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HP's webOS Reportedly Runs Significantly Faster on iPad 2 Than on TouchPad
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"HP informed its webOS team during an all-hands meeting yesterday that it remains committed to the platform..."
Well, ok. Meanwhile all those employees shuffled back to their cubicles and started updating the resume.
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Which begs the question I have not seen addressed: Does this move by HP also involve spinning/selling off their printer business?
Well, ok. Meanwhile all those employees shuffled back to their cubicles and started updating the resume.
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Which begs the question I have not seen addressed: Does this move by HP also involve spinning/selling off their printer business?
Who knows what their plans of WebOS are ? Maybe it makes more sense than you think. Displacing BB in the enterprise mobility sector ?
Maybe their plans for WebOS aren't consumer oriented at all.
No, the personal systems group is a seperate entity from the printing and imaging group.
A mess ? HP just re-centered themselves on exactly what lasts longer : The Enterprise market.
WebOS or printer cartridge ? Both of those are wrong. HP-UX boxes, Storage arrays and consulting/support services to install/configure/keep them running. That's what lasts longer and is more profitable.
HP is just making an exit from the consumer market it seems. They say they want to continue working on WebOS for OEMs, but it remains to be seen how that can be viable short/mid/long term.
My HP-UX boxes beg to differ. They are a very profitable niche to HP. Costly big-iron Unix doesn't need volume sales to be a very good product for a company like HP.
HP is ok but most of their enterprise products they just resell and rebrand. their SAN's are either Hitachi or Fujitsu. HP is like a giant QA department that just happens to market products made by smaller companies.
Steve Wozniak works for Fusion IO and HP resells their products as well.
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WOW, I had no idea HP made this crappy of things. I am in complete shock. I mean if you're going to give it a 1 ghz + processor and all this stuff dont you think you should make the os run on it well. HP I will never EVER buy anything from you ever since the dv9000 (look it up) You are one of the ********* electronics companies that is possible to exist omg
WOW, I had no idea HP made this crappy of things. I am in complete shock. I mean if you're going to give it a 1 ghz + processor and all this stuff dont you think you should make the os run on it well. HP I will never EVER buy anything from you ever since the dv9000 (look it up) You are one of the ********* electronics companies that is possible to exist omg
Actually, they license the hardware tech from Hitachi for the XP line-up, but most of the management software is HP original. They do resell the SAN switches either using McData or Broccade or whatever else is trendy at the moment.
Servers though are pure HP, built from their partnership with Intel on Itanium (HP is a big Itanium player, having helped design the CPU coming from their experience with PA-RISC).
I think you're grossly misrepresenting their enterprise offering, maybe showing a bit of a lack of knowledge about them. That's ok, it's pretty niche stuff and unless you've had a chance to work with it, you can't know about this stuff.
This is part of the doubling down. This move finally kills off the margin paranoid manufacturing accountants that has held Palm back all these years. Two of these guys in fact go all the way back with Jeff, Donna and the original Pilot. The irony is one of these guys was originally fired by HP before he went with the start-up Palm only to now get fired by HP again for the same margin squeeze manufacturing management practices.
The chronic behavior that they are purging is, instead of getting the top of the line processor, memory and screen, these Palm manufacturing accountants would typically get the best volume deal in parts. This increased the margin of the hardware with a trade off was knocking back system performance by sometimes one half. Modern mobile systems software can't afford that.
One typical line they said was "Just keep on firing software engineers 'til you get one that can squeeze out the right performance on this hardware design." Unlike, other system houses out here, criticizing hardware design while doing the low level software got many an engineer in trouble with so called "threatening margin." Management couldn't see that a faster product would increase volume and market share.
IMO, this is a good move. Shuck the old Palm hardware ninnies and unleash the software engineers on hardware worthy of their talent.
With all these news about HP leaving the PC HW industry, I'm surprised I didn't saw anything correlated with Compaq.
HP bought Compaq years ago. Compaq was a HW company. For me it's obvious that now HP just killed any Compaq flame that was still there...
HP bought Compaq years ago. Compaq was a HW company. For me it's obvious that now HP just killed any Compaq flame that was still there...
With all these news about HP leaving the PC HW industry, I'm surprised I didn't saw anything correlated with Compaq.
HP bought Compaq years ago. Compaq was a HW company. For me it's obvious that now HP just killed any Compaq flame that was still there...
Compaq was more than just a PC manufacturer. Guys, come on. Compaq brought a big server market to HP (the Proliant line) and Compaq brought a lot of software expertise to HP from their Digital Equipement Corporation acquisition a few years earlier.
HP still markets the Compaq server line-up and the OpenVMS systems (they even update them still, running them off their Integrity server line-up of Itanium systems, under their virtualization solution instead of VAX machines).
So anyone saying that HP just dumped their acquisition of Compaq is clearly clueless about what Compaq was and about what HP acquired from them beyond the Pressario line.
winner
It's as if these companies don't understand iPad has been in development for nearly a decade. They act like they can whip together a product in 18mo and be a competitor. Do some R&D people!
It's as if these companies don't understand iPad has been in development for nearly a decade. They act like they can whip together a product in 18mo and be a competitor. Do some R&D people!
You have a point here.
Still the tablet and notebooks are part of the HW line, and I was more aware of Compaq PCs in that period...
That's where I got the idea that they dump a bit of Compaq...
Wow. It's like tech companies have no capacity to learn from history. Isn't this the exact kind of sloppy thinking that contributed to Apple's rapid decline under Michael Spindler? Anyone else remember those days, when it seemed Apple was rushing to shoehorn the Mac OS into whatever hardware was just lying around, leading to some of the worst products in Apple's history (e.g., most of the Performa line.)
I truly think WebOS running on the right hardware could have been a real competitor to the iPad. It's the only mobile OS out there that looked even remotely interesting by comparison, but HP totally blew it by rushing it to market. What a missed opportunity.
I feel very sad for all the engineers and programmers who put so much hard work into WebOS, only to have idiots above them make colossal strategic blunders like this in the interests of expediency and saving a few bucks.
What I find interesting is, according to precentral, most if not all TouchPads can run at 1.5Ghz (the same spec that the 4G model was supposed to run at). Coupled with removing all the crazy logging that the unit did (as if someone left it in debugging mode) makes the unit quite responsive.
That would have left other bugs (like the crappy WebKit implementation) open for fixing. Or the weird rasterization getting fixed
Amen to that, braddah...
On pretty much the same note I still cannot figure out who and why is buying the Samsung,Motorola etc. wannabe-tablets, but perhaps that's just me an there IS something in Android...
Anyway,I am a bit sad to see HP go, I mean,the same sad as I was at my grand-grandma funeral, I knew she HAD to go,but.......you know.....
...and in my opinion..
This is what separates Apple from the rest of the world. HP was in such a tizzy to get *a* tablet, any tablet, out the door in "response" to the iPad and its success that it neglected to actually make it *good*. Apple has often been criticized as second or later to the table but when it gets there (and it might not do everything that the current items do) it does what it does well. It is better to be better than first.
This is what separates Apple from the rest of the world. HP was in such a tizzy to get *a* tablet, any tablet, out the door in "response" to the iPad and its success that it neglected to actually make it *good*. Apple has often been criticized as second or later to the table but when it gets there (and it might not do everything that the current items do) it does what it does well. It is better to be better than first.
That's actually a great idea. I think it matches HTC's style.
I can almost imagine all the big players getting their own OS one day. (instead what we have now... Android android android)
Exactly, and if webOS is let down by the hardware, HTC can surely perk it up a bit
I can imagine webOS with HTC Sense on a dual core 1.5GHz Snapdragon with 1GB RAM. That would be a proper competitor to any iOS device.
Meh, there are still other glitches that need to be worked on (like the crappy webkit implementation). The TouchPad was scheduled to run at those speeds (with that much ram too) when the 4G (WAN) version was supposed to be released. Most report that overclocking the existing version to 1.5 and stopping the excessive logging helps.Exactly, and if webOS is let down by the hardware, HTC can surely perk it up a bit
I can imagine webOS with HTC Sense on a dual core 1.5GHz Snapdragon with 1GB RAM. That would be a proper competitor to any iOS device.
HTC said no thanks.
HP Service Manager is a complete dog, with poorly designed UI and workflow (eg: the button marked "Close" does different things depending on whether you're in a Change Request or an Incident record) and grindingly slow attempt at Web 1.5-ish behaviour (eg: 20 seconds to "refresh" a single record, along with constant "has been modified since you loaded it" messages, even if you're the only one working in the record); and HP Client Configuration Management (nee: Radia) has stagnated completely, with necessary updates such as Windows 7 or Mac OS X 10.5 updates not slated to arrive until 18 months after they're needed, and a lack of understanding of modern standards (eg: no support for Apple PKG installers, poor handling of even Windows MSI installers). I wouldn't ever choose HP if I actually had a say. They might have historically been big in the enterprise, but they've lost their way in that sector as badly as they have in the mobile sector.
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