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In a non-modern world, without oil-powered supplement supply chains….yeah…humans need meat. I don’t think we should base our future on the ability to create supplements and artificial nutrition. Actually, fat content of nutrition is thought to have contributed to our increased brain size and power. But, you know, whatever.

I hope people only enjoy the FineWoven bands, and consider no others. And I hope people only upgrade on a responsible schedule, with no environmental impact, and eschew all modern conveniences because they have environmental impacts.

Humans don’t need supplements or artificial nutrition to survive without meat. A simple plant based diet provides all of the nutrition humans need. Including sufficient fat.
 
There is - I always buy from aliexpress the copy ones, they come in an Apple box and are 99.9 close to the ones you'd buy direct, but at a 10:1 ratio cost wise.

I’ve bought some of the $4 Alpine knockoffs and while they are clearly not up to Apple’s standards tehy are quite decent and stand up to daily wear.

The steel bands and leather ones are junk.

So, in other words, illegal.

Unless Apple has a patent on the fastening device then there is nothing illegal about them. I could not find any patent relating to the lugs, just design patents for a few styles; though I would suspect they might have one for the attachment.
 
What new problem is it creating?
Leather bands are reportedly discontinued.

The thing is, we don’t need meat at all. It’s much more efficient to eat plants then it is to feed the plants to animals on order to eat them.

raising and killing animals in order to eat them is indeed very much inflicting pain and death cynically and uselessly
I’m beginning nutritionists and doctors are just guessing. Can’t tell how many times things like natural fat, eggs, etc. have gone from bad to good to bad, while they continue to push fake burgers that have more garbage in them than good.

People evolved to eat meat...
Other than that, yes.
Because they knew plants weren’t giving them everything they needed to live a long successful life. And meat tastes WAY better.

Firstly, humans were not “designed” at all.

Secondly, humans do not need to eat meat

It’s that simple. Case closed. No further discussion required ;)
They do. Correct, case is closed.

Some people don't understand how the food chain works. Same idea as some animals need to be hunted for population control but there are people that want hunting 100% banned.
We have a really bad deer problem where I live. People are constantly hitting them. They devour gardens and carry disease.
 


In a departure from leather, Apple is expected to unveil an all-new line of FineWoven Apple Watch bands made from artificial materials, and these images are said to be our first look at what one of the official bands look like.

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Sourced by prototype device collector and leaker Kosutami, the images allegedly show one of Apple's official bands, which are described as being lightweight, thin, and smooth.

The bands are allegedly made from recycled nylon and polyester, with a twill weave pattern. Apple may have chosen these materials in an effort to appear eco-friendly, while simultaneously reducing their carbon footprint through the use of fabric-based leather substitutes.

According to Kosutami, the bands are also set to feature a splash-resistant coating, although the bands themselves are not fully waterproof.

According to the leaker, Apple created six color options for the FineWoven watch bands, but is only set to announce three of them during the special event today. The exact colors remain unknown at the time of writing.

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Kosutami also clarified that the FineWoven bands would be made by the same manufacturer that makes bands for the AppleWatch Ultra, with the materials allegedly being sourced from Japan.

Previous rumors have suggested that Apple will be removing leather options from its assortment of iPhone cases. Similar to the rumored FIneWoven Apple Watch bands, rumors claim that Apple also plans to release iPhone cases made from an artificial leather material under the same "FineWoven" moniker.

Information on the iPhone cases originated from DuanRui, a leaker who sources information from Chinese social media platforms.

Kosutami previously told MacRumors that Apple plans to discontinue all silicione accessories, and now claims that Apple intends to replace most of its leather accessories with ones made from more eco-friendly materials.

Bloomberg's Mark Gurman recently said that Apple began offering Hermes leather accessories to its employees at discounts of up to 90% last month in an attempt to clear remaining inventory. He also added that he expects Apple to move away from leather on its Apple Watch bands, in addition to phone cases.

For more on what else Apple is expected to reveal at its "Wonderlust" event in a few hours, be sure to check out our latest roundup.

Article Link: Here's Our First Look at Apple's New 'FineWoven' Apple Watch Bands
Getting rid of the Hermes leather options is a terrible idea..
 
Firstly, humans were not “designed” at all.

Secondly, humans do not need to eat meat

It’s that simple. Case closed. No further discussion required ;)
You are totally wrong. Let me quote from scientific American:
Killing animals and eating meat have been significant components of human evolution that had a synergistic relationship with other key attributes that have made us human, with larger brains, smaller guts, bipedalism and language. Larger brains benefited from consuming high-quality proteins in meat-containing diets, and, in turn, hunting and killing of large animals, butchering of carcasses and sharing of meat have inevitably contributed to the evolution of human intelligence in general and to the development of language and of capacities for planning, cooperation and socializing in particular.
 
You are totally wrong. Let me quote from scientific American:
Killing animals and eating meat have been significant components of human evolution that had a synergistic relationship with other key attributes that have made us human, with larger brains, smaller guts, bipedalism and language. Larger brains benefited from consuming high-quality proteins in meat-containing diets, and, in turn, hunting and killing of large animals, butchering of carcasses and sharing of meat have inevitably contributed to the evolution of human intelligence in general and to the development of language and of capacities for planning, cooperation and socializing in particular.
😂 Explains a lot.

Getting back to the whole point of this discussion, why does it always come down to I don’t {insert blank} so you don’t get to {insert blank}. I eat/do/buy whatever I want. Help others whenever I can. I couldn’t care less what others do unless they are visibly polluting/stealing/something unlawful. Leather bands hurt no one. Carbon is not a pollutant, it’s plant food. No plants, no vegans.

Cows are the middleman when it comes to my vegetarian diet.
 
You are totally wrong. Let me quote from scientific American:
Killing animals and eating meat have been significant components of human evolution that had a synergistic relationship with other key attributes that have made us human, with larger brains, smaller guts, bipedalism and language. Larger brains benefited from consuming high-quality proteins in meat-containing diets, and, in turn, hunting and killing of large animals, butchering of carcasses and sharing of meat have inevitably contributed to the evolution of human intelligence in general and to the development of language and of capacities for planning, cooperation and socializing in particular.

That is merely one side of an ongoing debate.

For example:

 
Getting back to the whole point of this discussion, why does it always come down to I don’t {insert blank} so you don’t get to {insert blank}. I eat/do/buy whatever I want.

Because non-human animals are sentient creatures just like you and I.

To cause them unnecessary suffering is just as morally repugnant as it would be for you and I to cause unnecessary suffering to each other.

There is no need for the industrial raising, torture and slaughter of non-human animals for human use, so the suffering brought about by such practices are unnecessary and thereby unethical.
 
That is merely one side of an ongoing debate.

For example:

You should read your material more closely. I'll help you by lifting one sentence from it
Our research suggests that dietary carbohydrates, along with meat, were essential for the evolution of modern big-brained humans.
Note that phrase "along with meat", not total absence of meat.
 
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Because non-human animals are sentient creatures just like you and I.

To cause them unnecessary suffering is just as morally repugnant as it would be for you and I to cause unnecessary suffering to each other.

There is no need for the industrial raising, torture and slaughter of non-human animals for human use, so the suffering brought about by such practices are unnecessary and thereby unethical.
You might like to look up the definition of "sentient creatures".
 
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You might like to look up the definition of "sentient creatures".

I am more than aware of definitions of sentience and consciousness

Is there a point you would like to make?

Are you claiming that non-human animals are not self aware and cannot suffer?
 
You should read your material more closely. I'll help you by lifting one sentence from it
Our research suggests that dietary carbohydrates, along with meat, were essential for the evolution of modern big-brained humans.
Note that phrase "along with meat", not total absence of meat.

“Essential for evolution” does not mean still required

Slavery was essential for the creation of the United States as a country and much of the global economy as it exists today.

Would you argue it is still necessary?
 
“Essential for evolution” does not mean still required

Slavery was essential for the creation of the United States as a country and much of the global economy as it exists today.

Would you argue it is still necessary?
Is English your first language?
 
Is English your first language?

Indeed.

You seem to be confusing an explanation for how something came to be with its current necessity

Do you have an answer about your beliefs regarding animal sentience for us yet?
 
I know how we all can help Apple reach zero carbon earlier than 2030.
We all stop buying any apple product, problem solved!

(Sorry, Apple pissed me off with the whole mother "nature" thing. I didn't know mother nature is a fat arrogant woman, that claims we don't need to talk about the photosynthesis)
 
Okay, I'm just gonna have to say it...other than the metal bands, Apple just does not make good looking bands IMHO
 
Maybe but the difference is that one from the tourist beach will scuff up and fall to pieces in no time, however careful you are.

The Apple one will still look new a year later, if you look after it.
my Apple phone cases look dead after a year from just pulling it out of a trouser pocket and putting it back in
 
Indeed.

You seem to be confusing an explanation for how something came to be with its current necessity

Do you have an answer about your beliefs regarding animal sentience for us yet?
Conflating slavery with eating meat reveals a confusion of the mind that is beyond the ability to comprehend.
Besides, this thread is about iPhone cases and I have a date with a blood rare steak so I’ll leave you to talk to yourself.
 
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