The real question is why do you come to an Apple fan site(basically) just to bash them at every turn?
The real question is why do you come to an Apple fan site(basically) just to bash them at every turn? Seems like you need better things to do with your time.
It'd be like me going to an Android or PC forum just to bash the opposition. Get a hobby, or go touch yourself.
First of all you are putting words in my mouth and I would really appreciate if we could avoid that because it's irritating. Secondly, I do not believe it is that easy because what you consider "short term convince" is called innovation and that means it is not short term at all, Flash has always been and will always be more advanced than HTML, it's not like HTML is catching up! For as long as Flash will allow developers to do today what HTML will allow to do in 5 years (if ever at all) this war will be worthless and would not even exist if it was not Apple.
Thirdly, Flash/Flex is way, way.... way way way more open and compatible than anything Apple!
However, the problem has been addressed and the feedback for Flash Player 10.2 across computers and mobiles is overwhelming, those are facts.
Going back to my previous answer above, the option would be offered if the real motives were performance but they are not, performance and security issues have been misused as weapons against Adobe over Flash.
except Apple which in the meantime keeps spreading the lies and propaganda through their PR and fans armada
just to maintain the status quo.
If web developers used open standards for everything that HTML5 and related standards are actually good for, and Flash for the other stuff, the web would be a better place.
We've already been through this. Apple has created and/or supports hundreds of open source projects including Webkit. Stop spreading lies.
Again with the unsupported accusations. Apple PR hasn't said anything about Flash since the period of time around "Thoughts on Flash."
Umm... Flash is the status quo.
That is your ideology and that is not what the people were told, they were told Flash is **** on mobile, is outdated and not needed anymore. Those are lies, if the people were told what you just said above, most of them would they "screw you, your was, not hours".
Dude, are you gonna stop to call me a liar lover and over, you are making a full of yourself! People get it, I am getting enough private messages and there are enough people in this thread who want to know the truth so stop calling me a liar, you're talking to yourself. Adobe does not refrain people from doing what they want in the browser, they do not require business to use Apple's proprietary technology and give to Apple a 30% commission for t. Apple does not tell us what tool we need to use, anyone can compete with any of Adobe's product, they only control the player to refrain anyone from messing with it and that is what we developers want.
No, Apple stopped when the European Union and the FTC started a joint investigation after Apple shown bad faith by trying to ban Adobe's development product from generating native iOS app. That was the starting point for the wake up, developers and business ended up seeing through Apple's game and started thinking "wait a minute", it cut short Apple's ability to carry on its mission and Google joining forces with Adobe pretty much cut it short too, Apple does not make the cut anymore.
Who told the people that?
Apple is big, big legal team, big liability, smart people, words are chosen very carefully but truth is nothing can make Steve Jobs keep his mouth shut, so this is one example among many, Steve Jobs on Adobe during a Town Hall meeting:
"They are lazy. They have all this potential to do interesting things, but they just refuse to do it. They don't do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it's because of Flash. No one will be using Flash. The world is moving to HTML5."
Those are lies, they have no evidence that Adobe has ever been lazy, they provided no evidence that they themselves made every effort to improve Flash on Mac hand in hand with Adobe, they provided no evidence that Mac OS is not responsible for the crashes. There are actual evidences of the opposite, like the fact that Apple refused to provide Adobe with the pre release of MacBook AIR for optimization. Turns out, Adobe demoed Flash on MacBook AIR playing full screen, full frame HD with 10% CPU 2 weeks after its public release anyway, take that Apple. Lazy huh? Now, add graphics and vector on top of it... oooohhh CPU does not even move! Usually that use case would drive the CPU freaking red. Lazy huh?
Also, it is a lie to say "no one will be using Flash", that is propaganda in an attempt to drive developers away from the Flash Platform as a whole by breaking its ability to develop for all platform. Apple tried to force developers on their proprietary system (even forcing them to buy a Mac) as shown by the TOS they had to reverse under pressure of regulators.
Keep talking, people are not stupid and even if they were, developers and businesses aren't.
And why in the world would Adobe be entitled to a pre-release version of the MacBook Air? Why would they even need one? Do they optimize for every laptop that comes on the market?
Can't everyone just make a pact to stop posting in this thread? A single person can only bump a thread so much...
Yes like dropping Flash! Adobe couldn't program themselves out of a Virtual wet paper bag! 😱😀i think the title of this thread needs to be changed from WE want flash, to A TINY TINY MINORITY OF US want flash.
i was on a website on my ipad earlier, and it required flash, my first thought was "Damn you pizza hut, using flash", not "damn you ipad, not having flash"
the rest of the web needs to keep up...
What????????????? I can't decide if you are serious or not....😕
For me to love Flash Adobe must make a program that uses less memory, runs smoother, doesn't have a program looking for an update every 5 seconds, smaller install.
and the drum roll.......... Doesn't hang half the time.😱
I've had way more problems with iTunes than Flash. Flash runs exceptionally fast (although years ago it didn't). I would warrant he is serious.
Another evidence that Apple is up to no good:
http://www.t3.com/news/apple-ios-4-3-web-apps-run-slow-in-new-os?=54501
Developers are not as easy to fool as consumers.
It's the case for probably 90% of the web population. Apparently Apple worries about Flash being a problem on 10% of computers (Mac) but does not worry about forcing its customers to use iTunes on 90% of computers (PCs) knowing the software run very poorly on PC and is a major annoyance. Question is why? Well, Flash competes with Apple's iTunes and AppStore while iTunes and AppStore bring cash to Apple, it's a no brainer. How they get away with it? PR and CEO charisma, even though truth is they did not get away with it.
Despite defaulting to use Flash, Pizza Hut properly reverts to HTML when required (unless you're in Canada).Flash, really? I dont get where you people are going that you use flash so much. I use a windows PC and I rarely ever need flash...unless I really wanna check out the Pizza Hut website so much.
Flash, really? I dont get where you people are going that you use flash so much. I use a windows PC and I rarely ever need flash...unless I really wanna check out the Pizza Hut website so much.
The only place Flash is OK (simply because there is no other option) is Youtube.... and if there was a way to switch to something other the Flash it would be awesome..