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Here's the New iPhone Lineup: iPhone 14 and iPhone 14 Pro, iPhone 13 and 13 Mini, iPhone 12 and iPhone SE

Wahlstrm said:
Happy they kept the 13 mini around, provides some hope about a 15 mini coming next year maybe.
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I don’t agree. And, the fact that the 12 Mini is gone sends the clear message that they don’t intend to wring any more margin from the form factor.

I would put the chances of a Mini returning to the yearly “flagship” device lineup at just about zero. Furthermore, I’d expect the 13 Mini to exit the lineup a year ahead of its larger sibling just like the 12 Mini did this year. That, to me, all but closes the door on the possibility of the SE graduating into the Mini form factor next go-round as well.

If there’s a new small phone in Apple's future (and right now it doesn’t look good, IMHO), it would likely be its own thing with a price and feature set somewhere between the next SE (6.1” LCD, 11-based if rumor holds) and the non-Pro. That doesn’t mean it couldn’t borrow the same 5.4” Mini form factor - it definitely could. But it would probably not have the latest tech, other than processor. And it would probably be $600 (or more), just like the 13 Mini is now, and 12 Mini was until it was discontinued today.
 
Pezimak said:
Prices have gone up,in the U.K. over the last models, they haven’t gone up in the US. Neither has VAT gone up. Yeah nothing wrong with the global price increase so long as you can afford it…
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You’re saying they’re overpriced, when dollar for dollar, they’re almost the same when converted (properly). Why should Apple take a hit? They’re a money making enterprise, not a charity.

The percentage increase of the iPhone cost is far lower than the percentage increase of the cost of a four pint carton of milk, or loaf bread in the UK.

If you’re unhappy with that, then there are cheaper, more affordable options available. Alternatively, retain your older device, or look at a non-premium brand.
 
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Candlelight said:
Honestly what was the point of the iPhone 14? It's 95% the same as the iPhone 13. Are people really gonna fork out $100 extra for a similar phone?
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I really like the dynamic island thing and the improved cameras. So I think it's worth an extra $100.
 
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Pezimak said:
yeah, don’t want to say anything further as I don’t want to ruin it for those who will be buying it and it’s bad enough worrying about it all as it is.

But it’s a great device for sure. Although the new 14 Pro Max is a tad on the heavy side it must be said, I definitely think a titanium chassis would have helped it. Those new cameras are seriously impressive.
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Yea I will probably eventually get 14PM once I can pay off the 13PM installments and use the Verizon Trade in offer.
 
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Unggoy Murderer said:
Absolutely nothing wrong with UK pricing at all. For the iPhone 14, here’s the breakdown:

UK price including 20% sales tax (VAT): £849
Remove VAT (£169): £680
£680 to USD according to Siri: $785
US cost: $799 + state sales tax where applicable.
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The one good thing in US at least for us is we could just take a moderate drive to Dover DE store for 0% sales tax. But gas would probably negate that so we would have to plan other things to do to make it worth it
 
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Unggoy Murderer said:
You’re saying they’re overpriced, when dollar for dollar, they’re almost the same when converted (properly). Why should Apple take a hit? They’re a money making enterprise, not a charity.

The percentage increase of the iPhone cost is far lower than the percentage increase of the cost of a four pint carton of milk, or loaf bread in the UK.

If you’re unhappy with that, then there are cheaper, more affordable options available. Alternatively, retain your older device, or look at a non-premium brand.
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You removed VAT to make your argument, I’m sorry but it’s not a choice if you pay VAT or not in the U.K., unless you buy an iPhone through a business, so your entire argument is flawed. You cannot just remove the VAT and claim oh look it’s the same price as in the US now. How many states charge 20% sales tax?

iphone 14 start from 979 dollars US in the U.K. unless you can buy it through as a business expense and claim the VAT back.
 
I'm disappointed they didn't change out the SE to something at the same price point but with an edge to edge display.
 
So they dropped the iPhone 12 mini and they are still called iPhone 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max... And now they released iOS 15.7 RC and iPadOS 15.7 RC without releasing developer beta...
 
Pezimak said:
You removed VAT to make your argument, I’m sorry but it’s not a choice if you pay VAT or not in the U.K., unless you buy an iPhone through a business, so your entire argument is flawed. You cannot just remove the VAT and claim oh look it’s the same price as in the US now. How many states charge 20% sales tax?
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Yes, VAT is a 20% tax imposed on the sales of goods and services in the UK. In the US, states set their own sales tax amounts. So, 80% of the UK cost goes to Apple, and 20% to the UK Treasury.

I didn’t remove VAT to make an argument, I removed it to establish the baseline price of the iPhone. That is an entirely valid thing to do, and is exactly how anyone calculating cost differences between economies / countries will do.

So, my argument isn’t flawed at all, it’s your understanding that is flawed I’m afraid.
 
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Pezimak said:
You removed VAT to make your argument, I’m sorry but it’s not a choice if you pay VAT or not in the U.K., unless you buy an iPhone through a business, so your entire argument is flawed. You cannot just remove the VAT and claim oh look it’s the same price as in the US now. How many states charge 20% sales tax?

iphone 14 start from 979 dollars US in the U.K. unless you can buy it through as a business expense and claim the VAT back.
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Lol, did this guy really just say you should compare UK phone price with the VAT included against the US phone price with the VAT excluded?
You should always include pre-tax prices.

The only reason why your phone increased so much in price (and basically everywhere in Europe) is because the British Pound isn't worth **** anymore against the dollar. Can't blame Apple for the British Pound and Euro being so weak.
https://imgur.com/qtzzlyF
 
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Unggoy Murderer said:
Yes, VAT is a 20% tax imposed on the sales of goods and services in the UK. In the US, states set their own sales tax amounts. So, 80% of the UK cost goes to Apple, and 20% to the UK Treasury.

I didn’t remove VAT to make an argument, I removed it to establish the baseline price of the iPhone. That is an entirely valid thing to do, and is exactly how anyone calculating cost differences between economies / countries will do.

So, my argument isn’t flawed at all, it’s your understanding that is flawed I’m afraid.
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Nope you made it cheaper. I could make anything cheaper in my argument, but it’s still false as it’s not the price you pay. Your opinion is based on the fact tax is optional for the consumer. It is not, it is a flawed argument, you make no sense with it.
 
Pezimak said:
Nope you made it cheaper. I could make anything cheaper in my argument, but it’s still false as it’s not the price you pay. Your opinion is based on the fact tax is optional for the consumer. It is not, it is a flawed argument, you make no sense with it.
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Sorry but you are absolutely, categorically incorrect. I didn’t make it cheaper, I just established the baseline pre-tax cost if the device in both markets, and compared them.

You can’t compare taxed and untaxed prices.
 
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Unggoy Murderer said:
Yes, VAT is a 20% tax imposed on the sales of goods and services in the UK. In the US, states set their own sales tax amounts. So, 80% of the UK cost goes to Apple, and 20% to the UK Treasury.

I didn’t remove VAT to make an argument, I removed it to establish the baseline price of the iPhone. That is an entirely valid thing to do, and is exactly how anyone calculating cost differences between economies / countries will do.

So, my argument isn’t flawed at all, it’s your understanding that is flawed I’m afraid.
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It's ~83% actually ;-)
 
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rme said:
I really like the dynamic island thing and the improved cameras. So I think it's worth an extra $100.
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Dynamic island is on the pro. Debating if the 14 is worth the 100$ over the 13 myself. I suppose we will see if the camera and enhanced a15 will be worth it.
 
Unggoy Murderer said:
Sorry but you are absolutely, categorically incorrect. I didn’t make it cheaper, I just established the baseline pre-tax cost if the device in both markets, and compared them.

You can’t compare taxed and untaxed prices.
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Ok, sure, you are correct, removing tax makes the price of the iPhone in the U.K. the same as the US,
Only the majority cannot buy one without paying the tax.
 
Pezimak said:
Nope you made it cheaper. I could make anything cheaper in my argument, but it’s still false as it’s not the price you pay. Your opinion is based on the fact tax is optional for the consumer. It is not, it is a flawed argument, you make no sense with it.
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Maybe this way will help you understand:

If say Scotland charged 25% VAT, and England charged 20% VAT, Apple would likely show pricing on the UK website as around £680. When you check out, they would calculate the tax amount and add it to your total. That is exactly how it works in the US.

What I’m trying to say is, Apple isn’t setting that 20% VAT, the government is.
 
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Pezimak said:
I CAN compare tax prices, because yet again I have no choice in if I pay them or not. Not sure what you don’t understand here? You can go to another state and pay less tax hence why you probably remove it. I cannot do that so it’s pointless for anyone in the U.K. to look at a price and remove the tax of it, it’s always included in the price.
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I’m not trying to say you have an option to pay it - you don’t.

You are saying Apple are overcharging us for iPhones in the UK - they aren’t.

For the last time, you cannot compare taxed and non-taxed prices, it is an incompatible metric. You must establish the baseline price of the device, then do your conversions. That’s how the economy works, I’m not trying to fool or dupe you. I’m sure you will find numerous resources confirming this too.
 
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Sasparilla said:
That 14 Plus is going to sell well for them.
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I don’t know why tbh. For another £250 you can get the pro which is packed with new features. Are people really so basic that bigger automatically means better. I mean 6.1 was considered big until fairly recently
 
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