High Sierra is the worst OS ever

[Digimutant]

As a user of Sierra for a while, I've not encountered any issues and that's because whenever I "upgrade" I just do a complete reinstall of the OS from scratch. I only noticed after having Wi-Fi troubles in Yosemite, and doing a fresh install of Yosemite actually eradicated the slow, disconnecting wireless along with terrible battery life. I ended up getting back my usual 9 hours, from the initial 4 hours I had after the upgrade.

The reason behind not upgrading to High Sierra is pretty much this: What if it causes issues for me?

I mean, I was fine with Mavericks before Sierra and Yosemite. I only went Sierra after actually preferring that over Mavericks.

 

[dorsal]

Bring back System 7!

 

[fisherking]

I love how people usually say that if it works for me, it works for everyone.

do you really see posts like that? can you link to a few??

i know, when someone says that something doesn't work, and it does for me, i might post about it. but i never would claim that my experience is everyone's experience. the problem with many people who have an issue is that they assume that we all have the same issue; it's only true IF we in fact do all have the same issue. but so many problems are tied to specific things, like a specific graphics card, or a certain app, etc. etc.

we have these same arguments I MEAN discussions with every new version of the OS...

 

[Guy Clark]

macOS High Sierra is certainly more of a pain during installation on certain Macs in my experience than previous releases.

My secondary Mac which is a 21.5" Late 2009 iMac although being on the list of compatible Macs macOS High Sierra simply will not install despite several attempts all I get is "macOS could not be installed on your computer An error occurred while verifying firmware".

Despite this my primary Mac which is a 21.5" Mid 2011 iMac installation of macOS High Sierra went without problem.

Similar threads to this are started following every new release of the platform even Snow Leopard received similar treatment back in 2010 in a thread on this forum
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/imac-unstable-after-upgrade-to-snow-leopard.1052968/

Despite this Snow Leopard became possibly the most stable release of the platform by the time the Snow Leopard 10.6.8 update was released.

Although it is tempting to upgrade early to the latest release of the platform it is best to wait a while until Apple have released at least three point updates to any release of macOS when it has had time to mature.

 

[whooleytoo]

Seriously? Yes. Since the thesis of your post was "worst os ever", surely the years 2000 and 2006 would be within the set of "ever".

Re: Steve tried to release the best products, are you implying that Apple, under Tim Cook is not even trying? If that's the case, why are you giving them any money.

As I said above, High Sierra works for me.

Absolutely. I think we're really putting on the rose-tinted glasses if we think current macOS versions are the worst ever.

The early versions of OSX were horribly slow. It wasn't until 10.2 or 10.3 that the 'spinning beach ball' became a thing of the past. And if you go back further - MacOS 7.5 or MacOS 8 - you had incessant bomb dialogs (i.e. reset your machine) once a day or more.

 

[Guyfromtheswamp]

Despite this Snow Leopard became possibly the most stable release of the platform by the time the Snow Leopard 10.6.8 update was released.

The reason is clear: By the time 10.6.8 came out, that OS had already been the current OS for almost 2 FULL YEARS. Now that Apple insists that every one of their OS's gets a major revision every single year, they're not as solid.

Hmm, anyone else agree there 'might' be a connection?

 

[fisherking]

The reason is clear: By the time 10.6.8 came out, that OS had already been the current OS for almost 2 FULL YEARS. Now that Apple insists that every one of their OS's gets a major revision every single year, they're not as solid.

Hmm, anyone else agree there 'might' be a connection?

i guarantee that some will agree, others won't. that's how opinions (just like yours, or mine) work.

 

[Guyfromtheswamp]

really, 10.14, and 10.17 will be the worst OSes ever; trust me. or, look back thru these forums (or any mac forums), and you'll find that 10.12, and 10.11, etc etc are the worst OSes ever.

endless cycle. and (for me at least), the whining is no longer entertaining...

Aww sorry to hear that. And others find the people endlessly defending everything Apple does no longer entertaining. So I guess no one is entertained anymore.

 

[fisherking]

Aww sorry to hear that. And others find the people endlessly defending everything Apple does no longer entertaining. So I guess no one is entertained anymore.

then i'm glad i'm someone in the middle, who discusses issues (and asks for help when needed), or points out to whiners when an issue isn't everybody's...

 

[dogslobber]

Snow Leopard? You mean the last OS that was released under Steve Jobs which is literally the only reason why people praise it?

Was that not 10.7?

 

[Guy Clark]

Snow Leopard? You mean the last OS that was released under Steve Jobs which is literally the only reason why people praise it? The OS that like other before it took about 7 point releases to become stable after issues like Data wipes after logging on to guest accounts, Disk Utility that corrupted some Disk Images (still does), Graphics issues on MacBooks, MobileMe, and if I remember correctly a certain SMB issue? None of which issues that MacRumors the other big news sites talked about because they were so busy drinking the kool-aid?

During the time of Snow Leopard OS X had an entirely different release schedule back then in 2009 OS X did not have an annual release cycle therefore much more development time was spent on perfecting a specific release. Snow Leopard went to 10.6.8 and in the case of Tiger went to 10.4.11 therefore there was a larger timespan to iron out bugs which resulted in a more stable release. Since Snow Leopard the only release that comes anywhere close since the annual release cycle began is macOS Sierra.
The majority of the issue that bugs modern releases of macOS is the tight integration with iOS as it has its own annual release schedule therefore macOS stands a higher chance of being unstable in keeping up with new features on each iOS release.
macOS High Sierra brought about a major change with the APFS File System which was possibly the largest change the platform had since support for PowerPC architecture was dropped.
Snow Leopard was the most stable as it was the last OS X release before iOS integration began from there on in coupled with the annual release cycle things have deteriorated somewhat.
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Absolutely. I think we're really putting on the rose-tinted glasses if we think current macOS versions are the worst ever.

The early versions of OSX were horribly slow. It wasn't until 10.2 or 10.3 that the 'spinning beach ball' became a thing of the past. And if you go back further - MacOS 7.5 or MacOS 8 - you had incessant bomb dialogs (i.e. reset your machine) once a day or more.

The spinning beach ball is still very much there it just received a makeover in El Capitan
http://bgr.com/2015/10/01/os-x-el-capitan-beach-ball-icon/

 

[Guyfromtheswamp]

then i'm glad i'm someone in the middle, who discusses issues (and asks for help when needed), or points out to whiners when an issue isn't everybody's...

Lol. All I’ll say is that how some people percieve themselves and how they actually come across to others are sometimes two very different things.

 

[F1Mac]

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The spinning beach ball is still very much there it just received a makeover in El Capitan
http://bgr.com/2015/10/01/os-x-el-capitan-beach-ball-icon/

I don’t he was referring to the icon though.

 

[Guy Clark]

I don’t he was referring to the icon though.

Indeed I believe he was suggesting it no longer appears which is simply not the case. It was most certainly prevalent in Yosemite and El Capitan.

 

[bopajuice]

Clearly you never used Windows ME or Vista.

I've been running High Sierra since the late beta releases, and find it to be pretty solid. I have multiple Macs, including a 2012 Mini that I use as my media server to my network... all have been updated to High Sierra and things work well... I stream a library of about 8,000 songs, 300 television episodes and over 400 movies to the 3 AppleTVs in my home without issue.

And the whole "Steve is spinning in his grave" meme is old. He had his share of misses... funny how we canonize the past and vilified the current. I guess "short memory syndrome" is a good thing for some people.

I dont see how comparing ME or Vista to Windows 10 or High Sierra is even remotely relevant. Kind of like saying well the Ford Mustang sucks because they also made the Pinto.

 

[fisherking]

Lol. All I’ll say is that how some people percieve themselves and how they actually come across to others are sometimes two very different things.

true. but am pointing out my behavior, not how i see myself (and am not worried about how others see me).

 

[AZhappyjack]

I dont see how comparing ME or Vista to Windows 10 or High Sierra is even remotely relevant. Kind of like saying well the Ford Mustang sucks because they also made the Pinto.

Perhaps... but the thesis of this entire thread is that "High Sierra is the worst OS ever"... since both Windows ME and Windows Vista were operating systems, they are germane to the conversation.

To your argument, it's true that Ford made both the Mustang and the Pinto (not to mention the Edsel), the quality or usability of one product doesn't necessarily reflect on the quality or usability of another, even from the same manufacturer.

 

[shafez]

Guys, What is the purpose of this thread? it is not going anywhere and not helping anyone solve any problem.

It all comes to personal opinions, If you like it and it serve you needs keep it, other wise leave and go back to the version you like because this thread will not make Apple change anything.

 

[Plutonius]

I don't ask for much out of my Mac Mini and MacBook except to be able to stream my iTunes content from my mini to my Mac Book at night. Since iTunes got updated and I was dumb enough to put High Sierra on both of these devices this use case has completely become flaky. Every night I have to restart iTunes. Sometimes no matter what it just doesn't work.

It isn't just my MaBook having issues streaming iTunes content. The Apple TV 4 doesn't work at all with iTunes streaming any more.

This is the type of thing that is like nails on a chalk board for me. The lack of testing and breaking of the integration between devices is enough for me to look at other devices for content on the TV. It's enough for me to say I'm not buying another Mac ever. Which is fine because their computers are over priced for the hardware anyways and Tim seems to like soldering everything on.

Good job Tim. You took a long time fan of Apple and in 7 short years you have converted me to anything but Apple.

So much for High Sierra being about making it as stable as the days of Snow Leopard. Steve must be rolling in his grave.

I'm not sure if it's the worst ever but I consider it much worse then Sierra.
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Guys, What is the purpose of this thread? it is not going anywhere and not helping anyone solve any problem.

It all comes to personal opinions, If you like it and it serve you needs keep it, other wise leave and go back to the version you like because this thread will not make Apple change anything.

Agreed. I'm sticking with it but have decided to no longer upgrade MacOS or IOS (yearly major updates) unless forced to.

 

[Keukasmallie]

Absolutely. I think we're really putting on the rose-tinted glasses if we think current macOS versions are the worst ever.

The early versions of OSX were horribly slow. It wasn't until 10.2 or 10.3 that the 'spinning beach ball' became a thing of the past. And if you go back further - MacOS 7.5 or MacOS 8 - you had incessant bomb dialogs (i.e. reset your machine) once a day or more.

Yikes! Not on my early 2011 MBP. Since upgrading to High Sierra I've seen the beach ball rotate so often I think I'm at the shore. At the most unusual times, and often for the longest time, it just rolls along as I chase it around the screen hoping to find a place to click and cause it to "deflate."

Any suggestions about a remedy...?

 

[Plutonius]

The reason is clear: By the time 10.6.8 came out, that OS had already been the current OS for almost 2 FULL YEARS. Now that Apple insists that every one of their OS's gets a major revision every single year, they're not as solid.

Hmm, anyone else agree there 'might' be a connection?

Perhaps, but I think it's more than that.

Some of the recent bugs are very blatant and should have been discovered during testing.

I may be cynical but I think that Apple has cut down on testing with the thought that the general population will test it. The gold candidate is really just a beta version now.

 

[Altis]

Meh trust me Windows is worse when it comes to things breaking from updates and random bugs.

That may have once been true, perhaps.

But these days, it seems updates have been far more sorted out and don't break installed software. In fact, with Windows I can run software from the 90s without a problem; pretty amazing in my opinion. Not as true for Windows Server and specialized software, mind you.

Meanwhile, macOS (and iOS) updates regularly break applications (such as the Adobe suite) or introduce system bugs (wifi problems, etc).

I still really dislike the direction of both Microsoft and Apple's update policies, which are more and more forced and permanent.

 

[piperbarb]

I have a mid-2010 MacBook Pro 13" (core 2 duo & 16GB RAM) that I bought new in 2010 (but only had 4GB at the time). I always did a fresh install when a new version of MacOS came out and never had problems. I did a fresh install of High Sierra on this laptop and it was the most painful, slow install I had experienced, short of Windows when I became Windows-free in 2010. I also did fresh installs of High Sierra on a late-2013 MBP 15" (max3ed out version) and a late-2013 MBA (maxed out version). the MBP-15 and the MBA run beautifully with High Sierra. I cannot say that for my poor MBP-13. Boot-up alone took almost 10 minutes every time. Battery time was abysmal. Overall, the whole system was slow and not as usable as it had been under Sierra.

I ended up wiping the drive and putting Ubuntu Mate 17.10 on it, and it's running along like a happy camper and battery time is much better. It had reached it's end-of-life for MacOS but it's fine with Ubuntu. It's sad that I could no longer use the MBP-13 for MacOS because it still functions perfectly and has no hardware issues.

 

[gobikerider]

I have a mid-2010 MacBook Pro 13" (core 2 duo & 16GB RAM) that I bought new in 2010 (but only had 4GB at the time). I always did a fresh install when a new version of MacOS came out and never had problems. I did a fresh install of High Sierra on this laptop and it was the most painful, slow install I had experienced, short of Windows when I became Windows-free in 2010. I also did fresh installs of High Sierra on a late-2013 MBP 15" (max3ed out version) and a late-2013 MBA (maxed out version). the MBP-15 and the MBA run beautifully with High Sierra. I cannot say that for my poor MBP-13. Boot-up alone took almost 10 minutes every time. Battery time was abysmal. Overall, the whole system was slow and not as usable as it had been under Sierra.

I ended up wiping the drive and putting Ubuntu Mate 17.10 on it, and it's running along like a happy camper and battery time is much better. It had reached it's end-of-life for MacOS but it's fine with Ubuntu. It's sad that I could no longer use the MBP-13 for MacOS because it still functions perfectly and has no hardware issues.

That’s not a fair comparison, put a SSD in the 13” and you’d see equal perfomance as your other Macs that are both Flash based mind you.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

So much for High Sierra being about making it as stable as the days of Snow Leopard. Steve must be rolling in his grave.

You must have not been around for 10.0, 10.1, 10.2. 10.0 and 10.1 we’re especially unusable. High Sierra is perfection in comparison. Steve may be rolling in his grave but not over High Sierra. I think if you really were a Mac fan you’d just roll back to Sierra. Not much s/w requires High Sierra.