High Sierra is the worst OS ever

[Heat_Fan89]

Yea, and that's just it. My app didn't work, and the app was iMovie! lol...And I'm not saying that High Sierra didn't otherwise run ok, but that's just it, I don't want "ok". I want better, more stable, and if there are new features, it would be nice if they worked too.

I'm also finding HS somewhat buggy. I find Safari crashing on my Mac Mini with 8GB of ram. Sometimes when it's in sleep mode the power light goes out and the only way to get it out of sleep mode is to press the power button which then gives me a faded white screen and whatever I was doing in the background. I wait for around 5 secs and everything comes back to normal.

Windows 10 x64 OTOH has been rock solid on every PC i've installed it on, including two 11 year old laptops.

 

[Merode]

ok. but imovie's fine here (i just tried it out), so, it's your experience, and not representative of HS for everyone...

Oh, come on now. You're crossing the line. iMovie has always been unstable, no matter what macOS or OS X version. You turning it on now for 5 minutes and not doing any real work is not proof of anything. I can't remember creating any video without at least a couple crashes.

Same goes for FCP X. That's not my just experience - hear out people who use this software daily, like MKBHD. It' also always been unstable, but 10.13(.0) has reached new standards: Twitter


Really pal, this thread is useless but even with its idiocy, your posts add the least to the discussion. Do you honestly expect people who have no issues to come to the forums and discuss their happiness (except for yourself)? Of course in the forums you'll mostly find people who ran into issues and seek help. Sometimes they just want to voice their irritation with software which worked great before (10.12) and was suddenly broken with new OS (10.13) for the sake of a few non-essential features? Or are you trying prove these people wrong and explain them that all their issues are just illusions?

Honestly, what is your purpose here?

PS.: Do you also believe that any sentence written here by anyone was intended as general truth that applies to everyone? Or do we have to end each sentence with '(...) in my opinion' for your satisfaction?

 

[fisherking]

Oh, come on now. You're crossing the line. iMovie has always been unstable, no matter what macOS or OS X version. You turning it on now for 5 minutes and not doing any real work is not proof of anything. I can't remember creating any video without at least a couple crashes.

Same goes for FCP X. That's not my just experience - hear out people who use this software daily, like MKBHD. It' also always been unstable, but 10.13(.0) has reached new standards: Twitter


Really pal, this thread is useless but even with its idiocy, your posts add the least to the discussion. Do you honestly expect people who have no issues to come to the forums and discuss their happiness (except for yourself)? Of course in the forums you'll mostly find people who ran into issues and seek help. Sometimes they just want to voice their irritation with software which worked great before (10.12) and was suddenly broken with new OS (10.13) for the sake of a few non-essential features? Or are you trying prove these people wrong and explain them that all their issues are just illusions?

Honestly, what is your purpose here?

PS.: Do you also believe that any sentence written here by anyone was intended as general truth that applies to everyone? Or do we have to end each sentence with '(...) in my opinion' for your satisfaction?

first of all, i don't use imovie because i work with FCPX. which is fine, and has been, for some time. and all i am doing is trying to point out the difference between a universal issue many or most have, and issues some have.

people tend to post here as if what they're experiencing speaks for everyone, and it mostly doesn't. if an issue doesn't apply to everyone, claiming it does is pointless. and i like ending sentences with...

finally, as i've said before, we go thru the same thing with each new OS ("10.x is the worst OS ever", "don't install 10.x, ir will kill your mac", etc etc).

if someone is having an issue, this is a great place to get help. if someone wants to rant, i'm happy to point this out.

 

[whatRubicon]

why do people post things like this? "Snow Leopard was the last Mac OS X/OS X/macOS version that people unanimously agreed was a stable bug-free release."

which people? what about macusers who came on board after snow leopard? so tiresome to see people endlessly post their opinions and experiences as if they speak for everyone.

anyway, as an audio pro, am having a stellar experience on HS (to be fair, or not.. i run all the betas, so am closer to 10.13.4 than the current 10.13.3); and, as these forums have proved for years, every new OS is the worst, and best OS... depending on your experience.

AFPS doesn't even do raid so good luck updating if you have a raid setup. Screw high Sierra !!

 

[Merode]

first of all, i don't use imovie because i work with FCPX. which is fine, and has been, for some time. and all i am doing is trying to point out the difference between a universal issue many or most have, and issues some have.

• And yet you tune in to point out that iMovie works fine, while not having knowledge or experience in the matter
• And yet you ignore my objective proof of universal High Sierra issue at launch with FCP X

people tend to post here as if what they're experiencing speaks for everyone, and it mostly doesn't. if an issue doesn't apply to everyone, claiming it does is pointless. and i like ending sentences with...

It's really hard to judge the tone of person's writing on Internet forum. You see what you want to see. You don't factor in people's irritation.

finally, as i've said before, we go thru the same thing with each new OS ("10.x is the worst OS ever", "don't install 10.x, ir will kill your mac", etc etc).

if someone is having an issue, this is a great place to get help. if someone wants to rant, i'm happy to point this out.

You've completely ignored and dodged my post. This is pointless, I'm out.

PS.: +10 Internet points for italicized work at FCP X. Same here, but it's not like FCP X is now rocket science.

 

[fisherking]

• And yet you tune in to point out that iMovie works fine, while not having knowledge or experience in the matter
• And yet you ignore my objective proof of universal High Sierra issue at launch with FCP X

It's really hard to judge the tone of person's writing on Internet forum. You see what you want to see. You don't factor in people's irritation.


You've completely ignored and dodged my post. This is pointless, I'm out.

PS.: +10 Internet points for italicized work at FCP X. Same here, but it's not like FCP X is now rocket science.

not sure what you're on about. i've been working with FCPX on HS, and am fine. am not saying people don't have issues, am saying that i don't, so... not everyone does. and being irritated is certainly justified when something doesn't work, but, again, asking for help is surely more useful then just ranting.

btw, i enjoy using ellipses and italics, and will continue to do so.

 

[varian55zx]

Nope, OP is 100% correct. High Sierra is the worst iteration of macOS ever created, by far.

I've never hated something so much that Apple has put out before. Now, due to High Sierra, I will never purchase a Mac ever again, and I am a lifetime Mac user, and the owner of an Apple authorized reseller!

Steve Jobs really picked a loser to replace him, and I am absolutely disgusted in the direction that Apple has gone! You have lost a customer for life! great job

 

[bopajuice]

It's bad enough that I'm looking at Windows 10 again.

 

[foliovision]

I cannot say that for my poor MBP-13. Boot-up alone took almost 10 minutes every time. Battery time was abysmal. Overall, the whole system was slow and not as usable as it had been under Sierra.

I ended up wiping the drive and putting Ubuntu Mate 17.10 on it, and it's running along like a happy camper and battery time is much better. It had reached it's end-of-life for MacOS but it's fine with Ubuntu. It's sad that I could no longer use the MBP-13 for MacOS because it still functions perfectly and has no hardware issues.

I would have just put Snow Leopard back on that MBP-13. I'm still running Snow Leopard very happily on an 11 inch 1.4 GHz MBA from 2009 or 2010. Had to turn off

Did move my MBP17 2008 to El Capitan (along with most of my other rig) and it's working fine. Planned to keep it on Snow Leopard as well but when GF's MBP was in for service had to clone in her drive so she could keep working and she was on El Capitan.

I skipped Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite after putting each one on a test machine. Mountain Lion passed testing but by the time I was ready to put it on my systems, applications were already requiring 10.9 or 10.10. Yosemite failed testing (mainly due to network bugs which were later partially resolved but also due to a lot of spinning beach balls). El Capitan has been a smooth upgrade from Snow Leopard. Managed to get more than five happy productive years out of Snow Leopard and it looks like (based on the High Sierra reports) that El Capitan will be playing the same long term role. Tempted to try Sierra to get FCPX 10.4.
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No, that simply wouldn't be truthful. 10.7 wasn't the worst upon initial release. Neither was 10.8 through 10.11. I always ran the latest until Sierra. 10.11.6 was the last great OS X version as far as I'm concerned and I'm only running Sierra because I'm forced to due to El Cap not being supported on my Mac.

I think it's safe to say that RC 10.13.3 has cured me of that obsession for good, so High Sierra did have one useful aspect to it after all.

To be honest, 10.7 may have been worse than High Sierra. Like 10.13, Lion followed a stable and well-liked OS version, Snow Leopard. Mountain Lion was again pretty solid. So Yosemite was awful (don't have any experience with 10.9 Mavericks but remember reading about performance issues and older software compatibility issues which did not affect Mountain Lion). El Capitan is very good. Sierra gets relatively decent reports (no personal experience) so this is an unusual situation where there are good back to back releases.

Lloyd Chambers Mac Performance Guide includes detailed notes on all the broken pro features and bugs of the latest OS. He's been working overtime on Sierra and High Sierra.

 

[happysymptom]

If you have an NVIDIA card, HS is not for you. I have a 750GT (mid 2014 machine), and I get better/smoother UI performance on a 2012 MBP w/ integrated graphics.

10.13.4 made it bearable, but it's still terribly laggy.

 

[Crunch]

To be honest, 10.7 may have been worse than High Sierra. Like 10.13, Lion followed a stable and well-liked OS version, Snow Leopard. Mountain Lion was again pretty solid. So Yosemite was awful (don't have any experience with 10.9 Mavericks but remember reading about performance issues and older software compatibility issues which did not affect Mountain Lion). El Capitan is very good. Sierra gets relatively decent reports (no personal experience) so this is an unusual situation where there are good back to back releases.

Lloyd Chambers Mac Performance Guide includes detailed notes on all the broken pro features and bugs of the latest OS. He's been working overtime on Sierra and High Sierra.

I agree that 10.8 was better than 10.7, and Mavericks was a good OS as far as I'm concerned.

I only WISH I could still be running El Capitan, but I have to run at least Sierra with my current MacBook Pro, and I'm not happy with it.

The Mac App Store has recently reminded me that the latest iMovie version "is no longer compatible" with Sierra! HAHAHA, what a joke! It's just Apple, once again, FORCING us to upgrade to their latest, but not greatest, although I'm almost at the point of re-upgrading to High Sierra due to the various issues on Sierra.

I've already started looking at ThinkPads again, which I used for 10 years before switching to the Mac in 2010.

If you have an NVIDIA card, HS is not for you. I have a 750GT (mid 2014 machine), and I get better/smoother UI performance on a 2012 MBP w/ integrated graphics.

10.13.4 made it bearable, but it's still terribly laggy.

How is 10.13.4 compared to .3, etc.? What works better on it now vs. previous versions? Do you use APFS or staying with HFS+? I'm thinking of re-upgrading to High Sierra but NOT converting to APFS.

As for your NVIDIA problem, have you tried the web drivers or whatever they're called?? They seem to fit the bill for a lot of other people in your situation.

It's bad enough that I'm looking at Windows 10 again.

You, too??? I've never run Windows 10, and from what I've read about it, it's a complete s**t-bag when it comes to privacy. macOS may still be the best OS (or the least crappy one) when it comes to privacy.

I wonder where Linux fits in here. Looking at some of the distros' logos, however, makes my stomach turn.

 

[thadoggfather]

I would have just put Snow Leopard back on that MBP-13. I'm still running Snow Leopard very happily on an 11 inch 1.4 GHz MBA from 2009 or 2010. Had to turn off

Did move my MBP17 2008 to El Capitan (along with most of my other rig) and it's working fine. Planned to keep it on Snow Leopard as well but when GF's MBP was in for service had to clone in her drive so she could keep working and she was on El Capitan.

I skipped Lion, Mountain Lion, Mavericks and Yosemite after putting each one on a test machine. Mountain Lion passed testing but by the time I was ready to put it on my systems, applications were already requiring 10.9 or 10.10. Yosemite failed testing (mainly due to network bugs which were later partially resolved but also due to a lot of spinning beach balls). El Capitan has been a smooth upgrade from Snow Leopard. Managed to get more than five happy productive years out of Snow Leopard and it looks like (based on the High Sierra reports) that El Capitan will be playing the same long term role. Tempted to try Sierra to get FCPX 10.4.
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To be honest, 10.7 may have been worse than High Sierra. Like 10.13, Lion followed a stable and well-liked OS version, Snow Leopard. Mountain Lion was again pretty solid. So Yosemite was awful (don't have any experience with 10.9 Mavericks but remember reading about performance issues and older software compatibility issues which did not affect Mountain Lion). El Capitan is very good. Sierra gets relatively decent reports (no personal experience) so this is an unusual situation where there are good back to back releases.

Lloyd Chambers Mac Performance Guide includes detailed notes on all the broken pro features and bugs of the latest OS. He's been working overtime on Sierra and High Sierra.

If memory serves el cap was almost good to go out the gate, the last few of Sierra were good but it was a bumpy start, and high Sierra a consistent mess.

I could be off base but

 

[flowrider]

If you have an NVIDIA card, HS is not for you. I have a 750GT (mid 2014 machine), and I get better/smoother UI performance on a 2012 MBP w/ integrated graphics.

10.13.4 made it bearable, but it's still terribly laggy.

Your are speaking for yourself. I have an Nvidia GTX 1080 Gaming in my cMP 5,1. Using the latest Nvidia Web Drivers is causing absolutely no issues for me with HS 10.13.4. NONE!!!!!

Lou

 

[Donfor39]

Meh trust me Windows is worse when it comes to things breaking from updates and random bugs.

I suffer Win10 auto updates at work-for hours-very inconvenient.

 

[Crunch]

Oh jeez, look at this: 10.13.4 broke compatibility with DisplayLink and other wireless USB devices. Do these updates ever FIX anything???

https://plugable.com/2018/03/30/macos-10-13-4-disables-displaylink-duet-display-devices/

To the point where Plugable had to dedicate its very first line on its homepage to Apple's latest screw-up! How embarrassing. And I just stumbled on this, so this is from March 30, and it's May 17 today and it's STILL up! LOLOL! #FAIL #INCOMPETENCE

@happysymptom said "Ohh, well, since the .4 update, things are sorta working." What the hell kind of standard is that? I thought every last pixel had to be juuuuust right, or the shade of a color would have to be perfect, etc. This was the old Steve Jobs Apple, although people were having similar issues during the 2000s as well. Still, this is not what I signed up for, but oh boy, typing on my gorgeous 2016 MacBook Pro sure is a joy. I happen to LOVE the keyboard but I've only been using it a month so I hope it won't break down on me, as it has for so many.

Sorry for the digression and the rant. But with High Sierra, the next iteration that's usually called an update, 10.13.5, might very well be another significant downgrade.

 

[fisherking]

Oh jeez, look at this: 10.13.4 broke compatibility with DisplayLink and other wireless USB devices. Do these updates ever FIX anything???

https://plugable.com/2018/03/30/macos-10-13-4-disables-displaylink-duet-display-devices/

To the point where Plugable had to dedicate its very first line on its homepage to Apple's latest screw-up! How embarrassing. And I just stumbled on this, so this is from March 30, and it's May 17 today and it's STILL up! LOLOL! #FAIL #INCOMPETENCE

@happysymptom said "Ohh, well, since the .4 update, things are sorta working." What the hell kind of standard is that? I thought every last pixel had to be juuuuust right, or the shade of a color would have to be perfect, etc. This was the old Steve Jobs Apple, although people were having similar issues during the 2000s as well. Still, this is not what I signed up for, but oh boy, typing on my gorgeous 2016 MacBook Pro sure is a joy. I happen to LOVE the keyboard but I've only been using it a month so I hope it won't break down on me, as it has for so many.

Sorry for the digression and the rant. But with High Sierra, the next iteration that's usually called an update, 10.13.5, might very well be another significant downgrade.

how's your poll going? & you're making an assumption about 10.13.5; the beta's doing very well on my humble 2 macs. btw, it's now 'mac os', not os x...

 

[Crunch]

how's your poll going? & you're making an assumption about 10.13.5; the beta's doing very well on my humble 2 macs. btw, it's now 'mac os', not os x...

How's my poll com...??? I don't know. I haven't looked at the thread. Oh boy, I wonder what's that about.

Anywho, yea, I know macOS blah blah, I don't care. I had more respect for OS X. As far as I'm concerned, the minute that they started calling it macOS, it turned to dog crap.

I guess I was spoiled after Windows Vista and all the constant updates on the PC, endless driver issues, but it was still fun to figure it all out. OS X was fantastic for me all these years until Sierra, and now High Sierra even worse!

And here's the kicker: I'm considering upgrading back to 10.13.5 when it drops. Oh well, maybe I'm expecting too much with this many Safari tabs open, but I thought I had 16GB of RAM, blazing fast SSD, and discrete graphics. And then 10-15fps on Finder. What a joke.

 

[fisherking]

How's my poll com...??? I don't know. I haven't looked at the thread. Oh boy, I wonder what's that about.

Anywho, yea, I know macOS blah blah, I don't care. I had more respect for OS X. As far as I'm concerned, the minute that they started calling it macOS, it turned to dog crap.

I guess I was spoiled after Windows Vista and all the constant updates on the PC, endless driver issues, but it was still fun to figure it all out. OS X was fantastic for me all these years until Sierra, and now High Sierra even worse!

And here's the kicker: I'm considering upgrading back to 10.13.5 when it drops. Oh well, maybe I'm expecting too much with this many Safari tabs open, but I thought I had 16GB of RAM, blazing fast SSD, and discrete graphics. And then 10-15fps on Finder. What a joke.

you started a poll, but haven't checked it? right. meanwhile, this sums up the whole problem with ranting:

"As far as I'm concerned, the minute that they started calling it macOS, it turned to dog crap."

 

[Crunch]

No, I really didn't know. I just checked what was the matter and apparently you're running a victory parade over it. Hey, I'm actually debating re-upgrading to High Sierra myself and would love to know what the positive changes in .5 will be. As of .4, it's a no-go for me, although I'm psyched about the eGPU support.

And I also stand by that statement: the minute that they started calling it macOS, it turned to dog crap.

I didn't put those two together until I responded to another user earlier just now. Apple started calling it macOS with Sierra's release, and how many times have I said "I wish I could still be running OS X 10.11.6!". Countless. So I'm not happy with either OS. My current thought is to perhaps re-upgrade to 10.13.5 but with HFS+ intact. Maybe it's the file system. Wouldn't that be a kick in the you know what.

Oh, and I don't have a problem with ranting. Sometimes it's really useful.

 

[TC_GoldRush]

I've been reading all these issues with High Sierra, and I'm beginning to wonder why any of you even bother updating your machines. I have a late 2012 iMac and it runs amazingly fast with OS X 10.9.5. Why fix what's not broken?

 

[smirking]

Why fix what's not broken?

Security issues man. Security issues. Besdies that, if you're running enough current day software a lot of the older OSes actually are broken.

 

[TC_GoldRush]

Security issues man. Security issues. Besdies that, if you're running enough current day software a lot of the older OSes actually are broken.

Never once ran into an issue, and run authentic software on my machine. Viruses aren't really an issue if you have an anti-virus, and are downloading material from non-third-party websites. If you get a virus today.. then most-likely.. it's your fault and you visited a page that you probably weren't supposed to.

 

[smirking]

Never once ran into an issue, and run authentic software on my machine. Viruses aren't really an issue if you have an anti-virus, and are downloading material from non-third-party websites. If you get a virus today.. then most-likely.. it's your fault and you visited a page that you probably weren't supposed to.

Well, I'm happy for you, but I'm a developer. I have to use a ton of software. I don't have the luxury of sitting on a favored release. Some of the programs I need wouldn't work on 10.9.x.

I've had minor issues with HS and just about every other Mac OS version including Snow Leopard. I know to expect headaches with OS upgrades, but they almost always smooth out within time. There'd be no advantage for someone like me to cling to an older OS. For what I need, 10.9 is broken permanently whereas the newer ones break and get fixed eventually.

 

[fisherking]

I've been reading all these issues with High Sierra, and I'm beginning to wonder why any of you even bother updating your machines. I have a late 2012 iMac and it runs amazingly fast with OS X 10.9.5. Why fix what's not broken?

but couldn't that equally apply to someone on 10.6.8? or a new mac on 10.13.4? ie.. any mac, from any recent year, on any OS, that runs well?

to me, that's the point. one day, each OS will seem really old, and you'll be running something newer. it doesn't have to be the 'OS of the moment", but we all move forward eventually.

 

[GoodHealthIT]

I'm beginning to wonder why any of you even bother updating your machines.

Actually, I've stopped updating selected apps and will be cautious going forward - Server being the most critical that we will not be updating. Despite Apple saying that existing services would remain, they disappeared three times in our test environments. Now I'd just like to know how to stop the macs from prompting us to 'upgrade' Server (which is really a downgrade).