iOS 11 and High Sierra have taught me to simply wait and properly evaluate these new releases. Until 11.2 my iPad Pro was borderline unusable between unstable apps and poor perfmance/lockups.
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High Sierra is the worst OS ever
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These threads crack me up. I maintain that MS-DOS 4.0 was the worst OS. Ever.
High Sierra runs flawlessly for me. Which, of course is a meaningless statement that says nothing about how it will work for you.
High Sierra runs flawlessly for me. Which, of course is a meaningless statement that says nothing about how it will work for you.
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and they crop up with each new OS (and will, sadly, continue to do so). seems many people can't separate their personal experiences from a 'universal' one, so, if they're having a bad day, it's a bad day for all of us.
I am not comparing the MBP-13 to my other 2 MacBooks. I was comparing it to itself after repacing Sierra with High Sierra. I expected it to take a bit longer, but 10 minutes boot-up time for High Sierra is a bit much, along with some programs running more slowly than they did with Sierra using the same hard drive. Also, as I stated, battery time was less than it was with Sierra.
I know that an SSD makes a difference, that was not the issue. Also, there is a big difference in processing time between a core 2 duo and and i7, so the MBP-13 is expected to be slower overall. I know that and expected that but a 10 minute boot-up time is not acceptable, as far as I am concerned.
For me Yosemite was by far the worst operating system I ever used. Even though I made a clean install I had lots of memory leaks and the performance was so bad that I didn't get more the 3FPS at Mission control. I couldn't even move the new blurry safari window around without lagging behind. The system was extremely slow and unoptimised. Contrast on buttons was also very bad. And do you guys remember all those font rendering issues?
High Sierra is by far not perfect but it is still better than Yosemite. Kinda like the new Metal display server because I'm getting way more frames out of my Intel HD 4000. But the menu bar glitch with fullscreen applications, lots of crashes and the missing support of APFS for fusion drives really bugs me.
High Sierra is by far not perfect but it is still better than Yosemite. Kinda like the new Metal display server because I'm getting way more frames out of my Intel HD 4000. But the menu bar glitch with fullscreen applications, lots of crashes and the missing support of APFS for fusion drives really bugs me.
In my experience Yosemite was much worse, but I will agree that High Sierra has its fair share of problems. Once or twice a week I have to reboot to fix some stupid thing. Most recently I couldn’t open a dmg file and it worked fine after a restart.
El Capitan was the best of the recent versions IMO. I’d still be using it if it wasn’t because I can’t downgrade on my new iMac.
El Capitan was the best of the recent versions IMO. I’d still be using it if it wasn’t because I can’t downgrade on my new iMac.
and they crop up with each new OS (and will, sadly, continue to do so). seems many people can't separate their personal experiences from a 'universal' one, so, if they're having a bad day, it's a bad day for all of us.
I'm sure these people do this just for fun. Or maybe they really hate Apple. Maybe both at once? I can't think of any other reason.
That's prime example of good manners and high culture.
I agree, this thread has no point. The title is a clickbait and it serves no purpose. HOWEVER, considering the number of issues people report in other threads (see, these are real life examples, not mystical 'universal' experience) and comparing numbers with past macOS versions, one could say that High Sierra in fact IS the worst macOS version in recent years (in his/her opinion).
something's wrong, that's not reasonable. you should check out your startup items (an app like etrecheck should help); maybe reinstall the OS; or reset nvram/the power manager. something specific is happening there... and worth troubleshooting...
I'm not sure that it is necessarily the 'worst OS ever', but my experience has certainly been that it is more buggy than any previous releases that I've used. I don't recall ever having as many issues as I have with this release - and each Mac seems to have something different...
I also think that Apple's management and support to resolve such bugs has become more obstructionist. I have lodged Bug Reports on a couple of serious matters I've experienced that has made one of my Macs unusable, but each time they are closed as 'duplicates'. Of course, the veil of secrecy kicks in and the automated response is that you do not get access to the duplicate report, so you have no way of knowing what, if any, the resolution is.
When I've questioned this each time, I've been told that they cannot give me the information from the other bug report for privacy reasons, but if the problem is still occurring, then lodge a new bug report. I do this, provide the SysDiagnose and within 48 hours the new bug report is also closed as a duplicate.
I guess it shouldn't matter anyway, as this particular Mac is running Server which we've now been advised won't be the same later this year... So the resolution from Apple appears to be that it is all just too hard so let's drop the product, at which time they can close the bugs by claiming it is no longer a supported product.
I also think that Apple's management and support to resolve such bugs has become more obstructionist. I have lodged Bug Reports on a couple of serious matters I've experienced that has made one of my Macs unusable, but each time they are closed as 'duplicates'. Of course, the veil of secrecy kicks in and the automated response is that you do not get access to the duplicate report, so you have no way of knowing what, if any, the resolution is.
When I've questioned this each time, I've been told that they cannot give me the information from the other bug report for privacy reasons, but if the problem is still occurring, then lodge a new bug report. I do this, provide the SysDiagnose and within 48 hours the new bug report is also closed as a duplicate.
I guess it shouldn't matter anyway, as this particular Mac is running Server which we've now been advised won't be the same later this year... So the resolution from Apple appears to be that it is all just too hard so let's drop the product, at which time they can close the bugs by claiming it is no longer a supported product.
nothing like facts to make a case. btw, 'duplicate' means others have reported the same issue, nothing more (or less). and apple can't 'drop the product'; whatever comes next (aka 10.14) will be an evolution of what preceeds it.
conspiracy theories never get tired...
Guess that goes both ways - from the Bug Report:
"The original report on this issue, Bug ID 36887900, is closed as resolved". Problem is, it isn't resolved because the problem still exists...
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That is true from the perspective of the OS, but when Apple decide to drop a bunch of key services from Server then it doesn't bode well for fixing any bugs that currently exist in it.
Please allow me to wrap this thread up by suggesting that the OP saying High Sierra is the "worst ever OS", he was merely using the phrase as an expression, such as, you know, "OMG, this coffee is the worst ever" after coming out of a Starbucks with a brand new barista", or coming out of a movie theater after spending $15 and 2 hours watching the movie The Shape of Water.
Alternatively, here is some basic math that I have checked, re-checked, and checked again:
10.12 > 10.13
Finally, I have an idea for a bumper sticker: "Friends don't let friends upgrade to High Sierra"
You're welcome. I wish I'd come up with this sooner.
Alternatively, here is some basic math that I have checked, re-checked, and checked again:
10.12 > 10.13
Finally, I have an idea for a bumper sticker: "Friends don't let friends upgrade to High Sierra"
You're welcome. I wish I'd come up with this sooner.
how about a bumper sticker like this: "whatever the current mac os, this one's the worst". then you'll never have to remove it, and whiners for all the ages will have a bumper sticker that always speaks the truth.
Every year.......these threads......it's like the black cat in The Matrix...
It's just an OS. Jeez. Don't upgrade too early and/or wait for the next one.
It's just an OS. Jeez. Don't upgrade too early and/or wait for the next one.
I’ve has slightly different experiences than that. I have done OS upgrades since SL on this same install then CCC or SD the image to other Macs I have. I generally don’t believe there’s a upgave V fresh install issue in most user cases. It’s probably something in your user account that’s incompatible.
Clearly you never used Windows ME or Vista.
I've been running High Sierra since the late beta releases, and find it to be pretty solid. I have multiple Macs, including a 2012 Mini that I use as my media server to my network... all have been updated to High Sierra and things work well... I stream a library of about 8,000 songs, 300 television episodes and over 400 movies to the 3 AppleTVs in my home without issue.
And the whole "Steve is spinning in his grave" meme is old. He had his share of misses... funny how we canonize the past and vilified the current. I guess "short memory syndrome" is a good thing for some people.
I can't remember Windows ME too much, but my goodness Windows Vista was HORRIBLE. I haven't been running High Sierra yet because I'm not sure if it's gonna make my computer deteriorate faster. Recently, I purchased a 2015 MBP from my local Apple Store and I'm trying to make it last as long as possible. So I'm kind of holding out until all the kinks and bugs from High Sierra are cleared out before I update.
how about a bumper sticker like this: "whatever the current mac os, this one's the worst". then you'll never have to remove it, and whiners for all the ages will have a bumper sticker that always speaks the truth.
No, that simply wouldn't be truthful. 10.7 wasn't the worst upon initial release. Neither was 10.8 through 10.11. I always ran the latest until Sierra. 10.11.6 was the last great OS X version as far as I'm concerned and I'm only running Sierra because I'm forced to due to El Cap not being supported on my Mac.
I steered clear of Sierra because I noticed a flood of threads like these, and I also didn't like the way Apple was taking their operations regarding privacy. My brief stint on High Sierra can be explained as a leftover reflexive mistake to always want to run the latest OS.
I think it's safe to say that RC 10.13.3 has cured me of that obsession for good, so High Sierra did have one useful aspect to it after all.
my point is, with every new mac os release, these forums are flooded with posts about 'worst os ever', 'don't upgrade!' etc, ad infinitum. and, like all oses, HS moves forward, and gets better (the 10.13.4 beta 4 is pretty great).
you speak for yourself, of course, as do others who rant about each new os. am not denying that they have issues, (i've had some serious ones along the way), just pointing out (again), that we don't all have these issues... and that each os gets better with point updates.
And as soon as it matures, 10.14 will come out with a bunch of new bugs. Staying for a time on older (while still supported) OS might be wiser.
sure, might be... or not. there are always bugs, always people with issues... as it's been (and may always be). so, even an older os has issues for some. meanwhile, am getting my work done, enjoying stability, functionality... and my apps work (most important of all).
anyway, whatever works.
Yea, and that's just it. My app didn't work, and the app was iMovie! lol...And I'm not saying that High Sierra didn't otherwise run ok, but that's just it, I don't want "ok". I want better, more stable, and if there are new features, it would be nice if they worked too.
ok. but imovie's fine here (i just tried it out), so, it's your experience, and not representative of HS for everyone...