Not many applications or programs support 10.6.8 though. Snow Leopard is largely forgotten by most, while Mavericks is still largrly up to date on Applications.
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High Sierra is the worst OS ever
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my point is...
whatever OS one is running; if they're having a good experience, that's great. updating is not essential... until it is. so, while i LIKE keeping up-to-date (and am fully enjoying running HS), i don't care what anyone else does; as long as they can get their work done.
I just don't care anymore, reverted back to Sierra and I can do my work without problems.
THERE IS JUST ONE THING I WANT AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE:
Mark my words, this time Twitter will be filled with jokes about them when Cook goes up the stage and praises iOS and macOS just like every time, the best we created, the most installed software, very updates, much evolution. The root problem, beta iOS 11, High Sierra overall crappiness and the keyboard problem mentions will need to be avoided with a very straight face from their part.
THERE IS JUST ONE THING I WANT AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE:
Mark my words, this time Twitter will be filled with jokes about them when Cook goes up the stage and praises iOS and macOS just like every time, the best we created, the most installed software, very updates, much evolution. The root problem, beta iOS 11, High Sierra overall crappiness and the keyboard problem mentions will need to be avoided with a very straight face from their part.
and yet, many people (myself included) are using the ios betas and HS without issue; i still don't get how people don't understand that their experience (and this goes for me as well) doesn't speak for everyone.
did you consider troubleshooting and/or getting help with whatever problem you had on HS? there's a great community to get help; this one...
You will be proven correct. On the other hand, if you want gobs of snark and nasty comments, Twitter will never disappoint. Saying that Twitter will be displeased isn't a very high bar, you know.
Steve Jobs could come back from the dead and you'll still get just as much snark from the Twitterverse.
High Sierra was so dysfunctional and unstable it was deemed unusable in our company within three days time, and uninstalled & replaced with Sierra. From networking issues to backup problems to graphics trouble & hangs my god the hangs, it was a total productivity killer. Clean installs, all around, but the incomplete file system & numerous glitches made us decide to revert to the final release of 10.12. We'll upgrade to it once 10.13 completed, and mature, and Apple comes out with 10.14 for their customers to beta test.
Good question! Well, I was running happily on OS X 10.11.6 for the longest time, like you said, why upgrade? It ran so great! Then I buy a new MacBook Pro and boom, I'm forced to use Sierra. The laptop is pretty great though, so it's not super bad, just annoying sometimes. High Sierra is, unfortunately, still not ready for prime time. High Sierra .5 is coming up soon.
I don't think that's how it works... that there's a point at which 10.13.x is completed and 10.14.x is the only version getting updates. It's supposed to be complete when they release it, but additional releases are made to fix issues that only get discovered after deployment. This can happen well into 10.14.x's tenure as the active version.
I had some real significant issues when HS was first released, but I was able to hang in there until they were all resolved around 6 months in. I usually sit out the first 3 to 6 months of all releases because of bad experiences in the past.
By this point, most of the HS releases are for security reasons so if you're going to upgrade to HS at some point, you can probably safely do so now. There's no point in waiting for 10.14's release as your signal to move aboard 10.13.
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I usually do my Mac OS upgrade a week or so before the new one is issued, so, I will probably upgrade my MM(Late 2014),2.8GHz, 8GB Ram, 256GB SSD from Sierra to High Sierra a week or so before OS 11 issued some time in the early fall 2018.
I plan to stay-put on OS Sierra on my MM(Late 2012), 2.5GHz, 16GB Ram, 500GB HD.
My 1st thoughts when I saw the title and then came across your post.Clearly you never used Windows ME or Vista.
I have bought new MBP 15'' 2017 with TB which come preinstalled with High Sierra and boy, so many hangs and weird glitches I have had for the last 3 weeks I haven't had during the whole year on Sierra on my old MBP 15'' Late 2011.
Is it still true that newer Macs can't go back to older OS? Would it be possible to downgrade to Sierra on a Mac that shipped with High Sierra? Found various answers, so I'm kinda looking for a definitive one ))
Is it still true that newer Macs can't go back to older OS? Would it be possible to downgrade to Sierra on a Mac that shipped with High Sierra? Found various answers, so I'm kinda looking for a definitive one ))
have you contacted apple? if this is a new mbp, you should not be having hangs & glitches...
I have not, yet. I have not narrowed it down yet, so I do not know what would I tell them to figure out the problem. But I'm leaning towards the OS/Software issue instead of hardware issues.
Sometimes PHPStorm hangs, crashes, sometimes when I leave it on and put the MBP to sleep, it just wakes up with black screen, so I put it to sleep again wait a couple of secs, and then wake it up again - once logged in, PHPStorm is not responding...I personally think it's an issue with PHPStorm / High Sierra. Other time it just System Preferences takes like 10 seconds to open (while the icon is jumping in the dock). Next time it open in a split second. These kind of issues.
(At least) Two years cycle would make so much sense to me. Before they even make the OS usable (10.x.4+) there is another coming out...
Agreed. 10.0.0 had millions of issues and was unusable, as well as 10.2.8 (major issue with FireWire). 10.5.0 had many small odd glitches at release, 10.7 was a disaster, and Mavericks was a horrific mess. I'd never go back to any of the odd-numbered releases. 10.11 was the sole exception, by being stable overall, though.
This goes in accordance to all odd-numbered releases of the OS having issues, and the even-numbered releases being overall better. 10.6, 10.8, 10.10, and 10.12 were all rock solid in my experience. Hopefully 10.14 continues that trend. 10.13 was a bloody mess at the beginning, but is overall okay now, but still meh.
It seems like a trend, release new features, then next year is a sort of "Maintenance year" which just improves on the previous year and improves overall performance. Wouldn't it be easier to just release "new name OS" every other year? I do not want go way too much ahead, but there is a limited number of animals / mountains / other stuff on the Planet
So hopefully 10.14 will be an improvement performance/stability wise.
Clearly you never used Windows ME or Vista.
I've been running High Sierra since the late beta releases, and find it to be pretty solid. I have multiple Macs, including a 2012 Mini that I use as my media server to my network... all have been updated to High Sierra and things work well... I stream a library of about 8,000 songs, 300 television episodes and over 400 movies to the 3 AppleTVs in my home without issue.
And the whole "Steve is spinning in his grave" meme is old. He had his share of misses... funny how we canonize the past and vilified the current. I guess "short memory syndrome" is a good thing for some people.
I remember the frustration of OS 8.x and 9.x crashing and requiring restarts almost constantly. Drove me nuts. Every click was a gamble. If I click this, will the computer do it, or crash???
It may have been the software I was using. But, it was still frustrating. Much rarer occurrence these days compared to them. I tend to only restart my Macs when there’s an update that requires it. Compared to minutes apart in the old days.
Does that mean I think things are perfect??? Absolutely not. Refinement has been lost in recent years. But, I agree it’s not the worst ever.
Imagine today’s users turning on a computer and having it just blink at them waiting for them to enter something in machine language or hex. Yeah... it’s not so bad. Not great, and I have my complaints. But it’s definitely not the worst ever.
Yup.
My haswell box is currently unusable under windows 10 due to random power offs since I installed 1803. It's not hardware - as it's been running Linux 100% rock solid stable all month.
Strange... I’ve never had Windows 10 cause any problems. Every update has been smooth. At least on all my Xeon and Core2Duo systems.
The only machine that has ever given me trouble is an HP Laptop with an AMD processor. Never getting another AMD CPU or GPU again. They’re not what they used to be. Was a time I built every system with AMD processors (back in the K6 generation). The Athlons were fine too. But since the A4, A6, and A8 series I just haven’t seen the kind of performance they used to be known for. And drivers are problematic with their newer GPU’s. There was a time I would refuse to build systems with NVIDIA, and only used ATI.
It’s like the whole thing flipped. Not that Intel got significantly better. Just that AMD and ATI took a dive.
I hear that their latest stuff is supposed to be nice. But I’ve grown tired of being burned. So I probably won’t try them.
But aside from that, I’ve had amazing luck with Windows 10. It’s been impressive.
The OP and most here that moan that HS is the worst OS ever apparently never experienced the launch of OS 8 or Windoze 1.01, Vista likely takes the biscuit though. I beta tested Windoze 95, that was an experience ...
That said I have not installed High Sierra on anything here yet. Too early!
That said I have not installed High Sierra on anything here yet. Too early!
For me the worst was probably the one I started with: Mac OS 7.5.2 on a PowerMac 7500
That was 2 years before Steve Jobs got back at Apple. Good times ...Then the OS got better, slowly, but surely. The first OS X was barely useable but that was part of the transition.As for High Sierra, I think it's fine but it should perform on the same level, at least, as its predecessor, which it doesn't. I think Sierra was the first one, *for me*, where there was no real improvement over the previous version. I could use El Capitan and be perfectly fine with it, I don't use anything in Sierra that makes it a requirement, it's mainly to stay somewhat current, or at least not too old! I couldn't care less about the sharing with friends and family stupid stuff, I just want a solid, fast and reliable OS. In that regard, High Sierra, and Sierra to an extent, are a step backward compared to El Cap, obvioulsy they're much better than Yosemite but that's not particularly difficult
Hopefully, 10.14 will bring some real improvement(s) that will justify the upgrade. But as it is now, High Sierra is certainly not a must-have.
For me the worst was probably the one I started with: Mac OS 7.5.2 on a PowerMac 7500
As for High Sierra, I think it's fine but it should perform on the same level, at least, as its predecessor, which it doesn't. I think Sierra was the first one, *for me*, where there was no real improvement over the previous version. I could use El Capitan and be perfectly fine with it, I don't use anything in Sierra that makes it a requirement, it's mainly to stay somewhat current, or at least not too old! I couldn't care less about the sharing with friends and family stupid stuff, I just want a solid, fast and reliable OS. In that regard, High Sierra, and Sierra to an extent, are a step backward compared to El Cap, obvioulsy they're much better than Yosemite but that's not particularly difficult
Hopefully, 10.14 will bring some real improvement(s) that will justify the upgrade. But as it is now, High Sierra is certainly not a must-have.
on my 2 macs, HS runs better than sierra (just ask logic pro X); and (on the 10.13.5 beta), am happier with the os than i've been in years (by virtue of the fact that my apps run well, and am not thinking about the os)...