Except that's not true. In fact, the latest version of Firefox was released with plugin protection to keep flash crashes from bringing down the whole browser. Same with Safari.
Why should they need to "handle" flash?
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Hey Apple...Adobe has learned its lesson! We want Flash
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Except that's not true. In fact, the latest version of Firefox was released with plugin protection to keep flash crashes from bringing down the whole browser. Same with Safari.
Why should they need to "handle" flash?
impressive???
Are you impressed by dog poop too?
I have seen flash on the droid, and have not been impressed. In the few times I have played with a droid phone on flash sites, it starts off slow and choppy. It doesn't work nice and smooth. I personally have not missed flash one iota. After all, the only websites still stuck on flash are porn, and car companies sites. With this economy, I have little need for either. Go get your droid and watch all of the porn you want, but don't pretend to speak for the rest of us.
Are you impressed by dog poop too?
I have seen flash on the droid, and have not been impressed. In the few times I have played with a droid phone on flash sites, it starts off slow and choppy. It doesn't work nice and smooth. I personally have not missed flash one iota. After all, the only websites still stuck on flash are porn, and car companies sites. With this economy, I have little need for either. Go get your droid and watch all of the porn you want, but don't pretend to speak for the rest of us.
Well in my experience, Flash crashes in Safari all the time and stutters many times in playback.
This NEVER happens with Firefox, it runs very stable and SMOOTH! No problems whatsoever.
Face it, Apple just can´t handle Flash!
I hate flash and I hate flash websites, even though I don't remember it crashing for me, it is a huge resource hog and flash websites while they look "flashy" they are annoying to use.
The only thing that keeps flash alive is video, once the world moves to HTML5, Flash will be done.
The only thing that keeps flash alive is video, once the world moves to HTML5, Flash will be done.
THIS! This is exactly how I feel. Anything to push the progression to HTML5 faster I say.
perhaps if Apple gives users to choose whether or not to enable flash on the device is better.
some people don't want flash on your device, but some people DO want flash on their device.
why apple just never listen to their users?
some people don't want flash on your device, but some people DO want flash on their device.
why apple just never listen to their users?
The content is being run by the same exact plugin. The browser has nothing to do with how SMOOTH it runs.Again, why should Apple need to "handle" Flash?
because the browser itself is poorly written. I never use Safari on my mac, because it's just not stable (i.e. some pages I use for work just behave differently from firefox and chrome).
Can I call BS?
Seriously, you obviously don't like OS X or you have something against Apple. Why not just install Windows 7 or Ubuntu Linux onto your Mac and have done, instead of bitching about how much you hate your Apple products on these forums? It only takes 30 mins for a fresh OS install.
And that aside, that unnecessary tangent you went off on had nothing to do with flash.
As for flash on iOS... I'm not fussed if it is there or not there. I don't use my iPhone for web browsing much. I doubt Apple will want flash on their products, even if it is better. They appear to be doing well at pushing HTML5.
That has nothing to do with how smoothly the plugin plays flash content. The plugin plays the content, not the browser.
And it's "handled" by the Flash Player. Adobe. Not Apple.
That was a seriously lame comment on so many levels. First of all you don't know me from Adam so your little implication means nothing. Making such a baseless accusation actually says a lot more about your character.
Secondly I didn't say WE ALL, I said WE, as in a subset of a given group. Please don't put words in my mouth.
My main point is that if Adobe fixes flash to the point where it can run efficiently on mobile devices, including the iPhone, then Apple and Adobe should bury hatched and give their customers THE CHOICE.
These two companies have been industry leaders and partners for decades. They both have some of the best engineers in the world. Come on, lets get this problem fixed and move on.
Clearly some folks have a problem with people who have a differing opinion; however, we can disagree without being disagreeable.
What he, myself, and many others have noticed, and are saying, is that while the FlashPlayer is the same, Flash playback is incontrovertibly worse in Safari than in Firefox. So *something* is different about Safari.
Interesting assertion.
What will be so different about HTML5 advertising, after it replaces Flash advertising, that will allow us to have more control over it?
The current stable release of Firefox only implements separate processes for plug-ins if you're using Windows and Linux. In Mac, plug-ins are currently executed in the same process as the browser. (Separate processes for plug-ins on a Mac, is a planned feature for Firefox 4.)
So there's one potential difference between Flash on Safari versus Flash on Firefox using a Mac.
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iOS devices really do need to be able to access Flash. And it's not just for porn, as The Apologists seem to think. I'm in the process of buying a car right now. All automobile manufacturer websites use flash. So, I can't look for a new car while on my iPhone. Second, many hotels use a flash-based reservation system. There's another I can't do on my iPhone abd SkyFire doesn't fix any of these problems. Sure, perhaps some videos are being ported over to HTML5, but that is just a fraction of Flash content on the web.
This site is mad!
Anyways. I'd love Flash just so I can access all those great video streaming sites. iPlayer and Youtube are okay (even if the Youtube app is verging on useless) but there are others I visit on my PC that don't run on my iPod. And according to the Steam survey 95% of computer users (out of a survey of ~20 million) have Flash installed, since it doesn't come preinstalled then there sure are lots of people out there who need Flash.
I've had Flash on my PC since 2001 and it has never been a problem for me. I've never had Safari, Firefox or IE crash from it.
I have noticed its mostly this forum and the other hardcore Apple sites that seem to have something against Flash, and it all kicked off once Steve Jobs rallied against Adobe. As someone who neither loves nor hates Adobe or Apple it certainly is interesting to watch.
Anyways. I'd love Flash just so I can access all those great video streaming sites. iPlayer and Youtube are okay (even if the Youtube app is verging on useless) but there are others I visit on my PC that don't run on my iPod. And according to the Steam survey 95% of computer users (out of a survey of ~20 million) have Flash installed, since it doesn't come preinstalled then there sure are lots of people out there who need Flash.
I've had Flash on my PC since 2001 and it has never been a problem for me. I've never had Safari, Firefox or IE crash from it.
I have noticed its mostly this forum and the other hardcore Apple sites that seem to have something against Flash, and it all kicked off once Steve Jobs rallied against Adobe. As someone who neither loves nor hates Adobe or Apple it certainly is interesting to watch.
Because we will have choice (or control) of the player. It won't just be disable Flash or not. We could disable canvas, but not video. We could customize the video player. We could filter certain types of scripts within the content, like we can do with javascript. And, most importantly to me, we won't have the LSO problem where cookies are stored outside the control of the browser.
I promise you, the average user will NOT do all that -- they will want web sites to JUST WORK, without having to tweak obscure settings on a site-by-site basis to hide the unwelcome stuff whilst allowing the useful content to get through.
Not only that but will content filtering be possible on iPads? The iPad has very little that is customisable, I don't see any way of filtering java content on here.
So? I never claimed the end to advertising. The average user doesn't block Flash ads. Or any other ads for that matter.
All I was pointing out was that, in the future, those people that want to block ads will have more control with HTML5 ads than they do with equivalent Flash ads today.
And there is no reason the settings would have to be obscure or site by site. It could be as easy as enabling Adblock is today.
Again, why should Apple need to "handle" Flash?
Well obviously the browser has lot to do with it. Otherwise the experience should be exactly the same, but it isn´t.
"Why should Apple need to "handle" Flash?" Well isn´t that quite obvious too? Haven´t you seen the massive backlash, since Apple started this "war against Flash". I´m sure you haven´t missed the hundreds of threads in multiple sites with hundreds of pages bashing Apple. The rest of the world is laughing at Apple. Only the minority brainwashed Apple fanboys are making excuses.
You know, I have nothing against moving everything to HTML5, but in the meanwhile they could at least give us the option for Flash.
Maybe Apple just can´t write good enough code around it like others can...
I wonder what you mean by the rest of the world? This week Apple's stock has reached an all time high and their market cap went over 300 Billion. If they are laughing, they are laughing with Apple all the way to the bank.
And as for fanboys, the iPhone 4 sold more than 3 million units in the first month. You aren't suggesting those were all bought by fanboys, are you? The bottom line is that without flash, the phones continue to sell at record numbers every time a new one is launched. Obviously consumers value the total usefulness of the phone and not what it may be lacking.