarette smoking, and a friend and his 5 year old daughter to someone that decided to drink some legal drugs before getting behind the wheel, I can state with some relief that all of my dope smoking friends are still just as alive, healthy, intelligent and easy to get along with as they've ever been. I've never seen one of them decide that it's a good idea to go out a drive around after getting a buzz, nor have I seen them adopt the drug of choice of the truly impared, 'meth. You want to raise hell about evil drugs? I think there are a few higher on the list than cannabis.

If more people actually bothered to educate themselves, rather than responding with a jerk-of-the-knee from their comfy armchairs, we might actually have some economic growth via Hemp products and a legalized drug that wouldn't kill near as many people as cigarettes or alcohol. Making it illegal doesn't keep people from using it, but it sure gives a lot of bureaucrats more of our tax dollars.




 
jadekitty24 said:
Wow...lotsa hate up in here. Can't we all just get along and be nice to each other? Oh, crap...another side-effect of being a stoner...trying to be nice.


Seriously. The title of this thread isn't "post your opinions on the health risks and moral implications of marijuana."

Some people like it, leave them be I say...

then again, MR probably isn't the best place for a 420 thread...:(
 
cyberddot said:
If more people actually bothered to educate themselves, rather than responding with a jerk-of-the-knee from their comfy armchairs, we might actually have some economic growth via Hemp products and a legalized drug that wouldn't kill near as many people as cigarettes or alcohol.

I love this part. Lets legalize another way that people can kill themselves. Oh, but hey, it's ok. I mean, hell, it won't kill nearly as many people as smoking tobacco or alcohol! :rolleyes:
 
cyberddot said:
Are you a medical professional that does cancer research? An oncologist? You've definitely convinced yourself that you've got lots of knowledge on the subject. (Thanks for not quoting a Wiki as a source :rolleyes: )

...

If more people actually bothered to educate themselves, rather than responding with a jerk-of-the-knee from their comfy armchairs, . . .
You really should take your own advice, instead of opening your uneducated mouth. Here are some non-wiki quotes.

From Mental Health:
But is known that marijuana smoke contains some of the same, and sometimes even more, of the cancer-causing chemicals as tobacco smoke.

From Columbia University:
For now, it does appear that pot smokers may run an increased risk of cancer

From an even better source, ohns Hopkins University:
marijuana is a cauldron of more that 400 active chemicals, some of which work together to create marijuana's effects on the body. Many of these chemicals can cause cancer.
 
I live in a very "pot friendly" city, and I hate April 20th every year. I hate the smell of pot, I hate what it does to people, and I hate how people think it's "cool" to smoke it.

Grow up.:rolleyes: :mad:
 
Airforce said:
I love this part. Lets legalize another way that people can kill themselves. Oh, but hey, it's ok. I mean, hell, it won't kill nearly as many people as smoking tobacco or alcohol! :rolleyes:


Death is actually legal, and inevitable. What I love is that some folks feel the need to tell people how to spend the very limited amout of time that they have. Fear of death really doesn't clarify the position.

Want to make driving illegal next?

Oh...and back on topic...happy belated 4/20.



 
grapes911 said:
You really should take your own advice, instead of opening your uneducated mouth. Here are some non-wiki quotes.
<snip>

Which part of my statements was uneducated? Is it just me, or does that read as a challenge to my assertion that we could actually have some economic growth via cannabis? At which point did I suggest that pot doesn't cause cancer? My challenge was to the posters unquoted information, and assertion that he/she has a better source of information.

Have you found any Wiki info that provides information contrary to your listed facts? I'm sure you could.

Oh, and grapes', thanks for being nice, it's quite refreshing after reading the posts from others. Nice knee-jerk.


 
grapes911 said:
You really should take your own advice, instead of opening your uneducated mouth. Here are some non-wiki quotes.

But it's so much easier to listen to the propagandists, especially when they tell you what you want to hear...
 
cyberddot said:
...I've never seen one of them decide that it's a good idea to go out a drive around after getting a buzz, nor have I seen them adopt the drug of choice of the truly impared, 'meth. You want to raise hell about evil drugs? I think there are a few higher on the list than cannabis.

Just because a few of your stoner friends "decide it isn't a good idea to go out and drive around" after getting high does not mean the rest of the US would be as "wise Legalizing pot would cause a lot more harm than good. How would you like to see someone smoking a joint while driving down the interstate? In all likelihood, it will happen if pot is legalized. There are loads of idiots out there who would do just that, thinking pot is just like a cigarette.
 
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