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I've been reviewing the Quest 3, but still don't get it. Does it already offer the same immersive experience that the Vision Pro offers, with "screens" floating in space? How well does that work? How do the Macs broadcast their screens?
You can do that with a monitor on a VESA monitor arm. I did that when I broke my leg and couldn't sit up for long. Typing is a bit difficult though when lying down, the headset won't change that.
Maybe using the virtual keyboard as it can be placed anywhere in your space. Dictation by placing the cursor with eye focus.
 
As I understand it, this is effectively just a screen share. What would be very powerful is the ability to create multiple desktops on the Mac and left each into VisionPro. My Mac would then effectively be able to access enormous screen area, rather than one copy of its screen, albeit a large scale version.

I think that is what you will be able to do. Meaning you could work anywhere with multiple “displays”.
 
Maybe using the virtual keyboard as it can be placed anywhere in your space. Dictation by placing the cursor with eye focus.
The issue when lying down is that either (a) the keyboard and hence your arms are up in the air, which becomes uncomfortable quickly and you can’t do it for very long (I also get shoulder pain from doing so), or (b) you have to have the keyboard down on your legs where you can’t see it. The latter can work with a physical keyboard, but it’s also less convenient than a normal upright ergonomic typing posture.
 
Sounds nice but I regularly have 10 Apps open on my Mac, will they each r=take up their own space in my virtual reality? Will I be able to move the one I am working in to the centre, and will I be constantly twisting my neck to look for the App I need?
The system uses eye tracking to detect what you are looking at with intent and brings it into focus. Gestures and voice commands will allow you to reorganize your apps as needed. They put a crazy amount of effort into this.
 
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If the Vision Pro can replace my Mac, I would buy it. I'm not going to buy this if I still need a separate Mac. I'll get a nice monitor then instead.

It has a M2 in it. So theoretically possible it has everything I need. As a webdeveloper, I need IntelliJ, terminal, Docker etc.

So it either needs to be able to run MacOS natively (very unlikely). Or run MacOS apps natively and have some sort of Finder (also I don't think this would happen). OR 3rd party apps for VisionOS that would allow me to do all my work, and possibly change my workflow a little bit (most likely).

Then there is of course the current greedy state of Apple, that will probably do anything in its power to sell you this thing alongside a Mac, iPhone, iPad and whatever. In the Steve Jobs era Apple wasn't so afraid of cannibalisation.
Each device has its own unique purpose, but they all work together and you can move between them seamlessly. They showed off a ton of apps, including many current Apple apps and Microsoft’s Office suite. Additionally they showed Zoom and other productivity solutions all running natively. If you are needing to do extensive video editing or mixing a music project which requires lots of memory or attached storage, you would need to have a mac for that but have the ability to leverage the VisionPro as well.
 
Latency becomes the question. They have Final Cut pictured above so possibly they have some magic worked out. My Quest Pro already allows 3 Macbook monitors with much less robust hardware so I am sure Apple will have a multi monitor soluition for this as well. With M2 and R1 all current apps should be possible native. That will be outstanding! I would order them for our whole team right now if they would let me.
I wish we could plug a Thunderbolt/USB-C cable from the Vision Pro into a Mac to have zero delay (latency) and an unlimited power supply. Since you will always have that cable attached to the VP, why not plug it into a Mac and benefit from it?
 
So just one display for the Mac? You can't pull out extra screens or apps into the unlimited workspace? Because I have to wonder how wireless connection could handle like a dozen 4K displays from the Mac at once. I always imagined you could have like 12 displays at once, one with your After Effects, three with Finder folders, one for Illustrator, another for InDeisgn, Photoshop, etc. And then have the whole setup saved as a "workspace" or whatever, and change to a different workspace, like different Desktops when you use Spaces. And it would be cool if those apps could just run 24/7 so your workspace is always set up how you want it and can conjure it up whenever you want. I guess we are still many years away from that being possible. Will Adobe need to ultimately make Vision OS native apps? Still so many questions about this..
 
Latency becomes the question. They have Final Cut pictured above so possibly they have some magic worked out. My Quest Pro already allows 3 Macbook monitors with much less robust hardware so I am sure Apple will have a multi monitor soluition for this as well. With M2 and R1 all current apps should be possible native. That will be outstanding! I would order them for our whole team right now if they would let me.
In the mean time, just order everyone on your team a Lucid. You are so generous and rich.
 
You really think Paramount/Universal etc are going to be making movies using the Apple headset? Is it even colour accurate, for example?

Yes. I think you may overestimate what fraction of the movie-making process requires super-accurate colour and resolution. The colourist department deals with that. The other 99% of people never get to see the content with its intended colour grading.
 
This is going to make way for streaming more powerful experiences from your Mac to Vision Pro that the headset can't handle alone. They just need to get the latency down enough.
 
As I understand it, this is effectively just a screen share. What would be very powerful is the ability to create multiple desktops on the Mac and left each into VisionPro. My Mac would then effectively be able to access enormous screen area, rather than one copy of its screen, albeit a large scale version.
Same here. I thought it would just be another stupid headset until I watched the keynote. I had planned on getting a new MacBook Pro at the end of the year. After seeing this, I am now considering a Mac Studio Ultra and a Vision Pro. If you start to look at the Vision Pro as a new type of display, this gets a lot more interesting. Although, I suspect the 2nd or 3rd version will be radically better.
 
It knows what is on the screen. If the view on the screen is the same as monitor 3 on Mac 2, that's the one.
What if the screens are the same or mirrored?
Or what if the view on the screen looks the same as something else I’m looking at that’s not a compatible Mac.
It could even blink the screen faster than most humans can see, with a special code.
If I’m working on a Mac, I wouldn’t want it to start blinking whenever someone with a Vision Pro looks at my screen.
 
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As I understand it, this is effectively just a screen share. What would be very powerful is the ability to create multiple desktops on the Mac and left each into VisionPro. My Mac would then effectively be able to access enormous screen area, rather than one copy of its screen, albeit a large scale version.
I’m sure this is coming, if it’s not already there yet. It would be pretty cool because you get the full Mac experience in your Vision Pro, not the gimped stuff. This mean you can launch and work with Terminal, tmux, Vim etc.

I’m sure someone will write a tiling window manager based on binary space partitioning for visionOS, just like yabai for macOS for the ultimate programming productivity.
 
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Since its a standalone device, why cant i just work on the Apple Vision?

Its the same ******** with iPads. Again, no standalone pro software, only Apps.

If i could work with full desktop apps on Apple Vision i would seriously think about it. But with this consumer focus like the ipad, no thank you.
 
What if the screens are the same?

If I’m working on a Mac, I wouldn’t want it to start blinking whenever someone with a Vision Pro looks at my screen.
If the screens are mirrored, who cares? Just pick one at random. As to the blinking, most people would not see a single frame at 120 cycles per second. You could even have a single dot show up on one corner, or have a very small shift in color for just 1/120th of a second or so, every three seconds.
 
$3,500 DOLLARS, you know Microsoft, Google and Meta failed at this. Who is going to pay $3500 DOLLARS for something that is not even available yet! No software has been developed for it, it is like the MX processors. I have had just about every Mac made with the new processors and I have two PCs that beat the pants off of Apple processors with the software that is available for the M series processors. I had to move back to Windows for the power I needed. Sorry Apple, I will not be in line for this failed headset.

I give credit where credit is due, Apple makes a good phone and watch. Apple TV with the Home Pod mini speaker is excellent. I wish Apple would just work harder to improve what they are good at and leave the innovation to companies that can handle it.
 
$3,500 DOLLARS, you know Microsoft, Google and Meta failed at this. Who is going to pay $3500 DOLLARS for something that is not even available yet!

Nobody. Because it's not available yet. When it's available, non-availabillity shouldn't be such a barrier to spending $3500 on it. Google failed at this because their product would get you assaulted. Meta haven't failed at it yet because their product is selling just fine despite all the Metaverse BS, and Microsoft, well they've failed at smartphones, portable music players and smartwatches, so...
 
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Even it was just for a part of a work day, I can see this offering a great option for ergonomics. The abilty to relax in a chair with your head at any angle that's comfortable could bring some relief to an otherwise static posture. We all now looking down at a laptop is not good on the neck.
I think we'll need to see how this plays out.

Weight and cords come to mind as potential irritants.

The device will have added weight to your head. Sit back in a chair, sure, but there will be weight on the front of your head that you will need to resist with your neck. Maybe it's good to lean back fully to get any added stress off your neck.

There's also a cord to a battery, and at best two hours battery life. There most certainly will be battery concerns at some point needing to plug in with a cord hanging off your chair/bed charged in to a wall.
 
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